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I thought Aquaman's rival was a bad guy in a black diving suit called "Black Manta", and some time after his introduction it turns out he's called "Black Manta" because he a black guy underneath and not because his of his costume colour.
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http://imgur.com/gallery/2R4zsxK This is a great meme.
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Jun 23, 2016 02:15
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PenguinKnight posted:the main antagonist of an Aquaman movie should just be a goon continuously screaming "gently caress THE OCEAN! gently caress THE OCEAN!" Then takes a break by cracking  Aquaman jokes.
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Jun 23, 2016 02:22
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Aquaman? More like Cockwaman
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Jun 23, 2016 02:50
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It's not a well-know fact, but Aquaman's actual superpower is that, as a King, he has diplomatic immunity.
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Jun 23, 2016 02:58
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MonsieurChoc posted:It's not a well-know fact, but Aquaman's actual superpower is that, as a King, he has diplomatic immunity. He can actually remark on the ridiculousness of barrels and dogs and the police cannot do anything about it.
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Jun 23, 2016 03:09
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They should just straight-up write him as Namor. You know, the guy who is exactly the same character but badass.
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Jun 23, 2016 03:29
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Hodgepodge posted:They should just straight-up write him as Namor. Why?
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Jun 23, 2016 05:00
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Namor loses much of what makes him great if they can't have him mack on Reed Richard's wife constantly, and I have no idea whose wife you could have Aquaman mack on. Everyone's, I guess.
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Jun 23, 2016 05:50
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Grendels Dad posted:Namor loses much of what makes him great if they can't have him mack on Reed Richard's wife constantly, and I have no idea whose wife you could have Aquaman mack on. Everyone's, I guess. Superman's mom.
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Jun 23, 2016 05:52
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The MSJ posted:Superman's mom. Can't do that, Batman kills people now.
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Jun 23, 2016 05:56
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With Namor, it's going to be this panel except it's Namor saying he will sleep with all your loved ones. Of course it will all turn out to be a ruse by Batman to have Namor convicted of pedophilia.
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Jun 23, 2016 06:01
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Namor is like a one-note sea douchebag. I haven't seen anything remotely interesting done with him, ever. I guess he's funny in "rear end in a top hat crashes the party" kind of way.
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Jun 23, 2016 07:21
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Edit, read your response as aquaman and not Namor... On that note, I know they are going for a badass Aquaman but I wish we were getting Batman BatB Aquaman. Throwdown fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Jun 23, 2016 12:20
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Grendels Dad posted:Namor loses much of what makes him great if they can't have him mack on Reed Richard's wife constantly, and I have no idea whose wife you could have Aquaman mack on. Everyone's, I guess. The MSJ posted:Superman's mom. He's going to steal Spider-Man's sexy aunt away from Tony Stark
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Jun 23, 2016 12:31
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Clark Kent would still help people even if he didn't have powers.
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Jun 23, 2016 13:13
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:He's going to steal Spider-Man's sexy aunt away from Tony Stark That's what is going to set up Marvel v DC.
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Jun 23, 2016 13:34
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They should write Aquaman as a superfriend.
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Jun 23, 2016 13:57
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I expect they'll write him almost exactly as they write Thor, except surlier. A bit ye olde, fish out of water (hurr), well meaning, but more volatile.
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Jun 23, 2016 14:20
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Davros1 posted:Clark Kent would still help people even if he didn't have powers. Agreed. Superman is his disguise so people don't recognize him. Clark Kent is the real driving force, except when he's pretending to be clumsy. This is different from Batman who uses Bruce Wayne as his disguise.
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Jun 23, 2016 14:49
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MonsieurChoc posted:Namor is like a one-note sea douchebag. I haven't seen anything remotely interesting done with him, ever. I guess he's funny in "rear end in a top hat crashes the party" kind of way. You should read Hickman's FF and Avengers run, and Gillen using him in X-Men.
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Jun 23, 2016 15:00
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Agreed. Superman is his disguise so people don't recognize him. Clark Kent is the real driving force, except when he's pretending to be clumsy. This is different from Batman who uses Bruce Wayne as his disguise. I have to sort of disagree on Batman but only insofar as the Bruce Wayne that he shows to the world is a disguise, but so is Batman. Batman is how the real Bruce Wayne hides. I felt it was perfectly captured in Mask of the Phantasm where, feeling he has absolutely nothing left to really live for, only then does he puts on the cape and cowl.
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Jun 23, 2016 15:04
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One of Namor's best moments in comics, I think, was his brief two issue crossover with ROM Space Knight, because it showed a different side of Namor you don't get to see too often. Most of the time Namor clashes with the heroes of the Marvel Universe because they are, relatively, normal people, or at least are supposed to be, with super powers. So Namor fits in more with the megomaniacial Doom than he does, say, Spider-Man. But the thing with Namor is that he is a hero, he's just a really old school one. He is a grandiose, larger than life, dramatic hero who is defined as much by his faults as he is his virtues, bombastic and over the top beyond measure. Rom Space Knight is cut from the exact same cloth- Rom is this overly dramatic and always uber serious epic hero guy, who is way more virtue than fault but that's because he is a classical Knight to Namor's King. So when the two meet, there is no contrast at all. They are instant bros and it is a loving sight to behold as they take on undersea horrors and save lives while bombastically singing one another's praises and mightily exclaiming their own deeds. Basically Namor is what Thor wishes he could be- all in on the classical hero theme. Thor is often way too wishy washy to fully embrace it.
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Jun 23, 2016 15:16
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I don't really know anything about Namor or Aquaman so I might be confusing them, but is Aquaman just some guy from Atlantis? There was a recent post that Willem Dafoe is the king of Atlantis, I would've assumed that was Aquaman. Or is it yet another Son of King situation?
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Jun 23, 2016 15:55
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Electromax posted:I don't really know anything about Namor or Aquaman so I might be confusing them, but is Aquaman just some guy from Atlantis? There was a recent post that Willem Dafoe is the king of Atlantis, I would've assumed that was Aquaman. Or is it yet another Son of King situation? OG Aquaman was a dude whose dad found Atlantis and some how figured out how to teach his son how to breathe underwater and control fish and poo poo because it was the 30s and 40s gently caress you logic. They eventually retconed it that his mom was a banished Atlantean princess, making him Heir to the throne when he returned to Atlantis to save it from some fucker or other and became King. So I doubt DaFoe is Aquaman's dad, but might be set up to be the villain of the Aquaman movie or something if they pursue that kind of storyline of the dude discovering the corruption within the kingdom and ascending the throne as King.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:33
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Electromax posted:I don't really know anything about Namor or Aquaman so I might be confusing them, but is Aquaman just some guy from Atlantis? There was a recent post that Willem Dafoe is the king of Atlantis, I would've assumed that was Aquaman. Or is it yet another Son of King situation? It actually looks like Dafoe is playing some royal retainer or something, not the Atlantean king. Or maybe he is ruling Atlantis in Aquaman's absence? Aquaman is usually portrayed as Atlantean royalty, but sometimes he is deposed or overthrown or whatever to make the story interesting, so there is a lot of ways they can play it. In his origin he usually starts out raised by humans and not realizing he is from Atlantis, from the description Dafoe's character is the dude who brings him back into the fold.
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Dafoe is playing Vulko, one of the oldest Aquaman supporting characters (created in 1967). He's usually a royal retainer or advisor, although like all things Aquaman he's had quite a few different versions. The way it went in the old continuity is that he was Aquaman's main advisor until he became disenchanted with his rule, at which point he started backing Aquaman's Inuit son Koryak. Then the Spectre nuked Atlantis, with Vulko being among the dead. A new Aquaman found his ghost in the ruins of Atlantis. Then the universe got rebooted and Vulko became an Atlantean politician who was exiled along with Aquaman's mom and he starts a huge war in a stupid gambit to put Aquaman on the throne of Atlantis. There's something about Aquaman that gets comic writer's imagination going. Every new author gives a different spin on the character and his supporting cast, and gives a new version of Atlantis. While some of these versions are bad (the Larsen and Geoff Johns versions come to mind), there's usually something to like in each of them. I'm pretty excited to see James Wan's version of Aquaman!
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Jun 23, 2016 16:51
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Spotify just gave me this ad  
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Jun 23, 2016 17:01
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MonsieurChoc posted:While some of these versions are bad (the Larsen and Geoff Johns versions come to mind), there's usually something to like in each of them. I'm pretty excited to see James Wan's version of Aquaman! To be fair to Larsen, he hated that gig because the editor kept rewriting whole chunks of each issue, so he washed his hands of it as soon as he could. "It was an extremely difficult book to write-- on the one hard, the editor wanted me to make Aquaman more cheerful and positive while at the same time he had Aquaman's wife leave him. The "just do it" directive that to me contradicted any logic or reason lead to some very tense exchanges." Retrowave Joe fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Jun 23, 2016 17:46
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Retardog posted:To be fair to Larsen, he hated that gig because the editor kept rewriting whole chunks of each issue, so he washed his hands of it as soon as he could. I don't see how having your main character be divorced (it had already happened a while before Larsen and mostly resolved) prevents you from making a more cheerful or positive book.
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Jun 23, 2016 18:00
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I know Max Landis is super contentious around here, but I really like this Ninja Turtles vision of his: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNwzVmyOtt4
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edit: ugh, sorry I misread a thing.
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Mordiceius posted:I know Max Landis is super contentious around here, but I really like this Ninja Turtles vision of his: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNwzVmyOtt4 As someone who devoured the old comic books back in the day I enjoyed this, cheese and all.
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NikkolasKing posted:I have to sort of disagree on Batman but only insofar as the Bruce Wayne that he shows to the world is a disguise, but so is Batman. Batman is how the real Bruce Wayne hides. I felt it was perfectly captured in Mask of the Phantasm where, feeling he has absolutely nothing left to really live for, only then does he puts on the cape and cowl. There's a great moment in Batman Beyond where Bruce Wayne refers to himself in his own head as Batman. That's who he really is. Bruce Wayne died that night in the alley and gave way to Batman. In the comics when Bruce Wayne was framed for murder he basically said "gently caress it" and totally dropped the Bruce Wayne identity. His extended family had to convince him to re-establish it, in another great moment that had either Tim or Dick ask, "if Bruce Wayne doesn't exist then who adopted me?" Great stuff. poo poo like that is what makes Batman a great and compelling character.
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Jun 23, 2016 21:20
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Batman as an in depth character is something I feel like we won't really get to explore in depth in this giant blockbuster world of comic book movies.
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From DVD commentaries it seems to me that Conroy deserves a lot of credit for kind of creating the "Bruce Wayne is his actual disguise" idea. Michael Keaton had played Bruce Wayne as somewhat of a creep, he really wasn't doing a good job of disguising himself at all. In the animated series you can really feel the difference in how Conroy's Bruce Wayne voice is a complete put-on, but it works for fancy parties and charity events. The Batman voice is his regular voice, at the very least its much closer to the voice he uses when he's talking to Alfred in the Batcave(where there's no logical reason to disguise his voice) than the Bruce Wayne voice.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Namor is like a one-note sea douchebag. I haven't seen anything remotely interesting done with him, ever. I guess he's funny in "rear end in a top hat crashes the party" kind of way. The most interesting Namor story I ever read was the one set aboard a submarine where Namor was seen by humans as a monster story/force of nature that they weren't even sure existed.
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The thing I love about Conroy's performance is that his Batman doesn't sound like a put on voice. It just sounds like another person. I love this scene from Perchance to Dream because you can hear the Bruce voice start to break into Batman, but not completely get there.
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Jun 23, 2016 22:32
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:There's a great moment in Batman Beyond where Bruce Wayne refers to himself in his own head as Batman. That's who he really is. Bruce Wayne died that night in the alley and gave way to Batman. In the comics when Bruce Wayne was framed for murder he basically said "gently caress it" and totally dropped the Bruce Wayne identity. His extended family had to convince him to re-establish it, in another great moment that had either Tim or Dick ask, "if Bruce Wayne doesn't exist then who adopted me?" Great stuff. poo poo like that is what makes Batman a great and compelling character. In the end of The Sandman, during Dream's wake, I like that in the Batman/Superman cameo, Superman is just Clark Kent and Batman is an almost bat-like monstrous figure, since that's how they each see their real identity as.
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Timeless Appeal posted:The thing I love about Conroy's performance is that his Batman doesn't sound like a put on voice. It just sounds like another person. Also some wicked scoring for a kids cartoon show.
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