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manyak posted:The books have him around +240, so a little more than a 2:1 underdog, so theres probably value in betting against him, in fact its kind of suspicious that the line is like that and hes not a bigger underdog drat i wanna bet against him, is mickey gall terrible?
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Thauros posted:Ooh, Clevland's driveable and it's headlined by the Overeem/Miocic match. Might go as I've never seen MMA live, the card looks halfway decent, and I can say I was at what will probably be Punk's only MMA match. I dunno about it being his last match. He'll probably go on fighting D-list celebrities like Verne Troyer, Frank Stallone and Vanilla Ice. (CM Punk takes himself waaaaaaaay too seriously for this, but I badly want to see him in The Surreal Ultimate Fighter)
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Skip My Posts posted:drat i wanna bet against him, is mickey gall terrible? hard to say. i think his last fight made him look good though. but i might be misremembering
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Jun 23, 2016 18:55
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Skip My Posts posted:drat i wanna bet against him, is mickey gall terrible? That's pretty impossible to say because he's only had two pro fights against nobodies, but his one bout in the UFC was against a 31-year-old debutante and Gall absolutely obliterated him. Punk has the same record as that guy and is older and way more beat up.
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Jun 23, 2016 18:57
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Mickey Gall's last fight made me hyped to see more of Mickey Gall.
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Micky Gall beat up a dude that, at first, thought he was called to take pictures of the event, because he is a photographer.
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Jun 23, 2016 19:04
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A photographer that has been training and fighting for longer than Chick Magnet Punk.
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Jun 23, 2016 19:39
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Even if Gall's actually really bad standing up and he just got lucky against an unprepared can, he's still so much more athletic than Punk that he's probably going to beat him however he wants. It's strange to me that the UFC picked someone who's going to be way better than Punk on the ground instead of a one-dimensional stand-up guy like the one Gall just beat, since I'm assuming Punk's main weapon would be his BJJ, but yeah, he's hosed.
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Skjorte posted:Even if Gall's actually really bad standing up and he just got lucky against an unprepared can, he's still so much more athletic than Punk that he's probably going to beat him however he wants. It's strange to me that the UFC picked someone who's going to be way better than Punk on the ground instead of a one-dimensional stand-up guy like the one Gall just beat, since I'm assuming Punk's main weapon would be his BJJ, but yeah, he's hosed. CM Punk is not a BJJ player, he had an online white belt from Gracie BJJ.
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Jun 23, 2016 19:59
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Someone should pay me 500k so that I can get fat and fight CM Punk - I'll take him down, get into an RNC position, then let him sweep me and tap to strikes.
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Jun 23, 2016 20:00
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I'll do all of that for 499k, but I'll accidentally knock him out while tapping to his armbar
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Jun 23, 2016 20:03
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1st AD posted:CM Punk is not a BJJ player, he had an online white belt from Gracie BJJ. To be fair, if your everything sucks, your weapon is whichever of the everything sucks the least.
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Jun 23, 2016 20:05
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Give me a mil and I'll let him KO me when I go to touch gloves to start the fight
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Jun 23, 2016 20:10
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1st AD posted:CM Punk is not a BJJ player, he had an online white belt from Gracie BJJ. I didn't say Punk was a grappling wizard, but I'd assume from his years of sporadic BJJ training (as well as interviews that he's given) that he would prefer to take the fight to the ground. If he'd been given a nobody with a fresh blue belt he might've stood some semblance of a fighting chance, but not against someone that's that far ahead of him, and a quick learner, to boot.
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Skjorte posted:I didn't say Punk was a grappling wizard, but I'd assume from his years of sporadic BJJ training (as well as interviews that he's given) that he would prefer to take the fight to the ground. If he'd been given a nobody with a fresh blue belt he might've stood some semblance of a fighting chance, but not against someone that's that far ahead of him, and a quick learner, to boot. A fresh blue belt would still beat Punk.
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1st AD posted:A fresh blue belt would still beat Punk. i duno about that .. he has pretty big muscles and stuff
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Punk's not a gifted athlete by any means, but of course the guy would have fighting chance against a fresh blue belt after getting special attention from a fairly high level gym for a year (plus whatever bit of white belt training he picked up the years prior).
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CM Punk might be a white belt, but when he picked it up from the gym after finishing his GracieAcademy.com registration, I bet he went an expensive gym that makes their belts out of better materials so he's definitely a good white belt.
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Huh. 203 is happening in Quicken Loans Arena, the same arena where Punk walked out of the WWE backstage. Wonder if that was intentional
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Chris James 2 posted:Huh. 203 is happening in Quicken Loans Arena, the same arena where Punk walked out of the WWE backstage. Wonder if that was intentional That seems like the kind of thing only 12 people in the world will know and care about, so I doubt it. Besides, the whole real reason they're rushing to Cleveland for the first time ever is because Stipe broke the curse.
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Bluedeanie posted:That seems like the kind of thing only 12 people in the world will know and care about, so I doubt it. Besides, the whole real reason they're rushing to Cleveland for the first time ever is because Stipe broke the curse. i am a dorkus and sent all things considered a correction because they said the cavs championship was clevelands first "professional sports title" since the browns
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Chris James 2 posted:Huh. 203 is happening in Quicken Loans Arena, the same arena where Punk walked out of the WWE backstage. Wonder if that was intentional Yeah dude maybe.
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Jun 23, 2016 23:26
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I can't wait for this fight to be over then instead of 100 pages saying punk will get destroyed we can get 100 pages of why punk was destroyed.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjKHQeRSvjk Looking forward to Kool Keith's MMA debut
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Optimist with doubt posted:I can't wait for this fight to be over then instead of 100 pages saying punk will get destroyed we can get 100 pages of why punk was destroyed. "He got punched really hard. That is why he lost"
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Tato posted:Well, Drax went from selling 49,601 copies with issue #1 to selling 11,259 copies with issue #7. Given that Marvel cancels almost anything below 20,000 that doesn't sell a bunch of trades, I think CM Punk will have even more time to devote to MMA in the future. Jerusalem posted:Just make every issue #1, problem solved! Tato posted:Hello I work for Marvel comics and think this idea is brilliant, how soon can you start Jerusalem posted:Sorry, DC already hired me to entirely revamp their entire range of comics and take the company in an entirely new direction.... so I'll be available for hire again in about 3 months. Nice to see mainstream comics haven't learned a goddamn thing since I stopped following them after Grant Morrison left X-Men. I'll just stick to my pretentious Fantagraphics and Drawn + Quarterly graphic novels, thank you very much  To make this post about Punk: I don't think he will win but I respect him for trying.
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i mean, they didn't have to learn anything the whole movie industry is based around them now
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the book part of comics is certainly shifting to second fiddle to counting massive stacks of cinema money. I mean who has time to write/draw comics when you're counting out those numbers?
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I'm curious, it seems like everyone is convinced Punk is going to get the poo poo kicked out of him. I believe it, but I'm not sure I understand the entirety of the reasoning. Here's what I get: * He's significantly older than his opponent * He has a longer injury history than his opponent * He has less experience than his opponent * Young and hungry guy against a rich hobbyist dude Obviously, all of those things point to Punk losing. Is there anything else (like training videos of Punk obviously sucking), or is it as simple as that? I haven't followed this at all and I kind of expected opinion to be more split about how the match would go. I'm not a mixed martial arts guy, though, so I probably put more stake in the puncher's chance idea than is merited by the facts.
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Biggest thing is that his opponent has been training for years longer than Punk and he's already proven himself to an extent as not being totally useless. Punk's had less than 2 years dedicated training, plus his age, banged up body and lack of aptitude mean it's a near certainty he'll get crushed, on paper.
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surf rock posted:I'm curious, it seems like everyone is convinced Punk is going to get the poo poo kicked out of him. I believe it, but I'm not sure I understand the entirety of the reasoning. Here's what I get: Well in reality its not as one sided as people here are making it seem, hes only around a 2.5 to 1 underdog so on the books people are giving him about a 30 percent chance to win, it wouldnt be that shocking if he won But yeah you basically have all of the points, fighting is hard and not everyone takes to it, and the indications are that CM punk is not really a natural. I dont think there have been videos of him sucking but theres been no videos of him training and looking decent either which there definitely would be, to hype the fight, if he didnt suck
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surf rock posted:I'm curious, it seems like everyone is convinced Punk is going to get the poo poo kicked out of him. I believe it, but I'm not sure I understand the entirety of the reasoning. Here's what I get: Aside from minor details like CM Punk being old, injured, and inexperienced?
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Keg posted:Aside from minor details like CM Punk being old, injured, and inexperienced? It's reasonable that people would assume those issues aren't that important if the major mma company is allowing him to fight in spite of them.
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Jun 26, 2016 23:45
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Well they also let James Toney fight a former heavyweight champion, so...
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Jun 26, 2016 23:54
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That isn't what anyone means when they talk about fighters being old and injured. Except for hot brain.
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DannoMack posted:It's reasonable that people would assume those issues aren't that important if the major mma company is allowing him to fight in spite of them. It means less in a post Bellator 149 world and a company that still books JDS
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I'm not saying they aren't important, just that it isn't unreasonable for a casual watcher to think "these things I think would be major problems for someone like him must not be that bad because the ufc obviously knows more than I do!"
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surf rock posted:I'm curious, it seems like everyone is convinced Punk is going to get the poo poo kicked out of him. I believe it, but I'm not sure I understand the entirety of the reasoning. Here's what I get: It's more just the fact that he's attempting to train himself to a legitimately competitive level in a professional sport based on 18 months' training with no particular background or physical advantage, and they don't seem willing to have made his opponent an obvious can in the same way that Mickey Rourke got to beat up a hobo for money I think it's commendable that he wants to be a grown-up and have real fights against people who weren't C-level actors in the 90s, but hell, imagine for a minute someone seriously trying to do the same thing with pro boxing and you immediately start to see how difficult a task it's going to be for him
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I really want CM Punk to be a secret fighting expert and become the greatest of all time
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triplexpac posted:I really want CM Punk to be a secret fighting expert and become the greatest of all time even if he possessed the skills, he'd still probably need a better camp/coach than the remnants of Duke Roufus.
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