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Shifty Pony posted:Trump strikes me as a "if I can't have it nobody can" type of guy who would not actually drop out but instead just stop campaigning while fighting attempts to change the nominee. He's going to neither drop out nor campaign, he's going to stick around doing whatever he feels like and talking to anyone who'll listen without any regard for the effect it has on his election prospects or the Republican party.
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AhhYes posted:My favorite part of the FEC filing is him buying advertising from Draper-Sterling. So goddamned funny. I really hope someone digs into that place. http://drapersterling.com/
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Interesting facts in the spat of recent national polling: Hillary winning Indy's by small margins. (Democrats haven't won Indy's in, like, ever.) Hillary pulling nearly even with men. (Democrats haven't won men since like 1964) Hillary winning 70-80% of the non-white vote. (Could potentially have a higher share of the non-white vote than Obama) Hillary winning white-women. (Democrats haven't won white women since 1964)
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LeJackal posted:Edit: I need more coffee.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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CelestialScribe posted:loving lol. Just two days ago this thread was telling me I was a loving idiot for thinking Trump could win Ohio. Now a poll says theyre tied. Then  .Put your money where your mouth is and toxx yourself with the condition that Trump will perform better against Clinton than Romney or McCain did against Obama. Until then you're a walking, sentient panic attack.
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New York Magazine says that Trump has selected a VP, but not made a formal offer yet. So look for that sometime soon. Interestingly, it was part of the article on Corey Lewandowski's firing. Apparently he told the Trump kids that he would leak Trump's VP pick if they kicked him out, but he has apparently gotten over it and is back on team Trump, so that dream was smothered in the crib.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:New York Magazine says that Trump has selected a VP, but not made a formal offer yet. So look for that sometime soon. Wait, I thought the upshot of that was that Lewandowski's plan for rolling out the VP was to leak it, and that's why they fired him, not because he was threatening them?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:New York Magazine says that Trump has selected a VP, but not made a formal offer yet. So look for that sometime soon. Current theory is that the "firing" of Lewandowski was supposed to be a terrible smoke screen for the FEC filing. A terrible, terrible smoke screen. Like this video levels of bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hePrs5TyE0A Now we're just waiting for the road spikes.
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max4me posted:I am sorry I keep skimming this thread because of bernie/gun chat. I missed it. Yes. He called 3, then gave up. I agree that his ego can't handle asking for money, but I also think there's a big amount of "this isn't fun like holding the rallies is." I think Trump just wants to do things that he enjoys and hates doing anything where he's not getting attention. Rallies and tweets and interviews are all great, behind the scenes campaign work is boring.
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WampaLord posted:Yes. He called 3, then gave up. I agree that his ego can't handle asking for money, but I also think there's a big amount of "this isn't fun like holding the rallies is." FYI that's a highly dubious third-hand rumor. OTOH, it's funny to think, and we should believe it. IDK if we talked about the failure of the gun legislation this weekend since I skip straight to the end but here's a one pager on Susan Collins' compromise amendment she's going to offer later this week. zoux fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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Man, i'm I'm Hillary I might just stop attacking Trump until the RNC actually nominates him.
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zoux posted:FYI that's a highly dubious third-hand rumor. OTOH, it's funny to think, and we should believe it. I always figured that the fundraising calls were left to campaign staff anyway. But I suppose if these are the biggest of the big fish they really do expect/deserve a direct call from the candidate him/herself. Side thought though: how do you think the 22 donors who didn't get a call feel right now? I wonder if they feel snubbed enough to make them consider dropping all support? I mean these people donate to see their interests furthered but with the writing on the wall, especially after 2012 and the money sink that was the Walker and Bush primary campaigns, these guys just decide to save their money for 2018 midterms and the 2020 election.
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Dexo posted:Man, i'm I'm Hillary I might just stop attacking Trump until the RNC actually nominates him. This idea that Trump is about to be jettisoned by the Wise Maesters of the RNC is highly, highly speculative. It's not as simple as just saying "OK No" to him.
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Dexo posted:Man, i'm I'm Hillary I might just stop attacking Trump until the RNC actually nominates him. I've been thinking this too, Trump is the worst possible candidate and the Democrat's should actually wait until he's the official candidate before destroying him. On the plus side, maybe we might see a contested convention after all?
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zoux posted:This idea that Trump is about to be jettisoned by the Wise Maesters of the RNC is highly, highly speculative. It's not as simple as just saying "OK No" to him. Is it really though? I mean it guarantees they lose the election, but if they decide on just focusing on saving the downticket races it makes sense. And that's on top of just how dismal their chances for winning with Trump. And that's assuming he's even going to make it to the RNC. The man could completely meltdown before the convention even happens. Then it's less of a Cruz lead ratfucking and more of a "well we actually need to someone else because Trump has gone critical and is currently melting his way to the core of the earth."
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Nocturtle posted:I've been thinking this too, Trump is the worst possible candidate and the Democrat's should actually wait until he's the official candidate before destroying him. On the plus side, maybe we might see a contested convention after all? There's no downside. If he is the candidate, you've been hitting him the whole time and controlling the narrative. If you convince the RNC that Trump is a bad bet and they go with someone else, it will literally destroy the party. Crain posted:Is it really though? I mean it guarantees they lose the election, but if they decide on just focusing on saving the downticket races it makes sense. And that's on top of just how dismal their chances for winning with Trump. If they abandon Trump, tons of voters that were going to vote for Trump and most likely vote straight ticket R end up staying home and the downticket races are a bloodbath.
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I want Trump to be the nominee just because I can't wait for him to debate Hillary. She's great at that sort of thing, and calling Trump out in front of everyone, with his inexperience in that avenue and his short fuse... it could be an amazing thing to see.
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So apparently the real problem with American politics is that it's too darn democratic: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/07/how-american-politics-went-insane/485570/ 
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Crain posted:Is it really though? I mean it guarantees they lose the election, but if they decide on just focusing on saving the downticket races it makes sense. And that's on top of just how dismal their chances for winning with Trump. Who's the candidate?
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zoux posted:Who's the candidate? Paul Ryan
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readingatwork posted:So apparently the real problem with American politics is that it's too darn democratic: (There's a kernel of a valid point there, but seriously, this article was trash.)
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zoux posted:Who's the candidate? At that point it's literally just whatever aggregate "good" candidate you can trick into being a sacrificial lamb. So no one. Or maybe a literal ham sandwich and we can finally put that theory to the test.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Paul Ryan Paul Ryan actually aspires to be president one day. Crain posted:At that point it's literally just whatever aggregate "good" candidate you can trick into being a sacrificial lamb. Also reminder that the vaunted RNC plan to deal with Trump was to spend $150 million on Jeb Bush.
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zoux posted:Paul Ryan actually aspires to be president one day. you forget his ego and republican blinders for losing elections
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readingatwork posted:So apparently the real problem with American politics is that it's too darn democratic: that goddamned article posted:Our most pressing political problem today is that the country abandoned the establishment, not the other way around. No, it is the children who are wrong.
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zoux posted:Who's the candidate? Cruz would be best because the stink of failure would stick to him despite it not being his fault. Also, I hadn't heard about last year's budget deal falling through though I'm hardly surprised.
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readingatwork posted:So apparently the real problem with American politics is that it's too darn democratic: That's why I don't read the Atlantic the editors are at their hearts liberal oligarchist. They like the idea that most people are to stupid to be trusted and letting some good groomed elites lead the populace.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Cruz would be best because the stink of failure would stick to him despite it not being his fault. Well, probably one of the big debates within the party right now is if it's worse to lose Trump or keep him. The people worried about dumping Trump blowing up the party aren't going to be persuaded to do that for the sake of Ted Cruz. Crowsbeak posted:They like the idea that most people are to stupid to be trusted To be fair, they have read your posting history.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Cruz would be best because the stink of failure would stick to him despite it not being his fault. Cruz ain't going anywhere near the nom for this election. He's positioning himself for 2020.
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Nocturtle posted:I've been thinking this too, Trump is the worst possible candidate and the Democrat's should actually wait until he's the official candidate before destroying him. On the plus side, maybe we might see a contested convention after all? If the RNC tries to dump Trump before the convention, it's going to destroy the party. If they run Trump, they're going to lose. I think this is a good look for the DNC: force the RNC into making this impossible choice of which will result in less losses for them.
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I'm not convinced that the GOP isn't going to implode after this election regardless of if they run Trump or replace him. Trump doesn't "lose" like most people. The GOP will be left holding the bag, he'll spend months just making GBS threads on them and blaming them for everything that went wrong, hell he might even just start his own party anyways and fracture them further.
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Ze Pollack posted:No, it is the children who are wrong. Sounds like they need to go somewhere that they will be appreciated and allowed to fully prosper. Maybe some sort of Gulch, perhaps with magic cloaking technology.
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Crain posted:I'm not convinced that the GOP isn't going to implode after this election regardless of if they run Trump or replace him. Which makes the choice even more impossible, which is great.
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Crain posted:I'm not convinced that the GOP isn't going to implode after this election regardless of if they run Trump or replace him. By all rights they should but they keep finding ways to snake their way out of their richly deserved comeuppance. If this Trump poo poo was happening on the left, I'd have no idea what the best course of action was, I can make reasonable arguments for both outcomes. Which makes this exciting!!
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VitalSigns posted:The ATF doesn't even do a good job auditing FFLs now, that doesn't mean we should release them from background check requirements. Again, if abuse is widespread then stepping up audits will pay for themselves with fines. If it's not then it's not a problem, and with today's computer technology you could easily flag people for audits with suspicious behavior like someone running bogus checks on every job applicant. Old dude gun shops and small "flipper" gun show/gunbroker types are not computer savvy at all based on my experiences purchasing/transferring 5 or so firearms over the last 20 years. They can barely fill out the forms with a pen legibly in under 45 minutes and all you hear is complaining while they are even doing that.  I also think people are vastly underestimating the "flipper" market as a lobby, just look at TFR - there are scores of younger ex-military goons depending on the extra $ they make just by buying/selling guns. None of those guys want to fill out any more "paperwork." So for California the newer, younger, more "urban" stores (like in the Bay Area/LA) are on top of all that poo poo and computerized whereas in Sacramento/Fresno you guys get grumbling about filling out almost everything. I think as the old guys get phased out registration will be easier. ATF has also been gutted basically as well (on purpose) doesn't help.
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