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If the game designer is not a self-disciplined individual, like for example TobyFox, cactus or Pixel, every larger project may become a mess without supervising of producer. That's how all the Daikatanas and Kingdom of Amalur end up being such failures despite being pumped full of money and talent.
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People poo poo on the idea of game publishers, but I do feel like having that external accountability to someone is really important, even if it sometimes means compromising on vision. Crowdsourcing bypasses that accountability completely. You don't even have to have a business plan, just make an idea go viral.
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Not only that, publishers are potentially more reasonable when economic reality messes up plans. Like internally, the writing had to be on the wall for the quality of the project from all the porting work. A publisher that wanted to see return on investment, or at least minimise excessive loss, might've pushed the project towards something more sustainable, less all in than what they did. As it stands they went for a Hail Mary and rolled up with a mediocre game competing on platforms where the same price point will get you a far better game. I doubt they'll recoup nearly as much from post release sales as they hoped going in, certainly no performance like Shovel Knight did.
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Xandu posted:People poo poo on the idea of game publishers, but I do feel like having that external accountability to someone is really important, even if it sometimes means compromising on vision. Crowdsourcing bypasses that accountability completely. You don't even have to have a business plan, just make an idea go viral. Editors, publishers, and other external forces that can affect the creative process are double edged swords for this reason. If they're actually working with the creators they can help rein in ambition that could potentially disrupt the development process. If they're too heavy handed, however, they can undermine progress, force through bad design decisions, or do any number of things that can ruin a project. Although one of my favorite RPGs of 2015, as well as the series it's part of, were both KS produced so it can work. Personally, I don't back game kickstarters, even if I'm interested in the games, because I always have low expectations or just would rather wait and see. I can probably name everything I've preordered too, for that same reason.
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I want to see when happens when you do the motion when the thing is still in the dog's mouth. Also, what happens when somebody inevitably chucks their phone across the room.
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Jun 23, 2016 14:31
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This is literally the worst thing.
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Jun 23, 2016 14:34
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SpacePig posted:what happens when somebody inevitably chucks their phone across the room. it will break things
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Jun 23, 2016 15:01
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Or just buy one of the countless suitable remote control toys if you really want to do this.
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People playing a scary game alone at night when something starts bumping around in the background. There are no scary games on the wii
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SpacePig posted:I want to see what happens when somebody inevitably chucks their phone across the room. The dog fetches it, obviously.
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Remember that Star Trek fanfilm that got Kickstarted and was sued after they did a bunch of stupid poo poo like paying the director a $35k salary and selling Star Trek branded coffee? While the lawsuit was dropped, it forced CBS/Paramount to create official guidelines for fan productions. Anaxar has destroyed Star Trek fanfilms.
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Jun 23, 2016 20:58
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I thought the lawsuit wasn't actually dropped, it was just JJ Abrams tweeting that because of reasons.
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Jun 23, 2016 21:09
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Paladinus posted:This is literally the worst thing. No, the worst thing was that giant tongue for licking your cat. Still makes me retch just thinking about it.
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KiddieGrinder posted:I thought the lawsuit wasn't actually dropped, it was just JJ Abrams tweeting that because of reasons. Yeah they were actually only in negotiations to settle.
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Veotax posted:Remember that Star Trek fanfilm that got Kickstarted and was sued after they did a bunch of stupid poo poo like paying the director a $35k salary and selling Star Trek branded coffee? While the lawsuit was dropped, it forced CBS/Paramount to create official guidelines for fan productions. I didn't read those guidelines until now but,  that's pretty restrictive. The 15-30 minute time limit for productions is pretty unfair and the guideline that about actors is really, almost unnecessarily restrictive. It used to be fan films were done to pad out portfolios and demo reels and I'm sure that still happens, so while I view the whole thing about using actors associated with previous Star Trek productions as something appropriate, requiring that actors have to be amateurs goes a bit too far. I don't have a beef with the distribution angle, especially since it's hard to claim you're doing a non-profit production when you get ad revenue from your Youtube channel or sell DVDs.I'm certain that a lot of it is designed to put Anaxar out of business, but, at the same time, it's going to wreck that whole community, so thanks Anaxar 
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Yeah, Axanar kind of buttfucked everyone by making a big part of their public defense "Well you never said anything about Continues or Phase 2" or whatever. Now all are punish'd. As a happy bonus this will also lay low that "Renegades" abortion.
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Veotax posted:Remember that Star Trek fanfilm that got Kickstarted and was sued after they did a bunch of stupid poo poo like paying the director a $35k salary and selling Star Trek branded coffee? While the lawsuit was dropped, it forced CBS/Paramount to create official guidelines for fan productions. Most of those guidelines seem pretty reasonable. The 15/30 min time limit is really unfortunate though.
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Xandu posted:Most of those guidelines seem pretty reasonable. The 15/30 min time limit is really unfortunate though. With the "nobody from official productions" restrictions, I do feel a little for the Wangs and Russ's and Koenig's and stuff who are desperate enough either for scratch or something to do that they were appearing in these.
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Jun 23, 2016 22:46
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Oh no, now people are going to have to actually create new things and will have full ownership of their creations 
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Otisburg posted:Yeah, Axanar kind of buttfucked everyone by making a big part of their public defense "Well you never said anything about Continues or Phase 2" or whatever. Now all are punish'd. the classic argument "but mom, you let me watch way worse things than this!"
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So while everyone is jaded on kickstarter from mighty no 9, I'm sitting here waiting on cans without labels to come out a good 4 years later.
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A English printing of Urotsukidoji: The Legend of the Overfiend https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/largehotcoffee/fakku-x-toshio-maeda-legend-of-the-overfiend?ref=nav_search It's awful because of that price. 40 dollars a volume is crazy
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boom boom boom posted:A English printing of Urotsukidoji: The Legend of the Overfiend From the video: "We want to introduce [this erotic japanse comic book] to a ~whole new generation~ of fans." hmm. hmmmmmm
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I'm afraid to click the link. Is it erotic vanilla, erotic kinky, or erotic just plain wrong.
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Optimist with doubt posted:So while everyone is jaded on kickstarter from mighty no 9, I'm sitting here waiting on cans without labels to come out a good 4 years later. From 2012: "The whole process will take about 7 months. It [the cartoon] will be 8-10 minutes long, which is about the same length as a Ren and Stimpy episode, but for HALF the price!" ETA: The Hentai thing is more sad than anything else. That dude is badly mistaken about the cultural and artistic merit of tentacle drawins. ShinyBirdTeeth has a new favorite as of 01:16 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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RandomPauI posted:I'm afraid to click the link. Is it erotic vanilla, erotic kinky, or erotic just plain wrong. quote:Toshio Maeda, The Tentacle Master
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the kickstarter page itself is pretty tame. there's kind of a ghost in the shell style nude-ish woman, and there's a lot of tentacles, but the tentacles aren't really going anywhere.
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Guy Mann posted:Oh no, now people are going to have to actually create new things and will have full ownership of their creations But yeah anyone making 'fan films' that's over 20 and uses words like fandom isn't going anywhere anyway which most of these people are.
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Otisburg posted:With the "nobody from official productions" restrictions, I do feel a little for the Wangs and Russ's and Koenig's and stuff who are desperate enough either for scratch or something to do that they were appearing in these. I was thinking about that as well, but I'm guessing there's always the convention circuit welfare still out there. Otisburg posted:From the video: MrMenshevik posted:ETA: The Hentai thing is more sad than anything else. That dude is badly mistaken about the cultural and artistic merit of tentacle drawins. Toshida Maeda is loving quaint compared to guys like Shintaro Kago or Waita Uziga, people whose work you can run into on the Internet now. (don't Google those names, especially Uziga).
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Young Freud posted:Toshida Maeda is loving quaint compared to guys like Shintaro Kago or Waita Uziga, people whose work you can run into on the Internet now. (don't Google those names, especially Uziga). Jesus tittyfuckin' christ I googled them.
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i would like more english printings of old manga, but if that means buying the really gross ones to demonstrate interest i will go withoutStuG Jeebus posted:Jesus tittyfuckin' christ I googled them. i hope you have learned a lesson about following instructions
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some of the Shintaro Kago comics that are so abstract you don't even realize they're porn are pretty good.
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Optimist with doubt posted:So while everyone is jaded on kickstarter from mighty no 9, I'm sitting here waiting on cans without labels to come out a good 4 years later. It's John K. We'll be waiting til he's good and ready. Hopefully it does come out, at least. e - The Goon movie was estimated to come out about the same time.
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boom boom boom posted:some of the Shintaro Kago comics that are so abstract you don't even realize they're porn are pretty good. I really didn't want to put Kago up there on the level of Uziga, since you get the impression that Kago knows he can get hosed up and will usually go through with it for the sake of humor. Uziga's hosed up in a way that he should be on police watchlists in case of children go missing. I really should have replaced Kago with that guy who made dickshitting nipples and unbirthing animations.
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Manuel Calavera posted:e - The Goon movie was estimated to come out about the same time. The Goon kickstarter was for an animated pitch to try and get a studio to fund the actual movie.
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I can sorta understand people being sad abotu a game like Mighty Number 9 because they probably think all Kickstarter games will come out as good as stuff like Divinity Original Sin or Shadownrun Returns: Dragonfall. Command Ant posted:investors' lol at unironically calling kickstarter backers "investors" for something. Xandu posted:People poo poo on the idea of game publishers, but I do feel like having that external accountability to someone is really important, even if it sometimes means compromising on vision. Crowdsourcing bypasses that accountability completely. You don't even have to have a business plan, just make an idea go viral. Coincidentally, this is also the main reason Star Citizen is such an endless trainwreck. Roberts always had his dumb "I tried to make The Dream Game with Freelancer but Microsoft wouldn't let me" argument that people bought. But if Microsoft hadn't been there to push him then the game likely would've never happened because Chris Roberts is living proof that you can spend years (or decades) in the gaming industry and still fall victim to feature creep like someone freshly hired to work on their first game. And much like Star Citizen, what he did have to show after all that time working on Freelancer was a game with some promise but a hosed up balance and a ton of things that were ultimately pointless in single player and various loose ends and unused assets/star systems/etc.
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Guy Mann posted:The Goon kickstarter was for an animated pitch to try and get a studio to fund the actual movie. Huh, so you're right. It's still being worked on as far as I can recall, rather than being finished. So my point still stands.
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Young Freud posted:Waita Uziga I remember this guy's work was like an ancient 4chan meme. The abyss, she has desensitized me. Waffleman_ has a new favorite as of 04:40 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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StuG Jeebus posted:Jesus tittyfuckin' christ I googled them. Well, I just read a manga page where a prepubescent girl cut off her own nipple and the flesh around it. I really should listen when people say "don't google this!"
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