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ComradeCosmobot posted:I believe race is only used to fill out the class after Top Ten because Top Ten isn't good enough to diversify the class. Yeah, they compromised by scaling it to a percentage of incoming class. Thread FYI: Texas has a law called the top ten rule that allows any student graduating in the top ten percent of their high school class gets automatic admission to any state school. In practice, almost everyone wanted to go to UT Austin, and administrators started warning that before too long, the only criteria for UT admission would be top ten percent. I think in the last year before the compromise, something insane like 80 percent of the incoming freshman class was admitted under top ten.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:09
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Samurai Sanders posted:More in general, when I was a kid I was taught that bad things happened to minorities in history, and that's why things like AA existed, and under that logic it does seem questionable. It was a bit later that I realized that big organized bad things were happening to minorities all the time and were not going to stop anytime soon, so we need big organized good things to balance them out. Now, there can be a million arguments about the best ways to implement that but the concept is sound. I mean let's not forget the bad things in the past kinda matter and continue to impact us. A huge degree of one's advantages in life come from family wealth from two, three, four or more generations ago. An example: African-Americans benefited from the GI Bill after WWII, but higher education (particularly in the south) was still segregated. Blacks in the south were often prohibited from attending the largest and best funded universities and had to make do at junior colleges. This had a big impact in exacerbating economic divide among black and white men in the South. One can easily imagine the effects two generations down the line. AA can be a corrective to that.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:11
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I completely missed this story. Those officers clearly murdered that guy, despite the evidence not being sufficient for a guilty verdict. I can't imagine what it feels like to be black in Baltimore.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:12
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ComradeCosmobot posted:I believe race is only used to fill out the class after Top Ten because Top Ten isn't good enough to diversify the class. It's maybe worth mentioning that Abigail Fisher wouldn't have gotten in if the affirmative action program didn't exist (but the case wasn't really about her, either). The admissions criteria for students below the top 10% just consider "special circumstances" as a minor factor, and most of the students with worse grades than her who got in were white.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:14
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mlmp08 posted:SA is so woke. Do you also believe Trump has a master political plan? What does it mean to have a "master political plan" and how is it different from having a regular plan about how to win an election
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Jun 23, 2016 16:15
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Civilized Fishbot posted:What does it mean to have a "master political plan" and how is it different from having a regular plan about how to win an election You think he has a plan to win an election?
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Jun 23, 2016 16:16
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James Garfield posted:It's maybe worth mentioning that Abigail Fisher wouldn't have gotten in if the affirmative action program didn't exist (but the case wasn't really about her, either). The admissions criteria for students below the top 10% just consider "special circumstances" as a minor factor, and most of the students with worse grades than her who got in were white. That she was the best case they could find for this cause kind of shows how weak it is. Also she ended up going to LSU anyway so obviously she wasn't that disadvantaged.
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gay rites posted:I mean let's not forget the bad things in the past kinda matter and continue to impact us. A huge degree of one's advantages in life come from family wealth from two, three, four or more generations ago. An example: African-Americans benefited from the GI Bill after WWII, but higher education (particularly in the south) was still segregated. Blacks in the south were often prohibited from attending the largest and best funded universities and had to make do at junior colleges. This had a big impact in exacerbating economic divide among black and white men in the South. One can easily imagine the effects two generations down the line. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Jun 23, 2016 16:17
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The DACA case is bullshit. Even if you're against it, this is a horrible result. 4-4.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:18
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You think he has a plan to win an election?
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Jun 23, 2016 16:18
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zoux posted:Yeah, they compromised by scaling it to a percentage of incoming class. new plan: include private schools
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Jun 23, 2016 16:18
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:even more satisfying was he basically wrote the playbook for it to happen in an earlier dissent yeah, that's definitely the cherry on top of a delicious judicial beatdown sundae
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Jun 23, 2016 16:19
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Shageletic posted:The DACA case is bullshit. Even if you're against it, this is a horrible result. 4-4. After the Republicans get shellacked by the Latino vote this cycle, they're going to be a lot more amenable to reasonable immigration legislation in the next term. So yeah it sucks but it's not necessarily dead forever. https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/745999934663630850 What the decision does do though is keep immigration front and center in the presidential campaign and enables Trump and them to continue to say terrible things about Latinos and further doom their party.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:20
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This is hosed and not surprising at all which makes it more hosed.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:20
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You think he has a plan to win an election? He has a secret plan to fight inflation
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Jun 23, 2016 16:20
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zoux posted:After the Republicans get shellacked by the Latino vote this cycle, they're going to be a lot more amenable to reasonable immigration legislation in the next term. -Everybody in 2012
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Jun 23, 2016 16:21
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zoux posted:Yeah, they compromised by scaling it to a percentage of incoming class. maybe i misunderstand but guranteed admission seems awfully progressive for texas
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Jun 23, 2016 16:21
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mandatory lesbian posted:maybe i misunderstand but guranteed admission seems awfully progressive for texas It's also intended to help rural students compete against urban students.  Nobody tell Dick Armey about Bob Hope and Steve Jobs zoux fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Jun 23, 2016 16:22
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.stripes.com/news/gun-control-group-enlists-petraeus-and-other-vets-to-help-curb-violence-1.414754 These people should have consulted Dead Reckoning, TapTheForwardAssist, and LeJackal before making such a boneheaded maneuver like suggesting anything except for more guns can curb gun violence!
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Jun 23, 2016 16:27
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https://www.balloon-juice.com/2016/06/23/quibbling-over-the-script/ https://twitter.com/normanisreyes/status/745647311330643968 quote:
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Jun 23, 2016 16:28
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blue squares posted:I'm watching Touch of Evil and every time I go back to the movie I miss something awesome Chartlon Heston is the Democrats, the biker gang are the Republicans, the bar is the House, and the rolling camera is America's attention span. http://video.anyclip.com/movies/touch-of-evil/bar-brawl/#!info/
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Jun 23, 2016 16:28
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Thanks guys. I didn't mean to start another shitstorm but at least we're finally off gun control!
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Jun 23, 2016 16:29
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://www.balloon-juice.com/2016/06/23/quibbling-over-the-script/ On the other hand, how can I demonstrate how woke I am?
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Jun 23, 2016 16:29
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.stripes.com/news/gun-control-group-enlists-petraeus-and-other-vets-to-help-curb-violence-1.414754 My Facebook is EXPLODING with people calling them traitors.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:31
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Thanks guys. I didn't mean to start another shitstorm but at least we're finally off gun control! Nah, gently caress that I'm not done with gun control yet.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:31
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Sir Tonk posted:new plan: include private schools They already are (so long as they're accredited)
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Jun 23, 2016 16:31
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ComradeCosmobot posted:They already are. He means private colleges.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:32
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RuanGacho posted:Nah, gently caress that I'm not done with gun control yet. too bad the american people are. the sit in will do jack poo poo.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:33
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Last time I checked AA benefited white women more than any other group, so how is this racist against white folks again? I seem to find that most people against AA dont understand how it works (or is supposed to work). Have two equal applicants. Yes. One of them a minority? Pick the minority. White male will still get to go to another school. If he wants to cry about not getting into his first choice because there's an institutional imbalance that needs to be corrected and this is one of the few ways we are even allowed to try to fix it, gently caress him. Koalas March fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Jun 23, 2016 16:34
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gradenko_2000 posted:He has a secret plan to fight inflation Like Trump could keep a secret about anything. The fact that he hasn't talked about it on Twitter shows that Trump doesn't support his own secret plan to fight inflation.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:35
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Koalas March posted:Last time I checked AA benefited white women more than any other group, so how is this racist against white folks again? The plaintiff in Fisher is a white woman.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:35
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Thanks. So if they have to take x% of POC wouldn't those end up generally being the ones in majority white districts anyways? Those schools would have better programs and teachers and the like meaning probably mediocre performances would be better than good ones in poor districts. Poverty in minority communities is largely the result of race-based policy, so why is it strange that the solution would also be race-based?
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Jun 23, 2016 16:36
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Arrgytehpirate posted:How is affirmative action not racism? Perhaps it would help for you to define what you think "affirmative action" means here, and how it's practiced in a modern context. It seems like a lot of the time it gets boiled down to some "my uncle totally should have gotten that job, but he said they had to give it to an affirmative action hire instead" stereotype that's never existed in any significant way, and that tends to poison discussion on policies that do actually exist.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:36
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RuanGacho posted:Nah, gently caress that I'm not done with gun control yet. We need better gun post control.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:37
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Abigail Fisher is a poo poo
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Jun 23, 2016 16:37
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Abigail Fisher is a poo poo Well she was a mad 18 year old who had to go to her second choice and suddenly a giant, well funded political machine appears to tell her that it's not her fault.
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Jun 23, 2016 16:38
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zoux posted:Well she was a mad 18 year old who had to go to her second choice and suddenly a giant, well funded political machine appears to tell her that it's not her fault. that personal responsibility tho
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Jun 23, 2016 16:39
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.stripes.com/news/gun-control-group-enlists-petraeus-and-other-vets-to-help-curb-violence-1.414754 The NRA has been extremely dim when it comes to the military, especially its initiatives to limit guns on bases and the mentally ill. I think I already posted a study in here about restricting arms to service members significantly lowered the rate of suicide (a military base being one of the few places to accurately study its effects).
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zoux posted:It's also intended to help rural students compete against urban students. https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/746000988402757633
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