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I loving exploded on some idiots at the provost marshals office because they were trying to delay my final out by making me sign some bullshit with my CO, who was loving with me after my SSG punched me in the face when I told him he was a piece of poo poo for making a fake NCOER saying how I was a bad soldier and all this bullshit, basically talking poo poo and putting it on the 1SGs door, approved by the 1SG and CO. I was charged with "assault" for defending myself, and the paperwork I had to get signed by my CO was about whatever he was going to punish me with.....despite leaving in a week. This fuckhead MP SFC tried to talk to me about doing my duty and honor or some loving bullshit. I had a week to get out. I just said ROGER, walked the gently caress out, and the civvie handing out DD214s cut me some slack and just got me the gently caress out without dealing with anymore bullshit. BTW all this happened on my terminal leave, I was staying in the area so yeah. I was clearing on terminal because I was constantly being hosed with and not allowed to loving clear when I should have been doing it before terminal. IG just threw their hands up in the air saying nothing they were doing was wrong. So gently caress them too. gently caress the army, and I hope everyone in my old unit above me is loving dead. Mike-o fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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I really am in some kind of magical unicorn unit... my NCOIC, warrant, CO, and 1SG all agreed to flex my schedule so I can have some 3-day weekends off to go back to my parents' to help out with whatever they need doing. Repairing fences, mowing the lawn, painting stuff, etc. When I tried to thank one of them for it, he said, "Don't thank me, it's just the right thing to do," but all I could think of is that I'm not used to anyone in the Army doing the right thing.
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Jun 22, 2016 22:23
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Soulex posted:Man, gently caress this lovely rear end day. We've said it before, but once more. Don't go to IG unless you know the regulation or policy he/she/it is violating. IG doesn't care about hurt feelings. They care about enforcing law. Also, log into your IPERMS and/or print/bring copies of your awards to the DD214 thing. The DD214 is the literal hand of god when it comes to proving you have something. When you get there they may not have all your awards on the form and unless you immediately pull out the paperwork you brought with you they'll hold it up while you go get proof, or you get a DD214 without all your stuff on it.
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Jun 22, 2016 22:23
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Aranan posted:I'm not used to anyone in the Army doing the right thing. Sooo....we haven't had a thread title change in awhile.
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Jun 22, 2016 22:30
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It works on so many levels.
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spacetoaster posted:We've said it before, but once more. Don't go to IG unless you know the regulation or policy he/she/it is violating. IG doesn't care about hurt feelings. They care about enforcing law. Yeah, like I said Top recommended it. It's against the NCO creed and possibly breaks a regulation by showing favoritism or "hazing" or whatever because he didn't like me. I'm entirely too lazy to look it up or care about it unless it falls in my lap. 1SG already said that if he needs to he can submit a new award and just ask me to come in off of terminal at some point to get it. I can't get to my DD214 until I get my DA31 signed. Same with my clearing papers.
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Jun 22, 2016 22:52
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My 1SG in my medical holding company wouldn't clear me from the barracks because I got into a scuffle with the CQ NCO weeks prior about refusing to clean up the barracks laundry room. On a saturday, when I was zonked out on my loving medications and hadn't even lived in that barracks for longer than a day. So I just took the duty roster memo off the bulletin board and traced his signature on my clearing forms and off I went. edit: oh and they lost my DA31 when I went to sign out on terminal. I told the staff duty NCO whatever, I'm leaving and I'll forfeit the pay. He screamed at me that I can't do that as I got into a cab for the airport. I still got paid, no issues on anybody's end.
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Jun 22, 2016 22:53
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Soulex posted:Yeah, like I said Top recommended it. It's against the NCO creed and possibly breaks a regulation by showing favoritism or "hazing" or whatever because he didn't like me. I'm entirely too lazy to look it up or care about it unless it falls in my lap. 1SG already said that if he needs to he can submit a new award and just ask me to come in off of terminal at some point to get it. Does your commander have an open door policy? You're getting out so just tell him you'd like to use it and tell him what's up.
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Jun 22, 2016 23:04
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I feel like I made out like a bandit when clearing. 60 days of terminal leave (thanks to hooking up squad leaders who were staying behind on block leave with cases of beer to make my leave form disappear) and a relatively painless clearing process at Benning. Well, other than a guy from my platoon smearing a piece of cake all over my face. But I got back at him by putting some fish in his barracks room vents five days before he got back.
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Jun 22, 2016 23:04
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Soulex I really feel you on the principle of the ETS award, but dude, in this short of time you're going to get maybe an AAM. Is it really worth going through a bunch of poo poo for an AAM? No one will push up an ARCOM or anything higher to Bde this close to wire and not get yelled at for looking like a bunch of dumb asses.
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Jun 22, 2016 23:06
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My dad came back from a tour in Vietnam in 71 at Ft Louis. There was a 2lt that wouldn't sign his discharge (it was a conveyer belt deal where everyone coming back went station to station until the finished that day and were out) until he got a haircut.
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Jun 22, 2016 23:08
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:Soulex I really feel you on the principle of the ETS award, but dude, in this short of time you're going to get maybe an AAM. Is it really worth going through a bunch of poo poo for an AAM? No one will push up an ARCOM or anything higher to Bde this close to wire and not get yelled at for looking like a bunch of dumb asses. Whoa, whoa. Not true at all. That's why I told him to do the commander's open door policy. The company commander might not be on a first name basis with the BDE commander but the Battalion commander probably is. They might not have a good relationship and there might not be any help to be had. But they could also be academy/drinking/fishing/etc buddies and it could be a phone call with a short explaination to get it rushed through. You're getting out so it's not like you'd be hurting yourself here. *edit* and there's also nothing wrong with having the thing mailed to your home of record later either (if it can't be rushed). I personally could care less about ceremony and stuff. My last several medals have been delivered to my desk by some E-4 who could care less.
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OK but he is enlisted and getting out on a medboard, literal scum of the earth, and they gently caress with him already for being fat. no one is going to bend over backwards for him like a week out before ETS. I'd love to be wrong but call it a hunch
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Jun 22, 2016 23:16
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spacetoaster posted:Does your commander have an open door policy? You're getting out so just tell him you'd like to use it and tell him what's up. He isn't here anymore or else I would. He went off to go train with industry for a year because he's highspeed or whatever. So it wouldn't change anything cause he's gone already, which is like I said, unless it falls in my lap with everything already done and all I have to do is say "he did this" I'm not gonna. Guy was a major piece of poo poo and I'm glad he's loving gone. Hillary Clintons Thong posted:Soulex I really feel you on the principle of the ETS award, but dude, in this short of time you're going to get maybe an AAM. Is it really worth going through a bunch of poo poo for an AAM? No one will push up an ARCOM or anything higher to Bde this close to wire and not get yelled at for looking like a bunch of dumb asses. That's what top said kinda. He said he could do an AAM in like a day, ARCOM would be harder. I told him just to think about what he wants to do, and that I totally understand if nothing comes of it. poo poo will suck. I mean I'm not even getting a hail and farewell lunch like everyone else does, or the little office plaque that people give to soldiers who are leaving. I'm just kinda being shown the door. Then dragged back a couple of feet and saying not until I have a DA 31 with a control number.
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if you're getting out on medical you're human trash that nobody likes, enjoy i got my ets award because i just rubberstamped all the paperwork myself ayyyyy
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:OK but he is enlisted and getting out on a medboard, literal scum of the earth, and they gently caress with him already for being fat. no one is going to bend over backwards for him like a week out before ETS. Things I've been blown the gently caress up for and had to fix immediately: not submitting an award even if late, even if the person was a med board with all but no time in. Things I've been bitched at for, but it got through: turning in an award at the last minute. E: got an ARCOM through on short notice for a med board junior NCO who also had some catastrophic report to the CG style mental/family poo poo go down while the award was up for consideration. Just because your first line is being a prick doesn't mean everyone totally agrees with them. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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Serious question: If you're getting out, why do you want an ETS award? It's not like it counts for anything in the real world.
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Jun 22, 2016 23:48
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Vanity plate? Beats the gently caress outta me
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Jun 22, 2016 23:50
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I'm sure wants an AAM plate ayep.
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Jun 22, 2016 23:51
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If I were hiring in the civilian world and knew a former NCO or officer ETS'd with no award I'd tend to think they either did nothing but respirate or that they hosed up enough to be lucky not to be given a really bad chapter. The most recent off the top of my head reasons I saw people leave without an award were officers sleeping with lower enlisted, DUI separations, going to jail, Chapter 14 cases, and people who by all rights should have received UCMJ or been facing investigation but were allowed to quietly exit with no award and a bad review.
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mlmp08 posted:If I were hiring in the civilian world and knew a former NCO or officer ETS'd with no award I'd tend to think they either did nothing but respirate or that they hosed up enough to be lucky not to be given a really bad chapter. why would their award be any of your business? thats what RE and SPD codes are for anyway. If it wasn't misconduct who gives a gently caress.
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Jun 22, 2016 23:59
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I've never even had an employer ask for a dd214, they just take my word for it.
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Teflon Don posted:I've never even had an employer ask for a dd214, they just take my word for it. apparently you need submit all awards to mlmp08 to see if you pass muster
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Yeah, that's pretty stupid. You going to ask for their APFT cards and weapon quals, too? Let me just staple copies of those to my resume that I wrote in crayon.
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Jun 23, 2016 00:05
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hold on check out this coin i have
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Jun 23, 2016 00:06
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I'll have you know, I was a platoon leader in basic training.
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Teflon Don posted:I've never even had an employer ask for a dd214, they just take my word for it. Meh. I haven't been in a position to hire a civilian in forever but I've definitely seen contractors and the like question why someone left service quick and quietly with no award. The last time I interviewed for a civilian job they asked for DD 214s and the interviewer was a vet who knew what he was looking at when he reviewed one of the other applicants'.
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DD214 doesn't reflect the award dates though so I really don't understand unless you specifically asked "what was your ETS award?" how it would even come up.
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mlmp08 posted:Meh. I haven't been in a position to hire a civilian in forever but I've definitely seen contractors and the like question why someone left service quick and quietly with no award. The last time I interviewed for a civilian job they asked for DD 214s and the interviewer was a vet who knew what he was looking at when he reviewed one of the other applicants'. Good thing I got this mountain of qualifications and licenses that actually matter to employers, versus uh an air assault badge.
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I have a BSM (no v tho lol) and I got an ARCOM for my award. But which one was it? I have four! I applied to Triple Canopy back in 2010 when I had a serious case of loving retarded and even those loving koolaid drinking motherfuckers didn't look at anything other than did I have the qualifications I was supposed to (I did) because that's what State demanded.
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:DD214 doesn't reflect the award dates though so I really don't understand unless you specifically asked "what was your ETS award?" how it would even come up. Fair enough. I've seen it cut both ways. Saw one guy with an all but guaranteed cushy contractor job get told not to bother applying when he was about to ETS once the rep on post noticed he was getting no award and started snooping around as to why. I also saw a contractor basically bust down a door and say "Hey, we heard your command is kicking you out on a chapter, please take this raise and do maintenance for us, oh and also you're going to work in your old unit's motor pool making more than all the NCOs and probably commander." That latter dude is laughing it up. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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mlmp08 posted:Fair enough. I've seen it cut both ways. Saw one guy with an all but guaranteed cushy contractor job get told not to bother applying when he was about to ETS once the rep on post noticed he was getting no award and started snooping around as to why. And he lived happily ever after. The only kind of happy ending an army story can have.
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Justin Tyme posted:...a change of lifestyle discharge... wut
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I remember 1SG telling that I could hang around in the area while my ETS award got sorted out, and I told him not to bother, I just didn't care. He was pretty chill at hat stage as he was getting QSPd despite being one of the few SNCOs I ever met who actually knew his job. He was cool about it. Then I got a call while I was on terminal from a random number and I was dumb and picked it up. The new training room NCO told me that my award was in and I needed to come in. I told him I was literally on the other side of the planet, so that'll be tricky. He proceeded to lose his loving mind as my terminal leave was for columbus, ga. So I hung up. Dont know what the award was and I couldn't give a shiiiiiiiiit I've got nothing military left at all, except for my dog tags because my wife wouldn't let me throw them out. Anything that I couldn't give away or sell for beer money got thrown in the loving trash where all army poo poo belongs.
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Lol who gives a gently caress about an ETS award if you have no plans of doing anything in the military again lmao
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If you're anyone other than HR and ask for someone's DD-214 for reasons other than verifying they were in the military you're basically setting yourself up for a lawsuit for discrimination against a protected class if you end up passing on then
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not caring here posted:I've got nothing military left at all, except for my dog tags because my wife wouldn't let me throw them out. Anything that I couldn't give away or sell for beer money got thrown in the loving trash where all army poo poo belongs. I got a pretty sweet deal on a customized Colt 1911 that I got through my unit when we went to Afghanistan. Unit mostly sucked poo poo but whatever, it'll be a great show piece in forty years so I'm keeping that and the stuff I got from the other guys when I left Korea since that had nothing to do with the unit and was from the other guys. Dog tags got mangled and shredded like every other loving thing the Army thought it would be a great idea to splash my social security number all over like PII-bukkake. I did get a completely absurd amount from operating operator tactilol idiots for dumb poo poo like my first aid kit, shooters gloves, eye protection and so on. A trunk full of that dumb stuff was like 400 bucks cash.
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Aranan posted:Serious question: If you're getting out, why do you want an ETS award? It's not like it counts for anything in the real world. Eh, it's the principle now, plus I'm actually proud of what I did in the Army despite the bullshit. Being shown the door unceremoniously while everyone else gets one makes me all mushy
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If you fall onto a shitload of cash at once (I think it might be like $100,000 minimum) you can be discharged if you do the paperwork for it explaining how it would be in your and the army's best interest for them to let you go, which I imagine would boil down to "I'm not gonna loving bother waking my happy rear end up to do your stupid PT when I could sleep on my pile of Sacajawea dollar coins." http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r635_200.pdf Chapter 5 Section I 5-3, also falling under this category is HIV infection (lol). Basically a catch-all regulation for any situation where it would be painfully obvious staying in the Army would be pointless to the point where going AWOL would just be a slight roadbump in your life. Justin Tyme fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Soulex posted:Eh, it's the principle now, plus I'm actually proud of what I did in the Army despite the bullshit. Also this. I had a retirement award (MSM) get downgraded for one of my NCOs, and through dumbassery by the S1, they told him this before me and he was utterly loving done with it and ready to accept an ARCOM. I rewrote the whole award and attached a personal letter that said, in short "If this award isn't good enough, blame my writing ability, not this NCO" then had the BN XO and BDE DCO clean it up and get it back to the CG's staff the next morning. He left with an MSM and appreciated it, but really I realized it was very worth it when his wife came up and explained that he'd been ratfucked out of an MSM several times over his career after his first line leaders recommended him for them, but his higher leadership wasn't willing to fight for it.
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