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You guys are idiots. Everyone knows our faux government (AKA: The United States of Corruption), mass media, and 7/11s are all control by the Stone Masons, who in turn ruled by a secret cabal of Illuminati, who in turn have been bought out by the corporations. Get a clue sheepeople. Seriously though, anyone who say we were involved in the Ukraine protests either thinks we're all-powerful and is really over estimating us in a, frankly, very flattering way, or they don't understand how very little we cared about Ukraine by the time the protests were over. The only reason we started working with Ukraine (in a strictly training capacity) is because Russia toke an interest in what was happening afterwards. Back Hack fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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I just had a friend come back from teaching in Brazil and the domestic opinions there are frighteningly similar with regards to Oliver Stone and the other skeptics. He said that in Brazil some think that Zika is just a Western Propaganda Campaign aimed at destroying Brazil's economy, by reducing tourism. The Dilma coup is backed by the CIA to install Capitalists. The Olympics are a Jewish-Western banking scheme to launder money nationally. Every single word could be exchanged for Ukraine and the Maiden Revolution and it would seem just as legitimate. I mean of course the U.S destabilized Brazil to ensure American economic hegemony. Of course the U.S is the singular source of all Russian opposition in Europe and none of it is local.
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Jun 22, 2016 05:36
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Lol if you think the illuminati will stay bought with the reptilians breathing down their necks. Who do you think is doing Brexit?
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Jun 22, 2016 05:39
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Aliens. They don't really understand how all the other secret societies work, sadly.
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Jun 22, 2016 06:56
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Arglebargle III posted:To be fair a bunch of European leaders visited Kiev to show support for the protests and it was a huge PR blunder and gift to the Russians/Donbass Reverse Revanchists. Europe was rhetorically on the side of the Maidan at the very least. Yes, and the US ambassador and his staff gave some cookies to protesters and John McCain (notable for being the head of the CIA, apparently) lobbied for supporting the Maidan more directly. International diplomacy is now verboten if it hurts the feelings of Russian people.
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Gaj posted:I just had a friend come back from teaching in Brazil and the domestic opinions there are frighteningly similar with regards to Oliver Stone and the other skeptics. The funny part is that all those statements are true.
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McCain didn't just lobby for supporting Maidan. He went on stage with the leader of Svboda and said to the crowd "America is with you". Ukraine had a democratically elected government and, at that point, hadn't taken any action against the "protesters" more harsh than what other countries took against, say, anti-globalization protestors. At the same time Victoria Nuland told Yanukovych the US wouldn't accept anything less than IMF reforms. Maybe I'm crazy, but I consider that US involvement. Amusingly, when Right Sector tried to storm the parliament last year they weren't called "protesters" in the west anymore.
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Flocons de Jambon posted:McCain didn't just lobby for supporting Maidan. He went on stage with the leader of Svboda and said to the crowd "America is with you". Ukraine had a democratically elected government and, at that point, hadn't taken any action against the "protesters" more harsh than what other countries took against, say, anti-globalization protestors. John McCain can do whatever he wants, not being a member of the executive branch of US government, it doesn't bear any more weight than his personal prestige can grant. Russia is member of the IMF. So is any country of note. IMF reform is a US scheme, though. I see. Meanwhile nobody is concerned by Russia using their petroleum and gas dominance to extort Ukraine politically, and to ruin her through state-sanctioned corruption. Ukraine had a democratically elected government, that was democratically voted out of office by its own majority party, so I imagine you wouldn't have a problem with that. Also the measure of actual democracy is not being able to vote a government in, it's the ability to get rid of it by a popular decision. So in summary, routine day to day diplomatic and trade relations between states that occur under all circumstances are construed as power-grabbing moves triggered by the maidan. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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Well, obviously, protestors (scaryqotes!) don't have free will, why would anyone want to turn their gaze away from the shining bod of Putin and deny the god-given Russian sphere of influence. It is hard to deny the US/EU interest in Ukraine, but the degree of involvement in Maidan is vastly overstated, which leads to Oliver Stone and his  CIA fingerprints garbage.
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Flocons de Jambon posted:Amusingly, when Right Sector tried to storm the parliament last year they weren't called "protesters" in the west anymore. At Maidan police took lethal action against the protestors before anything turned violent. (water cannons in sub-zero weather are deadly.) Even when the protests did turn into a riot, sending paramilitaries to gun down the mob is hardly a justified escalation. ass struggle fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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Nuland said "gently caress the EU", that was clearly an order for Ukraine to have (metaphorical) intercourse with the European Union, meaning take part in it. Clearly that's how Euromaidan is a CIA plot. They want Ukrainians to enter the gigantic non-stop orgy that is the EU (named after the disgusted reaction any sane and moral person would have to this amount of perverse debauchery: ee-yew!) to further the homonazi agenda. Soon everyone will be mass-gay-married to everyone else of the same sex, and this will lead to the genocide of the white race as men will no longer copulate with women, allowing the lesser races such as mosselmen Arabs to take over. This is part of the Jewish plot to control the entire world, because the dim-witted Arabs are easier to control than the proud Aryans. Sounds legit.
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slavatuvs posted:At Maidan they were called protestors because that is what they were, until Please focus on the Right Sector, not on the plain-clothes mobsters hired by Yanukovich to fire live ammo into crowds from behind police lines.
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Jun 22, 2016 09:28
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Flocons de Jambon posted:McCain didn't just lobby for supporting Maidan. He went on stage with the leader of Svboda and said to the crowd "America is with you". Ukraine had a democratically elected government and, at that point, hadn't taken any action against the "protesters" more harsh than what other countries took against, say, anti-globalization protestors. If McCain had any control over US foreign policy, the US government would be using the word "gooks" in conversation with the Vietnamese rather than selling them weapons.
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McCain is a soon to be ex senator from Arizona who happens to run his own foreign policy institute. When he went to Kyiv he was not representing the United States, but his own war hawk foreign policy institute.  
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"Dear people of the Maidan. Though I may appear to be a US government representative I'm only here as a private citizen, in fact our government has special executive branch that handles foreign relations. So when I say 'America is with you' in a few seconds it is only a wistful sentiment, not to interpreted as support in any way."
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"No no no. The US government is a seamless apparatus that runs with the lockstep unison of a clock." \ Someone really keyed into American politics.
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Flocons de Jambon posted:"Dear people of the Maidan. Though I may appear to be a US government representative I'm only here as a private citizen, in fact our government has special executive branch that handles foreign relations. So when I say 'America is with you' in a few seconds it is only a wistful sentiment, not to interpreted as support in any way." Yes, that is literally what happened. While he's a senator, he was not sent by the United States as far as I'm aware and he has no special relationship with Ukraine that would result in him being chosen by the government to represent the United States there. John McCain doesn't represent a fictional "US involvement in the Maidan" any more than I would if I flew to Kyiv and started throwing Molotovs.
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I guess by this logic the rest of the world needs to consider Vladimir Zhirinovsky's statements the official Russian governments position. Seems a weird choice to want to make, but I don't decide the rules in Eastern Europe.
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Flocons de Jambon posted:"Dear people of the Maidan. Though I may appear to be a US government representative I'm only here as a private citizen, in fact our government has special executive branch that handles foreign relations. So when I say 'America is with you' in a few seconds it is only a wistful sentiment, not to interpreted as support in any way." lol, so I guess every single one of Zhirinovsky's batshit insane comments is in fact representative of Russian government's official policies? Because VZ and McCain have about the same status in their political systems. That's wild! (I know you'll answer they are not, because unlike Amerikkans, Russians do not deserve to be un-peopled and turned into a hive mind) E: gently caress you, guy above me!
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Flocons de Jambon posted:"Dear people of the Maidan. Though I may appear to be a US government representative I'm only here as a private citizen, in fact our government has special executive branch that handles foreign relations. So when I say 'America is with you' in a few seconds it is only a wistful sentiment, not to interpreted as support in any way." McCain certainly wanted to give the impression that he was representing the US government and did nothing to dissuade opinions to that effect. It's unfortunate that some people were duped into thinking that was actually the case, as he was not on any official mission and was visiting in his own capacity. It was irresponsible of McCain to do that, but no one could stop him. It's exactly as meaningful as if I had been at the rally saying those words instead. Except I'm a nobody and would not give anyone the impression of actual US involvement.
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Even if we assume US involvement - without considering if that might or might not have been a smart move -, how does that make them directly responsible for the violent protests? I assume the conspiracy theory is that they directly provoked violent action? Hidden CIA snipers etc. etc.? Because if McCain really did speak for the US government - doubtful? -, it still sounds like lobbying, certainly nothing coercive. Maybe I'm just attributing too much Ukraine self-determination here, I don't know the details of this conspiracy theory...
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No Eastern European country has self-determination except for Russia. All others are US/NATO pig-dog pawns being used to oppress Russians.
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A reminder btw that the original post that started this discussion was:Cat Mattress posted:So Oliver Stone is making a movie to reveal that the Maidan upraising of Ukraine was staged by the CIA to put in power a bunch of homonazis and that only Putin's manly arms are defending freedom and civilization. Wake up, sheeple! Even if McCain was personally ordered by Obama to go to Maidan and spread word of America's support, that still hardly counts as "Maidan was staged by the CIA".
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Skeesix posted:If McCain had any control over US foreign policy, the US government would be using the word "gooks" in conversation with the Vietnamese rather than selling them weapons. Uh McCain was critical to softening relations with Vietnam, what an unbelievably ignorant comment.
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DrProsek posted:
Well, maybe Mustafa Naiem is a CIA agent. And we all know that Facebook was a CIA project. Just like Netflix was secretly setup by the US government!
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OddObserver posted:Well, maybe Mustafa Naiem is a CIA agent. And we all know that Facebook was a CIA project. Just like Netflix was secretly setup by the US government! Don't forget Google Earth was funded by the CIA, and we all know who uses Google Earth a lot in their work.
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Gaj posted:I just had a friend come back from teaching in Brazil and the domestic opinions there are frighteningly similar with regards to Oliver Stone and the other skeptics. Brown Moses posted:Don't forget Google Earth was funded by the CIA, and we all know who uses Google Earth a lot in their work. Elukka fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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Belarus will denominate their currency effective July 1, 2016. Every 10,000 br of the old money will be worth 1 br of the new money. Belarusians will also have coins again. http://udf.by/english/main-story/130149-belarus-to-have-denomination-with-new-rubles-and-kopeks-photo.html quote:Belarus to have denomination with new rubles and kopeks    As this is scheduled to happen a mere 48 hours before the country's main national holiday on July 3, it will of course go smoothly and people will be able to use credit and debit cards with ease. e: almost forgot to include this is a CIA plot too, to bring economic panic to Belarus and allow NATO and the EU to blah blah blah. HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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tsa posted:Uh McCain was critical to softening relations with Vietnam, what an unbelievably ignorant comment. SA poster tsa reveals: Vietnam a poisoned dagger in American hand, pointed at the heart of China
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Elukka posted:
There's going to be an ever increasing number of commercial satellites being launched, some with video as well as still images, so prices will drop and make it more accessible. The biggest limitation beyond that is regulations on the resolution of commerical imagery, but I expect that will improve as demand increases. Speaking of Google Earth, they've just updated a bunch of imagery related to MH17 locations, including a better view of the truck transporting the Buk on July 17th, which we wrote up here https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/06/22/new-google-earth-satellite-update-confirms-presence-of-buk-in-eastern-ukraine/
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:e: almost forgot to include this is a CIA plot too, to bring economic panic to Belarus and allow NATO and the EU to blah blah blah. Those banknotes and the 2R coin look a lot like Euros, I'd start mobilizing right away.
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steinrokkan posted:SA poster tsa reveals: Vietnam a poisoned dagger in American hand, pointed at the heart of China CIA playing the long game; we'll see who really wins the Vietnam War in the end. 
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steinrokkan posted:Those banknotes and the 2R coin look a lot like Euros, I'd start mobilizing right away. Good thing Russia just so happens to be building a military base in Klintsy, Bryansk region right now, will be ready by August 1. Only 119 km away from Gomel. HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Belarusians will also have coins again. Goondolences. I loved the period where I could buy and sell everything with zero use of coins where I live. I hate coins so much I use my debit card for everything now.
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Truga posted:Goondolences. I loved the period where I could buy and sell everything with zero use of coins where I live. I hate coins so much I use my debit card for everything now. Some time ago I found 300 Tolarjev in one of my drawer, still haven't decided what to do with such untold riches. Google tells me it's €1.25 as of today.
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Truga posted:Goondolences. I loved the period where I could buy and sell everything with zero use of coins where I live. I hate coins so much I use my debit card for everything now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttx-GfyaNKQ
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Elukka posted:You'd think people would focus on all the actual lovely stuff the West does because it's not like there's a shortage of that rather than going for fictional stuff. I guess it's the same as with conspiracy theorists in general, where they will come up with all these wild theories but doggedly ignore real conspiracies.[...] Well that's because actual conspiracies are usually boring because someone eventually fucks up or spills the beans, then everyone learns about them, there's articles and news and sometimes even trials. Conspiracy nuts need endless conspiracies that only they can figure out and know about/believe in, vs. the general population and the "establishment" not seeing through the veil or being complicit in the conspiracy in the first place.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Belarus will denominate their currency effective July 1, 2016. Every 10,000 br of the old money will be worth 1 br of the new money. Belarusians will also have coins again. Those banknotes are super ugly and boring.
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The_Franz posted:CASH  Yeah, that does look almost as bad as coins.
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Tevery Best posted:Those banknotes are super ugly and boring. 
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