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Chill Penguin posted:You're all wrong, War Machine has just been re-cast again. Even though it would confuse 90% of their audience and make no sense, I want Marvel to have a really avante-garde and meta movie where War Machine is played by several different actors and it is never acknowledged. Black Widow gets assigned a solo mission and then at the last second has Iron Man assigned as her partner and the mission veers off into an aerial combat situation where Tony just leaves Widow behind. Hawkeye is killed within 5 seconds in the first battle involving someone with superpowers or advanced technology. Stan Lee has a cameo as a scientist played completely straight and delivers a soliloquy about black hole mass. Hulk has to undergo a mission to save children from an orphanage without Hulking out and endangering them all. The dastardly villain rigs the orphanage to play the Liv Tyler animal cracker scene from Armageddon when Bruce enters. If he gets a boner all the children die. Aunt May gets progressively younger and hotter throughout the movie, until she is played by Kate Upton in the epilogue. Uncle Ben is played by the same actor from Spider-Man 1. It is revealed that Dr. Strange has no powers because magic existing is an absurd idea. Everyone becomes infected with a symbiote at some point.
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DC and Warner invited some press in for "we're sorry" Justice League set visits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76PNBV5TZsw http://io9.gizmodo.com/on-the-set-of-justice-league-the-movie-that-wants-to-s-1782290344 http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/21/weve-seen-some-of-the-lighter-more-fun-justice-league-movie http://nerdist.com/yes-batman-v-superman-affected-the-tone-of-justice-league/ http://uproxx.com/movies/justice-league-set-visit/ I'm sure there are other articles being posted out there too. Trying to get some good word of mouth back on their side, they invited a lot of the critical BVS press for a set visit with no embargo on what they saw. Largely all the articles are the same, since they generally all saw the same things being filmed. They seemed to be encouraged by the changes in tone they saw. Teek fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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They are finally giving film critics the most important thing: access
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quote:“The main thing we learned [on Batman v Superman] is that people don’t like to see their heroes deconstructed,” said producer Deborah Snyder. “They like seeing them in all their glory… I think what’s really great is where we’re going is kind of what the audience is wanting. We just had to take the characters from somewhere to bring them up to where they are and that was our journey.” Yes because that was the problem with batman v superman. Fans just couldn't handle their superheroes' being "deconstructed"  This movie is going to be loving terrible.
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Yeah, "deconstruction" is terrible phrase that doesn't mean anything. People didn't like BvS because it wasn't what they wanted. e: VVV yeah, wrong word BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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Watching the trailers BvS was exactly what I expected, overall bad with a handful of cool scenes
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Seems to me Batman v Superman was what a lot of people expected, which was why they didn't go see it.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Yeah, "deconstruction" is terrible phrase that doesn't mean anything. People didn't like BvS because it wasn't what they wanted. But that quote's also not saying that's the only thing it taught them.
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Monaghan posted:Yes because that was the problem with batman v superman. Fans just couldn't handle their superheroes' being "deconstructed" Well, I mean she's not wrong. At least regarding how they've handled Superman in the DCEU thus far. As an example, the guys at Red Letter Media have pointed this out several times in the past; they don't like how the MoS and BvS deconstruct the mythos of Superman into something real world and grounded, where every action he does is political and terrifying, with hard consequences, etc. They'd prefer a movie with Superman to be an escapist experience, not an experience that reminds them how lovely real life is. Plenty of people share that same sentiment because lol look at the reviews. I didn't mind the tone of MoS or BvS, but they were really in the deep end of dark. Looking forward to seeing more levity in Justice League, and everything I've read this morning seems pretty solid on paper.
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I've been watching a lot of cutthroat kitchen lately, and I'm pretty sure "deconstructed" is code for "due to circumstances I am completely unable to provide the basic structure of the requested item"
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According to TVTropes.org:quote:"Deconstruction" literally means "to take something apart." When applied to tropes or other aspects of fiction, deconstruction means to take apart a trope so as to better understand its meaning and relevance to us in Real Life. This often means pursuing a trope's inherent contradictions and the difference between how the trope appears in this one work and how it compares to other relevant tropes or ideas both in fiction and Real Life.
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TVTropes aside that quote kinda reads as "people didn't like this movie because it was too smart for them," which is a terrible attitude to have, especially in regards to a movie as profoundly dumb as BvS.
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It's actually a rpetty smart movie about power and responsibility. Besides, basically everyone got the movie, they just didn't like the message.
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MrAristocrates posted:TVTropes aside that quote kinda reads as "people didn't like this movie because it was too smart for them," which is a terrible attitude to have, especially in regards to a movie as profoundly dumb as BvS. I agree, but I also don't blame her for being so defensive/passive-aggressive. BvS wasn't the dumpster fire everyone has made it out to be. It wasn't a good movie for sure, but it wasn't complete trash either imo. teagone fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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Guess I was just being petty and dumb for wanting my movies to not have tons of plot holes. gently caress me for wanting a coherent plot and character motivations.
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BvS only "deconstructed" it's heroes in the sense that a wrecking ball "deconstructs" a derelict building
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Monaghan posted:Guess I was just being petty and dumb for wanting my movies to not have tons of plot holes and a coherent plot and character motivations. Well yeah, probably.
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I don't care if the on-set mantra is "Every person, especially Squizzle, is a dumb rear end in a top hat", the studio sends back "Squizzle it down!!" notes for everything they want simplified, and the cast and crew men's rooms have urinals with my picture in them. Just make a  movie that I like watching. My pride will somehow survive a low assessment of my intellect.
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teagone posted:I agree, but I also don't blame her for being so defensive/passive-aggressive. BvS wasn't the dumpster fire everyone has made it out to be. It wasn't a good movie for sure, but it wasn't complete trash either imo. Welcome to how I felt about Spider-man 3.
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BvS and MoS both have the misfortune of coming around after deconstruction became popular in comics and then wore out its welcome. If Snyder can say that they learned that general audiences may not want to see Batman and Superman broken down, I say good on them. Hopefully they learned more than that, but that quote gives me hope. That's a fine place to start.
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Spider-Man 3 owns EDIT: Still haven't seen BvS, but all the trailers suggested that it did that thing where Superman flies around all angry with glowy red eyes and that's like my least favorite version of Superman. And I did see MoS and hated it and didn't expect a change of course, which seems to be the case.
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Endless Mike posted:Superman flies around all angry with glowy red eyes Well sometimes he looks vaguely bummed, too. He's a multi layered character.
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I liked BvS but totally get why people would hate it. It's not for everyone. It was definitely weaker than most other comic movies this year. But I really don't understand why people hate MoS. It's so good.
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Endless Mike posted:Spider-Man 3 owns Oh, Spider-man 3 is a much better film than BvS, but people were calling it the worst movie of all time for a while.
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greatn posted:I liked BvS but totally get why people would hate it. It's not for everyone. It was definitely weaker than most other comic movies this year. Because it's not what they wanted. Just above you'll find plenty of people judging both movies based on what they wanted. Like if somebody came around and said that they're not gonna watch a movie where Aquaman looks at someone obsequiously.
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The best part of Spider-Man 3 is when you realize that all the douchey dancing is not to music. There's music because it's a movie, but Peter is just dancing like a jackass to nothing.
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greatn posted:I liked BvS but totally get why people would hate it. It's not for everyone. It was definitely weaker than most other comic movies this year. MoS had some blatant plot holes, poor dialogue, a Krypton sequence that I have never felt was necessary, and Cavill plays a dull Superman. Might not be his fault, but he is. I thought BvS was an alright movie, I'd gladly watch it on TV if it was between that and MoS. BvS had its flaws too, but less so than Man of Steel from where I was sitting. I guess on the other hand I can't understand how someone could think MoS was particularly good or great.
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Batman v. Superman was actually the movie I wanted and I have posts in multiple threads backing that up. It was, however, not a good movie, at bare minimum because the editing and pacing was absolutely atrocious and it sidelines the actual interest parts of the film in favor of a meaningless fight against a rampaging monster that avoids having to deal with any consequences. I can't particularly call it a smart film. It has creative ideas but they're so poorly executed that calling it 'smart' feels like praising it for the concepts and not what it has to say.
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Lurdiak posted:Oh, Spider-man 3 is a much better film than BvS, but people were calling it the worst movie of all time for a while. Worst superhero movie maybe, and then worse ones came out.
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Old Man Pants posted:Worst superhero movie maybe, and then worse ones came out. That doesn't seem fair. X-Men 3 was already out by the time Spidey 3 came out.
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ImpAtom posted:It was, however, not a good movie, at bare minimum because the editing and pacing was absolutely atrocious and it sidelines the actual interest parts of the film in favor of a meaningless fight against a rampaging monster that avoids having to deal with any consequences. I don't think you quite got the movie. Doomsday is the consequence of everything that's come before. He's literally Zod (Superman's great failure in MoS) resurrected by Luthor's will to destroy.
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Old Man Pants posted:Worst superhero movie maybe, and then worse ones came out. Man, not even close. Steel, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, the 89 Punisher, Superman 4, Supergirl, the mid-90s Captain America...
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Technically it wasn't even the worst Spider-Man movie.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I don't think you quite got the movie. That's fine, except Zod isn't the interesting part of the movie. There's nothing interesting about ~Zod Resurrected~ vs the actual central conflict of the film. Batman's bizarre hosed-up inability to deal with his loss of power in the face of 9/11 and his immense xenophobia that results from it and Superman's awkward mix of immense personal power and complete powerlessness against people and opinion are far more interesting and Doomsday's appearance conveniently avoids having to deal with anything meaningful from them.
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So this is now the second time that the studio or the director has basically implied that their fans are not smart enough to 'get' BvS? Maybe not have a Superman who is indistinguishable from Batman. It's kind of ridiculous to have them fight when they have almost the same view of humanity.
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ImpAtom posted:Batman v. Superman was actually the movie I wanted and I have posts in multiple threads backing that up. This is what pisses me off of some of the defenders of the film. I admit I thought the portrayalof superman and batman were terrible.But there's criticism of the movie besides it's portrayal of existing characters. Dismissing all criticism of the film as "well its not they wanted" and " I didn't get the movie" is annoying. Aphrodite posted:Technically it wasn't even the worst Spider-Man movie. I'd happily watch spider man 3 before sitting through amazing spider man 2 again.
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Yeah I don't think you get consequence, as that isn't it. Him being resurrected isn't a consequence, as the other choice, letting him live, would most likely have ended in the same manner.
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I'm not sure it's still xenophobia when aliens actually came to Earth with the goal to destroy it.
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Aphrodite posted:I'm not sure it's still xenophobia when aliens actually came to Earth with the goal to destroy it. Superman didn't and he's the primary target of Batman's ire because he is of the same race as the people who did. (It's really because Batman hates feeling powerless and is trying to justify it to himself.)
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SonicRulez posted:Cavill plays a dull Superman. Might not be his fault, but he is. Watch him in The Man from UNCLE. He's completely different from Superman.
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