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Talkc posted:
Are you me holy poo poo Also is anyone else who doesn't own the biker heist having issues on music not playing when I join a public lobby
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BillmasterCozb posted:sociopath is objectively better imo but yeah infiltrator is good People like to make comparisons between the two decks because they both have health on melee but they're rather different. Infiltrator gets you a load of DR and really doesn't promote anything more than the occasional weak melee, the health on melee hit is large but has a 20-second cooldown. Sociopath really encourages you to get close and go nuts with the smaller health reward and 2-second cooldown. If you play infiltrator like you should be playing sociopath you're gonna have a bad time. Dr Cheeto fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Jun 23, 2016 23:14
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John Murdoch posted:To be fair, the context in which they were introduced, and several choices regarding their implementation were and are still pretty bad, even if they were never actually the Pay2Win game ruining evil that Reddit/SPUF insisted they were. The timing was the worst part of it all, combining it with a massive weapon rebalance that made little sense and, at the time, invalidated a significant chunk of DLC weapons. Most of the gaps have been closed with the new skill system and the shotgun buffs. My other gripe - where it clogs the card drops - appears to be fixed because I was just grinding Jewelry Store for a drop and didn't get one, then still had a Biker safe show up in my Steam inventory.
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Jun 23, 2016 23:23
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ClonedPickle posted:The OP is actually kept pretty well up to date but after the skill rebalance you can pretty much just skill into whatever you want. There are very few trap skills (Dire Need is still a trap skill  Boy, is it just me or is that de_rats Lab map a real piece of junk?
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) and the latest patch should have fixed most of the broken skills. If you're worried about being maximally effective, spec into a defensive tree (Tank for ICTV or Artful Dodger for dodging, or a mix of both for light vest) that melds well with whatever perk deck you want, specialize in a weapon tree (pistols, shotguns, single-shot rifles, or automatic weapons - the latter two have a few overlapping skills), upgrade a deployable of your choice, and then grab whatever else you want. Most of the quality of life skills that were mandatory to get before are now just freebies that you have at level 0.
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RoadCrewWorker posted:Great to hear, thanks. I'm just loving around on normal/hard solo mode for now (stuck on phone internet) and it feels a bit like 80% of the challenge is working around the AI. Kinda intense in its own awkward way, more so since i'm playing half of the new heists blind. Lab Rats is a gimmick Halloween map. It really sucks trying to get a good pay day on that map.
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RoadCrewWorker posted:Boy, is it just me or is that de_rats Lab map a real piece of junk? It's absolutely nuts and unforgiving on deathwish but it's actually one of my favorites. Run it with some goons, solo is hell. Pro tip: if you land on one of the three folded cushions you won't take any fall damage.
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John Murdoch posted:To be fair, the context in which they were introduced, and several choices regarding their implementation were and are still pretty bad, even if they were never actually the Pay2Win game ruining evil that Reddit/SPUF insisted they were. I think so much of it had to do with the combination of the challenge and it being day one. The final challenge of The Road To Crimefest was ridiculously grindy and I think we almost missed the deadline by like a few hours. Then Crimefest starts, and we find out that what we earned for that challenge was the opportunity to pay $2.50 for a pockmarked, genuinely ugly-looking skin for a gun you may not use. It was this self-congratulatory start to the event that kind of ended up poisoning the whole stupid thing. If we had gotten some more free content before that, or if Overkill had been like "YOU PLAYED THE AFTERSHOCK HEIST, NOW YOU GET TO SEE WHAT'S INSIDE," there still would have been making GBS threads but not as badly. Granted, though, they probably wanted to push that out at the highest hype point to look good for their investors for various reasons. It could have been handled a lot better, P.R.-wise, though.
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Jun 24, 2016 00:05
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RoadCrewWorker posted:Great to hear, thanks. I'm just loving around on normal/hard solo mode for now (stuck on phone internet) and it feels a bit like 80% of the challenge is working around the AI. Kinda intense in its own awkward way, more so since i'm playing half of the new heists blind. Bear in mind the whole game is designed from the ground up for co-op. Play with others as soon as you can.
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Plan Z posted:I think so much of it had to do with the combination of the challenge and it being day one. The final challenge of The Road To Crimefest was ridiculously grindy and I think we almost missed the deadline by like a few hours. Then Crimefest starts, and we find out that what we earned for that challenge was the opportunity to pay $2.50 for a pockmarked, genuinely ugly-looking skin for a gun you may not use. It was this self-congratulatory start to the event that kind of ended up poisoning the whole stupid thing. If we had gotten some more free content before that, or if Overkill had been like "YOU PLAYED THE AFTERSHOCK HEIST, NOW YOU GET TO SEE WHAT'S INSIDE," there still would have been making GBS threads but not as badly. Yeah. I love Overkill and Payday dearly, but goddamn was that launch a loving trainwreck. It's not really shocking that a lot of people felt alienated.
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Holy poo poo you guys I just remembered Goldfarb. Remember Goldfarb?
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RandallODim posted:Holy poo poo you guys I just remembered Goldfarb. I remember when Payday was just like Dark Souls!
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Jun 24, 2016 00:24
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RandallODim posted:Holy poo poo you guys I just remembered Goldfarb. I still get emails from him. His new company isn't talking about their first game yet, but they do sell merchandise, including a t-shirt with Goldfarb's cat on it. Let's see what goldfarb is up to: https://twitter.com/locust9/status/746005004398510080 Hard at work.  Fun Goldfarb Fact: He voices the guy on the phone in Framing Frame day 2. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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really, because I have a long-standing opinion of disliking that smug fucker on the phone. Is that really Goldfarb? 
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Dr Cheeto posted:People like to make comparisons between the two decks because they both have health on melee but they're rather different. Infiltrator gets you a load of DR and really doesn't promote anything more than the occasional weak melee, the health on melee hit is large but has a 20-second cooldown. Sociopath really encourages you to get close and go nuts with the smaller health reward and 2-second cooldown. I think this is p.accurate. I like to play Infiltrator with shotguns, getting close and then taking cover, striking out occasionally with melee to get that hunk of health back. It's much more measured and deliberate I think than Sociopath, which might be better or worse depending on your play style.
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Psion posted:really, because I have a long-standing opinion of disliking that smug fucker on the phone. Is that really Goldfarb? Yes.
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Plan Z posted:I think so much of it had to do with the combination of the challenge and it being day one. The final challenge of The Road To Crimefest was ridiculously grindy and I think we almost missed the deadline by like a few hours. Then Crimefest starts, and we find out that what we earned for that challenge was the opportunity to pay $2.50 for a pockmarked, genuinely ugly-looking skin for a gun you may not use. It was this self-congratulatory start to the event that kind of ended up poisoning the whole stupid thing. If we had gotten some more free content before that, or if Overkill had been like "YOU PLAYED THE AFTERSHOCK HEIST, NOW YOU GET TO SEE WHAT'S INSIDE," there still would have been making GBS threads but not as badly. Most of that is bridge under the water now, but there's still one small aftershock: You can still get skins for guns from a DLC you don't own, making them useless unless you fork over more money. I know this isn't a concern for anyone in the thread, but it's still kinda dumb nevertheless.
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Discendo Vox posted:Yes. My whole world has been changed by this discovery.
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It's been a while since I played this game. Went on a drought when friends couldn't play regularly, then Overkill seemed to have lost its mind with the pay-2-unlock safes. But I heard they found their mind again, and they finally FINALLY revamped the skill tree. So I thought I'd re-download this again. And oh my god these skill trees are actually amazing!  Has the Paygoon community jumped onto the Discord bandwagon or are we still mostly using the steam group?
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Dr Cheeto posted:Pro tip: if you land on one of the three folded cushions you won't take any fall damage. Sometimes. The one closest to the meth still kills me like 25% of the time when landed on for no visible reason.
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Dr Cheeto posted:It's absolutely nuts and unforgiving on deathwish but it's actually one of my favorites. Run it with some goons, solo is hell. While not one of my favorites I think this map has a worse reputation than deserved. If it came with a bit more instructions & maybe even a pre-planning map this could easily be way more fun for beginner & intermediate players... Instead we get a great big "  is this do I do??" & without any proper briefing you're DOA.
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Inevitable steam sale question, is this game worth $5 bucks? Moreover, is the GOTY pack worth $12.50?
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Inevitable steam sale question, is this game worth $5 bucks? Moreover, is the GOTY pack worth $12.50? Easily. We're all biased in here, but if you like co-op shooters and want to slaughter legions of cops, well...
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Inevitable steam sale question, is this game worth $5 bucks? Moreover, is the GOTY pack worth $12.50? Yes and go with GOTY pack. Somebody in this thread (maybe OP) has a list of best to worst DLCs if you want to add on after that E: yes, in the OP
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What primary shotguns do people recommend? I've got all of them except the most recent one from the Biker DLC.
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Got my first biker safe and my first biker drop! loving Sweet
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Gilg posted:What primary shotguns do people recommend? I've got all of them except the most recent one from the Biker DLC. I reccomend the Raven from the Shotgun Pack, the Stakeout automatic shotgun from the BBQ pack, and a cut-down mosconi. Keep in mind that there's no reason not to take 000 buckshot ammunition
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Gilg posted:What primary shotguns do people recommend? I've got all of them except the most recent one from the Biker DLC. I usually do a Mosconi with the short barrel and long stock and some flechette ammo.
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BillmasterCozb posted:I reccomend the Raven from the Shotgun Pack, the Stakeout automatic shotgun from the BBQ pack, and a cut-down mosconi. Keep in mind that there's no reason not to take 000 buckshot ammunition Reasons not to take 000: Explosions are fun. Sniping is fun setting fools on fire is fun Reasons to take 000: AP slug sucks
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Waroduce posted:did you inv me Did you get it from marv? Show me your steam ID and I'll send you one if I didn't.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Inevitable steam sale question, is this game worth $5 bucks? Moreover, is the GOTY pack worth $12.50? Yes, and yes. You can shout people back to life, steal REALLY crazy stuff, fight Tom Clancy reject cops, cause cops to freak out at you using a mg42(modded to look like a star wars gun) to replace air with bullets, launch rpg's at bomb-suited shotgun stompy guys, be Ron Perlman, wear anime masks with golden war paint, and SET EVERYTHING ON FIRE. BillmasterCozb posted:I reccomend the Raven from the Shotgun Pack, the Stakeout automatic shotgun from the BBQ pack, and a cut-down mosconi. Keep in mind that there's no reason not to take 000 buckshot ammunition Is there a reason I can't use turrets? I can plop them down in the safehouse if I have ammo, but I spent a Four Stores just trying to put down one turret, to no avail.
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I go adventuring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W63dHf97GFs
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Shadowed Bacon posted:Yes, and yes. You can shout people back to life, steal REALLY crazy stuff, fight Tom Clancy reject cops, cause cops to freak out at you using a mg42(modded to look like a star wars gun) to replace air with bullets, launch rpg's at bomb-suited shotgun stompy guys, be Ron Perlman, wear anime masks with golden war paint, and SET EVERYTHING ON FIRE. Could be a couple of reasons. Could be a bug, obviously. Could be that you didn't have enough ammo. Could be that you were still in casing mode or something in Four Stores, pretty sure you can't drop a turret until the map goes loud. Re:Primary shotguns, Joceline is my go-to shotgun. It does a fuckoff amount of damage and is surprisingly accurate. That being said, be careful with it, because in PD2 it's possible for a shotgun to be too accurate.
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Talkc posted:Got my first biker safe and my first biker drop! I love that skin so much, it's ugly as all hell but the name and design is a reference to a big part of Swedish culture. In a way where 15 year old boys are trying way too hard to be cool by making mopeds go way too fast and spray-painting them. Everyone finds them extremely obnoxious because they drive really poorly, they're extremely loud, and the people are very annoying but it's been a thing for as long as me (or my parents for that matter) can remember. Yes, I was one of them during the spring/summer when I was 15. Shadowed Bacon posted:mosconi for just the low-detection. Use the U/O Josie with the ammo stock if you don't care about detection (The cut down Mosconi has way more spread than a Jocelyn and reloads oh so slightly faster, the ammo bonus from the pouch is not really worth that much since you'll be getting one or two ammo boxes per trigger pull.) watho fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Gilg posted:What primary shotguns do people recommend? I've got all of them except the most recent one from the Biker DLC. Reiterating what others have said. Mosconi/Joceline - both are amazing cop-dropper. Mosconi is better for concealed builds, Joceline has a deeper ammo pool for when you don't care. Raven's solid all-around. Steakout is good and I find it super-hilarious with a silenced shotguns build.
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Shadowed Bacon posted:Is there a reason I can't use turrets? I can plop them down in the safehouse if I have ammo, but I spent a Four Stores just trying to put down one turret, to no avail. I don't know the exact restrictions on turrets, but basically, you can only place a turret if you have a) more than a mag's worth of ammo, and b) enough to fill the turret. Consequently, it's likely that you just didn't have enough ammo to deploy the turret. Try switching weapons or picking up some ammo.
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Should I ask for an invite to the Steam group here or in group chat? e: Also, I just bought this game and failed miserably at my first heist but I'll try to get better. e2: My Steam name is Grapeaid Regrettable fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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chairface posted:There's a skill that increases the concealment of vests, and ones that makes silencers improve rather than reduce concealment on guns. Then you slap on the equivalent melee weapon concealment boost skill and you wind up able to wear HBV or below still at 3 detection. It's not exactly USEFUL to have armor in stealth but what the hell.
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Man, I came back to my infamy whatever high level dude and even with level appropriate rooms turned off, practically every game is Overkill and Deathwish. Game please, I'm not anywhere near this decent anymore. 
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Talkc posted:Reasons not to take 000: I meant that there's no reason not to take 000 over no special ammunition 
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