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zeal posted:Hey, I just wanted to share some information I got from a unique source, with more familiarity of the issue than any of you. Go gently caress yourselves. Nice meltdown. Mr. Nice! posted:That was roger Ver. He renounced his us citizenship after he bought a passport from St. Kitts. He renounced his US citizenship because he had over 300k in back taxes. St. Kitts used to sell passports to anyone who would pay enough for them, but they got in trouble with the U.K. so now his St Kitts passport is in dubious status. He tried to apply for a visa to come to a conference. They denied it and said they can't even look at his application till his outstanding tax burden was paid. So he cut a 300k check to the IRS and tried again. The second time they denied his visa because they didn't think he would actually leave the country again once he came back in. What can one say but "lol."
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Otisburg posted:There was some bit coin baron who renounced his US citizenship to be a citizen of the Maldeves or some drat thing because of principles not unlike SovCit nonsense. I mean, he was also a criminal and probably a pedophile so I don't think his stated reasons were entirely accurate. Instead of going to that bitcoin conference he famously sent an ipad on a stick with a little wheeled base that he drove around in his stead 
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If I were slightly less scrupulous, I'd set up an expat "Government of We The People in Exile" sovereign state in the picturesque Horn of Africa and sell all inclusive packages that include travel and expedited citizensjhip renunciation. Cut to a dusty shantytown in Somalia with a stone tablet explaning why consumer protection laws are tyranny.
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Subterfrugal posted:If I were slightly less scrupulous, I'd set up an expat "Government of We The People in Exile" sovereign state in the picturesque Horn of Africa and sell all inclusive packages that include travel and expedited citizensjhip renunciation.
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Mr. Nice! posted:That was roger Ver. He renounced his us citizenship after he bought a passport from St. Kitts. He renounced his US citizenship because he had over 300k in back taxes. St. Kitts used to sell passports to anyone who would pay enough for them, but they got in trouble with the U.K. so now his St Kitts passport is in dubious status. He tried to apply for a visa to come to a conference. They denied it and said they can't even look at his application till his outstanding tax burden was paid. So he cut a 300k check to the IRS and tried again. The second time they denied his visa because they didn't think he would actually leave the country again once he came back in. Him cutting the 300k check is the best part of this story, you know an office full of immigration officials spent all day laughing about that one Subterfrugal posted:If I were slightly less scrupulous, I'd set up an expat "Government of We The People in Exile" sovereign state in the picturesque Horn of Africa and sell all inclusive packages that include travel and expedited citizensjhip renunciation. Somalia is such an interesting country, in that 50% of an-caps seem to think the only thing that Somalia needs to be successful is some enterprising middle class white people, and that the other 50% of an-caps pretend Somalia doesn't exist at all so they can continue to cling to the idea that anarchy isn't a terrible loving idea Mirthless has issued a correction as of 14:30 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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prefect posted:To be fair, there's not a whole lot of land on the planet that isn't already claimed by some country. Something like 60% of the Earth's surface isn't claimed by any country. Just because libertarians are too lazy to build a hermetically-sealed structure rated to 300 atmospheres doesn't give them the right to trespass on another's property.
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The Larch posted:Something like 60% of the Earth's surface isn't claimed by any country. Just because libertarians are too lazy to build a hermetically-sealed structure rated to 300 atmospheres doesn't give them the right to trespass on another's property. I remember some great article about some libertarians trying to found a mega-dense city on a tiny island in a river that's not technically claimed by any nation and they got a lovely diplomat to come with them when they made landing because they thought they wouldn't be arrested then, and a reporter came along basically making fun of them, and they got to the island and a boat immediately came out and was all "you're all under arrest" and the diplomat talked about his immunity and they go "ok you're all under arrest except that guy, he just has to leave." Anyone remember what I'm talking about, I can't seem to find it now and it was a pretty great read.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:... and the diplomat talked about his immunity and they go "ok you're all under arrest except that guy, he just has to leave." I really want to hear more about this story.
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There's also SA favorite Galt's Gulch.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I remember some great article about some libertarians trying to found a mega-dense city on a tiny island in a river that's not technically claimed by any nation and they got a lovely diplomat to come with them when they made landing because they thought they wouldn't be arrested then, and a reporter came along basically making fun of them, and they got to the island and a boat immediately came out and was all "you're all under arrest" and the diplomat talked about his immunity and they go "ok you're all under arrest except that guy, he just has to leave." This probably has to do with Liberland and their repeat arrests by the croatians
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Mr. Nice! posted:This probably has to do with Liberland and their repeat arrests by the croatians Yeah that sounds about right, I just remember a longform article in like, Newsweek? Rolling Stone? some place like that, that went way into it and had a great first-hand account from the reporter traveling with them that I can't seem to find...
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I remember some great article about some libertarians trying to found a mega-dense city on a tiny island in a river that's not technically claimed by any nation and they got a lovely diplomat to come with them when they made landing because they thought they wouldn't be arrested then, and a reporter came along basically making fun of them, and they got to the island and a boat immediately came out and was all "you're all under arrest" and the diplomat talked about his immunity and they go "ok you're all under arrest except that guy, he just has to leave." Still not as funny as when the Republic of Minerva was conquered by the Royal Tongan Army Marching Band, and then sank into the sea.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I remember some great article about some libertarians trying to found a mega-dense city on a tiny island in a river that's not technically claimed by any nation and they got a lovely diplomat to come with them when they made landing because they thought they wouldn't be arrested then, and a reporter came along basically making fun of them, and they got to the island and a boat immediately came out and was all "you're all under arrest" and the diplomat talked about his immunity and they go "ok you're all under arrest except that guy, he just has to leave." Captain_Maclaine posted:Still not as funny as when the Republic of Minerva was conquered by the Royal Tongan Army Marching Band, and then sank into the sea. I remember the Republic of Minerva from the Seasteading thread. I think PP is talking about something more recent. I think Peter Thiel was involved? It was like an exploratory seasteading team funded by Thiel, and their dinghies were surrounded by the Fijian Navy as soon as they made landfall on some tiny island without running water. Correction: It's even better than I thought. Libertarian Singapore in the middle of crumbling Detroit. red19fire has issued a correction as of 20:32 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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It was in fact Liberland, and this is the article I was thinking of: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/magazine/the-making-of-a-president.html?_r=0 Choice quotes: quote:Nikolajsen stood on the shore, eyeing the raft grimly. He knew that the Croatian police would seize it as part of their ongoing campaign of punitive asset forfeiture. He and the President have profoundly varying notions about what might constitute a libertarian state, but they share an appreciation for national pageantry and its props. He called out, ‘‘We’ve been losing two flags and two rubber boats a day.’’ quote:Jedlicka took the pump and reinflated the raft, which had gone soft in the dinghy. ‘‘This,’’ he said, ‘‘is how presidential work is done in the field.’ quote:‘‘We are not here to discuss with you,’’ the police official said. ‘‘Everyone will be arrested.’’ He hesitated, then pointed at the diplomat. ‘‘Except you. Your diplomatic passport protects you. We will inform our minister, and he will inform your home state.’’ The policeman seemed glad to be rid of these sentences.
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prefect posted:To be fair, there's not a whole lot of land on the planet that isn't already claimed by some country. Ah, but there are plenty of countries where government is useless, broken, or drat near nonexistent that they could go harbor up in and play rebel. Hell, send'em to Brazil to be their own little favela gang. The place is almost virgin territory for lax government oversight to anything including basic human needs and sanitation/safety. Mr. Nice! posted:That was roger Ver. He renounced his us citizenship after he bought a passport from St. Kitts. He renounced his US citizenship because he had over 300k in back taxes. St. Kitts used to sell passports to anyone who would pay enough for them, but they got in trouble with the U.K. so now his St Kitts passport is in dubious status. He tried to apply for a visa to come to a conference. They denied it and said they can't even look at his application till his outstanding tax burden was paid. So he cut a 300k check to the IRS and tried again. The second time they denied his visa because they didn't think he would actually leave the country again once he came back in. Good. gently caress him. Go live your dreams, Parallel Paraplegic posted:It was in fact Liberland, and this is the article I was thinking of: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/magazine/the-making-of-a-president.html?_r=0 Truly a prospering nation to be admired. In the future in their hall of records will be the rubber rafts on display with a plaque underneath reading "Above is the ship our forefathers arrived on, the Dandelion" SocketWrench has issued a correction as of 14:54 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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red19fire posted:Correction: It's even better than I thought. Libertarian Singapore in the middle of crumbling Detroit. That's beautiful. You know, ignoring they'd need to make use of every inch of land and then some, need some sort of harbor for their importing/exporting, and the fact that it's pretty much surrounded by territory where their shipping is dependent on good standing with at least one major power and taxes to pass (you know, not to mention water, electric, and other utilities that would have to be bought from/supplied by a foreign power), This plan could work.... I wonder if they think a major manufacturing factory could be the size of a small house or that a sewage treatment plant would be the size of a refridgerator box because lol if they think Belle Isle would be anything but a few buildings to work in and a few to live in. That is if they just don't go all futuristic 1900's and just make everyone live in the factory too *takes monorail tour on a dual rail train* Ayup, no utilities figured in, but loving high rise buildings all over (certainly the best for manufacturing goods is the top floor) because foundations aren't an issue and no residences of any stripe. One lane roads abound...this plan can't fail! How long before pornography becomes its main export? SocketWrench has issued a correction as of 15:18 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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SocketWrench posted:That's beautiful. You know, ignoring they'd need to make use of every inch of land and then some, need some sort of harbor for their importing/exporting, and the fact that it's pretty much surrounded by territory where their shipping is dependent on good standing with at least one major power and taxes to pass (you know, not to mention water, electric, and other utilities that would have to be bought from/supplied by a foreign power), This plan could work.... They'll be completely reliant on Detroit Public Works for basic functioning, just like they are now. Also, they'll have to import food and access would be hampered by ICE which has a major presence in Detroit. Not to mention other agencies because it would be seen rightfully as a way to smuggle things in and out of the States due to its location. Despite being an island, it is in US Waters so anything coming to and from it will still be subject to US law, no matter how independent they want to believe they are. Yeah, this ain't going to work.
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:They'll be completely reliant on Detroit Public Works for basic functioning, just like they are now. Also, they'll have to import food and access would be hampered by ICE which has a major presence in Detroit. Not to mention other agencies because it would be seen rightfully as a way to smuggle things in and out of the States due to its location. Despite being an island, it is in US Waters so anything coming to and from it will still be subject to US law, no matter how independent they want to believe they are. Digging into their page, they want to be a US commonwealth. I guess Guam and its lack of labor regulations is too far away.
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hobbesmaster posted:Digging into their page, they want to be a US commonwealth. I guess Guam and its lack of labor regulations is too far away. The thing they're pursuing, and the problem of labor rights, is that they will be "unincorporated"- meaning beyond a set of (not well-defined) rights, the constitution doesn't apply. Guam is an unincorporated territory, but not a commonwealth- they're actually less integrated with US laws than a commonwealth. For example, Puerto Rico is considered a commonwealth, for example. Commonwealths aren't well-defined legally, but the basic idea is that it has more independent government, but at the same time has to be run in a way that's more parallel to that of a state, frequently in exchange for the extension of additional US legal benefits. Very nebulously (because there's not much law or evidence or history on the subject) commonwealths are kinda like a potential transitional step to statehood. The problem with that is that statehood requires incorporation, and commonwealths and other unincorporated holdings usually can't economically sustain themselves if the full US legal system applied to them. So commonwealths they remain. Mini-Detroit is going to give Puerto Rico a run for its money as the recordholder for bad governance by a US holding, though. I hope they keep going. Discendo Vox has issued a correction as of 16:44 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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hobbesmaster posted:Digging into their page, they want to be a US commonwealth. I guess Guam and its lack of labor regulations is too far away. Guam also has a lot of non-whites. 
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Elephant Ambush posted:Guam also has a lot of non-whites. Yeah but they're asian so they're One Of The Good Ones.
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Mirthless posted:Somalia is such an interesting country, in that 50% of an-caps seem to think the only thing that Somalia needs to be successful is some enterprising middle class white people, and that the other 50% of an-caps pretend Somalia doesn't exist at all so they can continue to cling to the idea that anarchy isn't a terrible loving idea The Wikipedia entry for "Economy of Somalia" used to be hilarious free-market apologia that purposely distorted sources to make it look like the free market was thriving there. I think it's mostly cleaned up now, but if you use the Wayback Machine and go to January of 2015 you'll find gems like this one: quote:The World Bank reports that electricity is now in large part supplied by local businesses, using generators purchased abroad. By dividing Somalia's cities into specific quarters, the private sector has found a manageable method of providing cities with electricity. A customer is given a menu of choices for electricity tailored to his or her needs, such as evenings only, daytime only, 24 hour-supply or charge per lightbulb. Literally a dude with some gas generators looking at the setting sun and deciding it's time to unplug the "Daytime" powerstrip and plug in the "Nighttime" power strip.
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cumshitter posted:The Wikipedia entry for "Economy of Somalia" used to be hilarious free-market apologia that purposely distorted sources to make it look like the free market was thriving there. I think it's mostly cleaned up now, but if you use the Wayback Machine and go to January of 2015 you'll find gems like this one: Libertarians are a source of equal parts anger, comedy, and pity.
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These loving idiots can't do anything without thumbing their nose and starting a loving fight. Get a sympathetic rear end in a top hat in Burns or start a dumb kick-starter for idiots and build a little dumb memorial and reflecting pond for LaVoy "Definitely not a racist" "Cross Draw McDraw" Finicdumb on some land somebody owns. Instead you have two loving idiots who are driven to a frothing idiotic rage at the idea of anyone with brown skin cashing a public assistance check doing literally nothing in the Forest. In-loving-credible.
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Goodpancakes posted:These loving idiots can't do anything without thumbing their nose and starting a loving fight. Get a sympathetic rear end in a top hat in Burns or start a dumb kick-starter for idiots and build a little dumb memorial and reflecting pond for LaVoy "Definitely not a racist" "Cross Draw McDraw" Finicdumb on some land somebody owns. Instead you have two loving idiots who are driven to a frothing idiotic rage at the idea of anyone with brown skin cashing a public assistance check doing literally nothing in the Forest. In-loving-credible. They are so desperate to always be fighting something. It doesn't matter who, how, or why, but they must forever battle the entire world at the drop of a hat. They have such enormous insecurity that mindless aggression is the only way they can consider themselves to have any value.
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Lets erect a statue to the "Nameless Officer" on some randos cattle ranch, in memory of how he slayed a violent fringe lunatic who hated our government and way of life. Really drive home the point by having a cowardly looking devil in a cowboy hat pleading for his life as the Nameless Officer aims his gun.
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I for one support a memorial for the brave cop who ended known terrorist Lavoy Finnicum
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The tarp of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of rednecks and idiotsquote:A Utah militia leader with ties to the militant killed during the Bundy-led armed standoff in Oregon was charged Wednesday with allegedly trying to detonate homemade bombs at a Bureau of Land Management building in Arizona to escalate a decades-old struggle over public lands... 
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I think the thing I appreciate most about the article is that it just refers to Finicum as a "militant". Not a rancher or cowboy.
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"Stearly suggested Finicum’s supporters pursue the Forest Service’s “Plant-A-Tree” option, which allows donors to plant seedlings in honor of a loved one. Fisher scoffed at that option. Those trees wouldn’t be planted where Finicum was shot, and he dislikes that the seedlings would be planted via a federal government program. The men said they won’t leave until a permanent memorial is in place at the site. They said others will take their place when their stay limits are up. " Here's a way you can place a permanent memorial. "gently caress you, no trees for blood! No government programs for memorial!" These guys are loving retarded. Course that's been established already. If I had a good offroad vehicle and lived nearby I'd purposely run that poo poo over whenever the chance arose.
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