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Jabor posted:So we've basically come full-circle back to the "no evasion, no way to protect itself, no value if it dies right away" reason people thought it was underwhelming when it first got spoiled? No. It's still the best at what it does. Beats down to close for fair decks. Those decks just happen to be bad right now.
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# ? Jun 20, 2016 04:24 |
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AgentSythe posted:Man, if only there were a deck that played both of these... Speaking of moats and rest in peaces, I might be picking up the pieces for enchantress soon. That's gonna be all sorts of fun.
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# ? Jun 20, 2016 18:15 |
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Goyf is a really good card in a vacuum but the big hitters in the meta right now all work around it. The best Delver is BURg and has pyro and angler as better critters, Miracles doesn't run goyf, Eldrazi stand up against Goyf really well, etc. Goyf is just a really great beater. We have another one of those now in Angler, and legacy, with few exceptions, has always demanded that creatures bring a lot more value than power/toughness to the table. The fact that it's gone on so long as The Legacy Creature is testament to how good it is, but he relies on the other 56 cards to make Be a Big Beater good. Legacy is a format where there are entire decks built around amazing creatures that are bad legacy decks (Nic Fit) so when you say Goyf isn't the best in legacy any more it's not like that's saying goyf is terrible. Legacy is like 3 good decks (Miracles, Best Delver Variant At The Moment, Rotating Third Option) and 700 terrible decks, and Goyf is still amazing in all but 3 decks at the moment.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 00:31 |
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Let's talk about the objectively best eternal format, which is Pauper What is everyone doing in pauper? I'm not particularly revolutionary and have been trying out elvish vanguard, shaving a few visionaries and sometimes a priest of titania. It has been Pretty Good but just making a big idiot isn't that interesting. i've also tried making UG Canadian Threshold work, and as sweet of a card as Temporal Spring is, it is not going well
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:07 |
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Isn't pauper currently being broken by peregrine drake
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:18 |
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I was having a good time trying out Thraben Inspector and Angelic Purge in the various Skyfisher/Kuldotha/Kitty builds after SOI. At this point I kind of want to just wait and see how badly Peregrine Drake messes up the format before stepping into anymore leagues.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:19 |
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AgentSythe posted:Let's talk about the objectively best eternal format, which is Pauper Mostly not playing it because Peregrine Drake is ruining it. UG really needs a land that has island and forest types so you can get an island with with Land Grant. I've been trying to brew something up that's close to old school Gro lists with like 12 lands but it really badly needs a good threat and the aforementioned dual.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:26 |
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Sigma-X posted:Goyf is a really good card in a vacuum but the big hitters in the meta right now all work around it. The best Delver is BURg and has pyro and angler as better critters, Miracles doesn't run goyf, Eldrazi stand up against Goyf really well, etc. Lands and ANT are both still T1 legacy decks. I agree with the rest of what you're saying though.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:37 |
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suicidesteve posted:Mostly not playing it because Peregrine Drake is ruining it. Trop should be a common, imo. easily the worst blue dual i haven't really been playing online, just in paper with some bros. does peregrine drake really ruin the format? needing to have five lands already do do mnemonic wall/ghostly flicker poo poo seems a lot worse than cloud of faeries
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:04 |
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AgentSythe posted:Trop should be a common, imo. easily the worst blue dual It doesn't need bounce lands, Familiars, or mulitple colors and Peregrine Drake, Archaeomancer, Ghostly Flicker is infinite with no other help.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:13 |
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suicidesteve posted:It doesn't need bounce lands, Familiars, or mulitple colors and Peregrine Drake, Archaeomancer, Ghostly Flicker is infinite with no other help. oh right. ghostly flicker is two things lol
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:16 |
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AgentSythe posted:Let's talk about the objectively best eternal format, which is Pauper I'm not doing poo poo in Pauper but I really should because my store does a Pauper FNM once a month and it's a fuckload cheaper to get into than everything else. I'm halfway to an Izzet Blitz deck except people are telling me it's bad? I also have a bunch of Pauper-eligible Goblins and could maybe come up with a list that uses them but I've been too lazy.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:11 |
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okay here's the list the 8-whack guys some lightning bolts i think goblin grenade? some goblins
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:14 |
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Faeries was my deck, looks like its time to load up mtgo again.C-Euro posted:I'm not doing poo poo in Pauper but I really should because my store does a Pauper FNM once a month and it's a fuckload cheaper to get into than everything else. I'm halfway to an Izzet Blitz deck except people are telling me it's bad? I also have a bunch of Pauper-eligible Goblins and could maybe come up with a list that uses them but I've been too lazy.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:18 |
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Why should I be playing City of Solitude over Defense Grid in ANT?
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:22 |
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Because sometimes you don't want to wait for them to tap out for something before going off.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:30 |
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Jabor posted:Because sometimes you don't want to wait for them to tap out for something before going off. Ok but does that outweigh the downside of 2 vs 3 mana and having to fetch a Trop vs Wasteland decks?
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:32 |
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maybe how about you play some games and find out
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:35 |
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mcmagic posted:Why should I be playing City of Solitude over Defense Grid in ANT? Stops your opponent from using top (relevant with counterbalance and with miracles floating countermagic on top of their deck to protect it from discard).
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 04:16 |
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Rogue0071 posted:Stops your opponent from using top (relevant with counterbalance and with miracles floating countermagic on top of their deck to protect it from discard). Yup, thats the reason. I didn't realize it stops activated abilities.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 04:32 |
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The most interesting thing about City of Solitude is that it was illustrated by the same artist that did several Animorphs book covers.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 04:48 |
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Oh god City of Solitude is on the reserve list, better get a few copies now before it pulls a Moat. Also it was Visions only? Edit:
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 05:33 |
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So I'd like to talk about a decklist today. Specifically, this decklist: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/420679#online I'm mainly interested in sideboard choices and the Jund matchup. Why run Linvala in the board when Pod isn't a card anymore? For the mirror/Infect? What can this deck do to not get pasted by Jund? What decks are Eidolon and Teeg being brought in against (Eidolon especially, isn't Storm dead)? Is the deck really so reliant on the combo that Twisted Image is a good sideboard card for Spellskite?
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 05:45 |
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AgentSythe posted:Let's talk about the objectively best eternal format, which is Pauper I'm running a grixis or 4 color (depending on the win con I want) teachings/skred control list. I really really like curse of the bloody tome vs the peregrine Drake list in particular, since they can't combo you if you mill their 1 guy that mills. Also it's just sweet in general. If I'm playing 4 color, it's for sprout spawning to have a win con I can tutor for. Either way, I think I want to be playing a boatload of removal, some crypt incursions and winning with jaces erasure or curse of the bloody tome.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 06:51 |
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TheKingofSprings posted:Why run Linvala in the board when Pod isn't a card anymore? For the mirror/Infect? What can this deck do to not get pasted by Jund? What decks are Eidolon and Teeg being brought in against (Eidolon especially, isn't Storm dead)? Is the deck really so reliant on the combo that Twisted Image is a good sideboard card for Spellskite? Pod is still a deck it just doesn't play Pod plus she stops Spellskites, probably nothing, Teeg hoses Tron a little, Eidolon stops Storm and slows down decks like infect and burn, Twisted Image is reasonable against Hierarch/BoP decks too.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 07:09 |
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TheKingofSprings posted:So I'd like to talk about a decklist today. Specifically, this decklist: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/420679#online Eidolon stops Storm, Ad Nauseum, Grishoalbrand, cheaper Infect blowouts. Could slow down Control (in a sense of letting them draw 3 and then killing the rest of their turn.)
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 08:33 |
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TheKingofSprings posted:So I'd like to talk about a decklist today. Specifically, this decklist: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/420679#online Linvala is still great- stops abzan company combo, stops arcbound ravager, steel overseer, and spellskite, stops griselbrand and borborygmos, stops opposing knights, stops elf players. I play one in the sideboard of my junk deck and it's been great. Teeg is for Tron, abzan company, and Scapeshift. That deck can win just fine without the combo. I actually played against Kassis last round of day 1 at GP Charlotte and we ended up playing grindy beatdown games because I spent my removal keeping him off combo. Most of the cards in the deck are good individually. Seems fine against jund too thanks to being able to grind, company is great against jund and so are cards like voice.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 13:22 |
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mcmagic posted:Why should I be playing City of Solitude over Defense Grid in ANT? Why would you be playing either of these in ANT? Do you have a list? I've only ever seen Defense Grid in Vintage Storm. That and also Serenity for the lists that splash white instead of red in the side. I just can't imagine either of those played in ANT....not sure what you'd cut for them.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 16:07 |
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RoflcopterPilot posted:Why would you be playing either of these in ANT? Do you have a list? I've only ever seen Defense Grid in Vintage Storm. That and also Serenity for the lists that splash white instead of red in the side. I just can't imagine either of those played in ANT....not sure what you'd cut for them. It's relatively new tech. Paul Cheon was playing it at GP Columbus and in some of his ANT videos.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 17:11 |
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RoflcopterPilot posted:Why would you be playing either of these in ANT? Do you have a list? I've only ever seen Defense Grid in Vintage Storm. That and also Serenity for the lists that splash white instead of red in the side. I just can't imagine either of those played in ANT....not sure what you'd cut for them. I have had city of solitude played against me out of ANT. Seems like you could swap it in for Xantid Swarm - it has a similar effect, isn't vulnerable to creature removal (bolt often stays in vs storm, and as miracles I leave in some plow/terminus/staticasters for empty the warrens, dark confidant, and xantid swarm), works the turn you cast it, and is stronger vs miracles. It is significantly more expensive, though, so not all upside.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 17:37 |
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L0cke17 posted:I'm running a grixis teachings/skred control list. i need a list immediately i'm assuming it shaves some countermagic for bolts and skreds?
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 18:35 |
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AgentSythe posted:i need a list immediately This is where I'm at currently. Considerations for changes Im thinking now: 1 more mill card, and another crypt incursion, or blockers somewhere. When I was playing sprout spawning (which I cut because dispel is too common nowadays to rely on it) it was great for making blockers, but this list leans heavily on removal then eventually resolving a crypt incursion halfway through milling the opponents deck to stay alive. its weak to mono-black, but is otherwise decent in most matchups. 4 Evolving Wilds 3 Izzet Boilerworks 8 Snow-Covered Island 2 Snow-Covered Mountain 2 Snow-Covered Swamp 4 Terramorphic Expanse 4 Accumulated Knowledge 4 Brainstorm 1 Chainer's Edict 4 Counterspell 1 Crypt Incursion 2 Curse of the Bloody Tome 1 Diabolic Edict 2 Dispel 1 Echoing Truth 1 Electrickery 1 Jace's Erasure 3 Lightning Bolt 1 Logic Knot 3 Mana Leak 2 Mystical Teachings 1 Pyroblast 2 Skred 2 Staggershock 1 Terminate Sideboard: 1 Circle of Protection: Red 1 Diabolic Edict 1 Dispel 1 Electrickery 1 Hydroblast 1 Muddle the Mixture 2 Pyroblast 2 Relic of Progenitus 1 Serene Heart 2 Shattering Pulse 1 Skred 1 Snow-Covered Plains edit: I also have been going back and forth on muddle the mixture in the main. I may go for 1-3 drift of phantasms for decent blockers and being able to tutor for crypt incursion. L0cke17 fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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Are there any legacy decks you can build 100% out of promos? I think the closest I've found is d&t.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 20:05 |
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mcmagic posted:It's relatively new tech. Paul Cheon was playing it at GP Columbus and in some of his ANT videos. Rogue0071 posted:I have had city of solitude played against me out of ANT. Seems like you could swap it in for Xantid Swarm - it has a similar effect, isn't vulnerable to creature removal (bolt often stays in vs storm, and as miracles I leave in some plow/terminus/staticasters for empty the warrens, dark confidant, and xantid swarm), works the turn you cast it, and is stronger vs miracles. It is significantly more expensive, though, so not all upside. I've always thought both of those would be way too slow and expensive for Legacy. City isn't that bad if you're playing Trop + Bayou (I run the 15 lands with both personally) but I still can't imagine losing anything to fit in 2-3 more cards in the side. I guess I'll have to watch the Cheon videos and see how they ended up. I just feel like we already have the tools to beat any deck we'd ever want Grid/Solitude against. I don't even have Xantid in the side and took out Carpet of Flowers a while back too. Shrug.
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The March Hare posted:Are there any legacy decks you can build 100% out of promos? I think the closest I've found is d&t. I like the way this guy thinks. I was dangerously close to a promo jund deck.
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TheKingofSprings posted:So I'd like to talk about a decklist today. Specifically, this decklist: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/420679#online Linvala is also good against Bant Eldrazi and affinity. Eidolon is good against Ad Nauseam as well. With Pridemages to answer Phyrexian Unlife, you can keep them off the combo completely. Usually against Jund the Company/Chord decks sideboard out as many mana dorks as possible. You're not going to combo off agianst jund and those cards are really bad in a game that's about attrition or topdecking. You replace them with anything in your board that you think might be more relevant than a 0-power creature.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 20:45 |
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little munchkin posted:Eidolon is good against Ad Nauseam as well. With Pridemages to answer Phyrexian Unlife, you can keep them off the combo completely. Prevents cascade into Living End as well. Or Restore Balance if someone is playing that for some reason.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 20:50 |
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kirtar posted:Prevents cascade into Living End as well. Or Restore Balance if someone is playing that for some reason. I played against a restore balance guy with my modern dredge deck that had, at the time, 3 ancient grudge and 3 nature's claim in the sideboard, and G2 was basically me playing a land destruction deck, blowing up borderpost after borderpost every turn while he was stuck on 1 real land. It was hilarious.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 21:34 |
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RoflcopterPilot posted:I've always thought both of those would be way too slow and expensive for Legacy. City isn't that bad if you're playing Trop + Bayou (I run the 15 lands with both personally) but I still can't imagine losing anything to fit in 2-3 more cards in the side. I guess I'll have to watch the Cheon videos and see how they ended up. I just feel like we already have the tools to beat any deck we'd ever want Grid/Solitude against. I don't even have Xantid in the side and took out Carpet of Flowers a while back too. Shrug. I have never played storm so idk. When it was cast against me I force of willed it.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 21:35 |
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Defense Grid and City of Solitude are basically Duresses that are immune to Flusterstorm, and that you want to play early rather than holding for your critical turn like you do with discard spells. We ran two D.Grid in our ANT deck's side for a while and against control matchups you would just swap them in for two of the duress effects. They avoid creature kill that people bring in / keep in for Xantid Swarm and they are very hard to remove as most people do not keep a lot of artifact/enchantment hate in their deck. I can see City potentially being preferable in the Miracles matchup as they don't have Abrupt Decay and they can't flip into a lot of 3s and they definitely didn't bring/keep Wear//Tear against your 4 LEDs.
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