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Xae posted:Chronic Conditions are a bitch. They're the primary driver of the increases as well as, according to the CDC, about 85% of medical costs in general. You can't be serious. The problem is for-profit medicine and not the patients, you dingbat.
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zoux posted:No it is, the Dems voted against Republican bullshit weak rear end measures and trying to spin that like "Dem's are actually just as against gun control as Republicans, and did I say actually" is loving lying. who said actually? They're not just as against gun control, and I never said that. I will, however, say it's lovely that they voted against the (admittedly weak!) Republican measures. Perfect, enemy of the good, and all that. CommieGIR posted:You can't be serious. The problem is for-profit medicine and not the patients, you dingbat. Part of it, sure, but to pretend that medical costs are not quickly growing to unsustainable rates in many countries with UHC because of EOL care and chronic conditions is... just not accurate in any way shape or form.
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Deteriorata posted:Perhaps the actual text of the amendments made a difference. Don't pretend that the Feinstein amendment wasn't hot garbage.
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zoux posted:No it is, the Dems voted against Republican bullshit weak rear end measures and trying to spin that like "Dem's are actually just as against gun control as Republicans, and did I say actually" is loving lying. They had blatant poison pills like reversing diplomatic relations with Cuba and defunding the ACA iirc.
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Necc0 posted:Also had blatant poison pills like reversing diplomatic relations with Cuba and defunding the ACA iirc.  perfect is the enemy of the good
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Necc0 posted:They had blatant poison pills like reversing diplomatic relations with Cuba and defunding the ACA iirc. Is that the case? I didn't see anything of that sort when I looked at news coverage. If so, that obviously changes the calculus.
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Necc0 posted:They had blatant poison pills like reversing diplomatic relations with Cuba and defunding the ACA iirc. Do you have a source for that?
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Xae posted:Chronic Conditions are a bitch. They're the primary driver of the increases as well as, according to the CDC, about 85% of medical costs in general. Sure, why not? Let's see some numbers to back up your claim.
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The Iron Rose posted:who said actually? The republican measures wouldn't have done poo poo. All they would have done is implement something that wouldn't have had the funding/would be impossible to enforce. So when nothing changes the GOP/NRA can say hey we implemented gun control legislation and it didn't work see guys we told you. And like stated above that's not even mentioning the poison pills in it.
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The Iron Rose posted:Is that the case? I didn't see anything of that sort when I looked at news coverage. If so, that obviously changes the calculus. I love that, in 2016, you're still under the impression that the Republican party is acting in good faith.
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theflyingorc posted:The Book of Mormon being an addition to scripture is really, really antithetical to the Evangelical position. Adding anything onto the Bible is a problem. Which I always found pretty hilarious. So much of their worldview is based on completely extra-biblical writing. The rapture, the idea of dispensations, the idea of a young Earth; just as examples. It's like they believe that adding things to the Bible only counts if it's written with thees and thous.
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Xae posted:Chronic Conditions are a bitch. They're the primary driver of the increases as well as, according to the CDC, about 85% of medical costs in general. Nope. The primary driver of medical cost increases is the unchecked and unregulated pricing done by hospitals. Yes, Chronic Conditions are the biggest category treated, but that in itself only guarantees a repeat "consumer".
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Apparently Ryan cut off the cspan cameras? $10 says a Republican short on reelection funds nicked them when no one was looking and is currently on their way to the nearest pawn shop.
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WampaLord posted:I love that, in 2016, you're still under the impression that the Republican party is acting in good faith. I am by no means doing so, I've just literally not seen a source for the poison pills anywhere and this is the first I've heard about it. Dexo posted:The republican measures wouldn't have done poo poo. All they would have done is implement something that wouldn't have had the funding/would be impossible to enforce. So when nothing changes the GOP/NRA can say hey we implemented gun control legislation and it didn't work see guys we told you. the one that simply gave 72 hours for a judge to block a purchase by someone on the terrorist watchlist, no. but grassley's amendment wasn't that terrible iirc.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:yeah it's scripted and boring and full of easily refutable bullshit claims Do you think Manafort went full on, late term Hilter, and has started drugging Donald's morning coffee? [not serious in case someone hasn't had their morning cup of drug coffee]
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WampaLord posted:I love that, in 2016, you're still under the impression that the Republican party is acting in good faith. You can't make accusations like that without evidence. I assume that you have some?
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pacmania90 posted:You can't make accusations like that without evidence. I assume that you have some? Hell I can make worse accusations than that without evidence.
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Republicans are all actually just rat kings wearing human skin suits.
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Talmonis posted:Nope. The primary driver of medical cost increases is the unchecked and unregulated pricing done by hospitals. Yes, Chronic Conditions are the biggest category treated, but that in itself only guarantees a repeat "consumer". Not coincidentally, chronic conditions are the biggest pain in the rear end for health insurance. It's a lot easier to drop someone from care when they come to you out of nowhere with fifty thousand dollars worth of claims for something new; when they go from needing five thousand every year for their chronic condition to a hundred thousand, it's a lot trickier to justify "well, uh, we did another look at your policy and it turns out we don't have to pay for this, bye, have fun." Not that it stops some insurers from trying, mind you, but that's one of the few rescission cases you can trust some lawyer will take on just on the promise they'll get a cut of the settlement.
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zoux posted:Republicans are all actually just rat kings wearing human skin suits. That's a filthy lie, Ted Cruz is a mass of squirrels, not rats wearing a human skin suit.
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pacmania90 posted:You can't make accusations like that without evidence. I assume that you have some? You mean about those amendments in particular or my general statement that the GOP doesn't act in good faith?
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dr_rat posted:$10 says a Republican short on reelection funds nicked them when no one was looking and is currently on their way to the nearest pawn shop. Trump's got a guy who pays top dollar for 'lightly used' electronics
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duz posted:That's a filthy lie, Ted Cruz is a mass of squirrels, not rats wearing a human skin suit. I was going to go with a seething pile of centipedes and botflies, but ymmv.
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WampaLord posted:You mean about those amendments in particular or my general statement that the GOP doesn't act in good faith? I mean about the amendments. I just looked at 3 articles at random on Google news about this story, and none of them mentioned any "poison pills".
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Ze Pollack posted:Not coincidentally, chronic conditions are the biggest pain in the rear end for health insurance. Chronic conditions is the main area my company is targeting for better pre-treatment, to lessen the impact later on down the road. Diabetes prevention, Obesity, high cholesterol, etc. They even have incentive programs for people who improve their levels (resulting in a decreased deductible and such).
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pacmania90 posted:I was under the impression that the Democrats voted against just as many gun control amendments yesterday as the Republicans. It seems really disingenuous to pin all the blame on Republicans in light of that fact. The Iron Rose posted:it's actually not for once It's because the Republicans packed their amendments with tons of riders for things as diverse and unrelated to gun control as selectively defunding certain NASA programs.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:It's because the Republicans packed their amendments with tons of riders for things as diverse and unrelated to gun control as selectively defunding certain NASA programs. Is that so?
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Electric Bugaloo posted:It's because the Republicans packed their amendments with tons of riders for things as diverse and unrelated to gun control as selectively defunding certain NASA programs. Don't look like it: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/votes.htm But still to pretend that the Democrats voting against bullshit watered down Republican worthless gun control amendments means that they don't support gun control is idiocy or trolling.
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pacmania90 posted:Is that so? Yes, they repeatedly poison pilled every bill.
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Dexo posted:The Let's not act like the Democrats were acting in good faith. Using secret lists, denying constitutionally protected rights without due process to people, this is some evil stuff. That's the facist kind of garbage that you'd expect them to oppose.
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CommieGIR posted:Yes, they repeatedly poison pilled every bill. Yeah I was reading it wrong, here's the action on one of the R measures. https://www.congress.gov/amendment/114th-congress/senate-amendment/4749/text/2164030
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