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emanresu tnuocca posted:I actually think that's the main difference, book Miller is unlikable, he's an rear end in a top hat (although a very sympathetic one), show Miller on the other hand is very charismatic and a swell guy. I still think Miller is a prick in the show, but the actor is very charismatic so it works better.
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Yeah, I haven't read the first books in a long time so I don't know if the text supports me, but I always pictured Miller as a much more dumpy, reaching the end of his career kind of old guy. If I had to compare it to a tv character, I'd say maybe Mike from Breaking Bad. I really enjoy the show version though, so I don't have any complaints. I didn't picture Amos as so young or deceptively amiable either, but the show is doing a fantastic job with him too.
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Jun 24, 2016 07:58
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Miller definitely is older in the books and more of a general loser. Amos is perfect though, he's supposed to be very amiable while he beats you to death. From the short story about him he got off Earth pretty young, he's probably in his 20s.
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Pharmaskittle posted:Yeah, I haven't read the first books in a long time so I don't know if the text supports me, but I always pictured Miller as a much more dumpy, reaching the end of his career kind of old guy. If I had to compare it to a tv character, I'd say maybe Mike from Breaking Bad. I really enjoy the show version though, so I don't have any complaints. I didn't picture Amos as so young or deceptively amiable either, but the show is doing a fantastic job with him too. Miller's definitely supposed to be an older guy. He's described, I think, as looking like a bulldog. The Miller they've got is a bit younger and certainly more charismatic (seriously, he makes that hair look good!) I'd say this is why they changed the line about the divorce. Less of an old cop whose work destroyed his life, but a younger middle-aged cop who is only just realizing that he's destroyed his life. Amos is supposed to be older, too, and balding, if I remember right - but Wes Chatham nails the deceptively amiable quality he has, which the book points out a lot.
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I only really GOT Amos after reading the short story about him, where they really loving sold his "seriously, nobody sees this guy coming" character more than I think they ever did in any of the main books. But like I said, it's been a long time.
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Milky Moor posted:Miller's definitely supposed to be an older guy. He's described, I think, as looking like a bulldog. quote:Amos is supposed to be older, too, and balding, if I remember right Speaking of changes from the book, one tweak I'm not so sure about has to do with the landlord using cheap/bad air filters (it's in the first episode and early in the first book, so I'm not using spoiler tags). On the show, Miller threatens him to get him to use better filters in the future. It's only discussed rather than shown in the book, but in that version it's basically an open secret that Miller and/or other Star Helix cops murdered him for using bad filters. Really drives home the idea that Belters take their air and water supplies seriously.
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Jun 24, 2016 13:42
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The casting is p. much perfect except the literal whitewashing of Ade. Alex putting on the MCRN uniform and being unable to zip it because of his pot belly is 10/10
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I think Thomas Jane is fine, but making Miller a grizzled, square-jawed, six-packed hollywood generico detective feels pretty weak. I'm all for giving you more reasons to root for him, but Book Miller being an actually unstable unpleasant person makes him a lot more interesting. I've started book 2, not too far into it, but really wondering what they're going to fit into season 2 and how. Like we know Bobbi has been cast, but her stuff happening before the end of book 1 stuff seems...odd. But then again, I don't know how/if they're connected yet, so hey! It's just that given the way the show adds and stretches the book content, I suspected the climax of Leviathan's Wake would come at the END of season 2. I'm still SO MAD they didn't fit the big reveal in season 1 though. Would've made it SO much more satisfying and intriguing.
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Jun 24, 2016 13:59
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I think they can wrap LW up in like 4 episodes and have that midseason shocker that GoT is making popular.
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Jun 24, 2016 14:59
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They had a real problem with Miller in the translation from book to TV. In a book they were free to show everything from Miller's point of view. He's not aware of how far he's fallen, so they just don't show it until the penny drops. On the screen, they can't force you to ignore the clues that Miller refuses to see, so they have to either make him an oblivious loser who's somehow also a good detective, or make him less of a loser and change the arc a bit. I'm glad they bent the arc because I have no idea how you could sell the other thing.
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Tree Dude posted:I think they can wrap LW up in like 4 episodes and have that midseason shocker that GoT is making popular. Yea I can see that. Book 2 begins on episode 5 when does season 2 air btw?
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Jun 24, 2016 17:36
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All we know is early 2017.
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Jun 24, 2016 17:40
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I think the only problem is that space zombies are kinda a 2011 'thing.' As in, they were all the rage 5 years ago. So I'm glad they skipped all of that and went straight to the chaining part.
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:I think the only problem is that space zombies are kinda a 2011 'thing.' As in, they were all the rage 5 years ago. So I'm glad they skipped all of that and went straight to the chaining part. Yeah, I agree. I'm glad they skipped that stage and went right to the final product.
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Jun 24, 2016 18:10
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also, am I dumb or maybe just misread/made it up but I pictured eros to be more like like a lovely 80s mall or maybe toronto's underground city and not have as many vaulted ceilings. But thats just me.
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Jun 24, 2016 18:15
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I imagined it pretty much like it was, but less of a slum and more of an airport lounge. I vaguely remember them describing it a like hooker-and-casino city because almost everyone is on shore leave with a paycheck to burn.
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Jun 24, 2016 20:35
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Yeah the casinos were more pronounced. Like to get anywhere on Eros you had to go through what essentially were 3 casino floors like out of lovely Atlantic city casino
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Jun 24, 2016 20:51
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A place called Eros would kind of have to be full of brothels.
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Jul 4, 2016 05:09
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get to the crash couches due to the burn
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Jul 6, 2016 11:56
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Can someone please explain the following exchange from episode 8 to me? A passenger across from Joe says to him: "They say if you grew up on a station, you develop a natural agoraphobia. From living underground in the tunnels. You're not used to the wide open spaces." And then Joe responds (looking at another passenger next to him): "I'm used to this guy. He spends a lot more time working underneath things than he does on top." I've rewatched the scene several times now and it's just completely unclear to me what Joe is referring to. Underneath the space station or something? That doesn't make any sense in the context. The whole thing just feels like a complete non sequitur. Thanks to anyone who can clear this up!
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less laughter posted:Can someone please explain the following exchange from episode 8 to me? You have to remember that on asteroids like Ceres they spin it to create centrifugal gravity. So if they build the tunnels into the asteroid, down is always to space, and up is always to the middle of the asteroid. At least thats my take on it. I don't remember that scene though.
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Jul 9, 2016 19:18
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less laughter posted:"I'm used to this guy. He spends a lot more time working underneath things than he does on top." I agree. I have no idea what those two lines are supposed to mean. Who is the guy? What about him are you used to? Working underneath what? This show is pretty much perfect IMO so if I can just get this little box ticked I will be super happy.
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Jul 9, 2016 22:11
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Anyone got an approximate timestamp for the conversation?
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Jul 10, 2016 00:41
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I thought he was making a joke at the sleeping guy's expense.
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Grand Fromage posted:I still think Miller is a prick in the show, but the actor is very charismatic so it works better. charismatic enough to get away with wearing a space fedora.
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Toast Museum posted:Anyone got an approximate timestamp for the conversation? 2:33
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Thanks! Fister Roboto posted:I thought he was making a joke at the sleeping guy's expense. Sounds like it to me, too. If I recall correctly, cheap transports keep things calm-ish by being free-handed with drugs. He might be calling the guy an addict, which would explain the bit about being used to guys like him. It's an oddly phrased exchange, in any case.
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Jul 10, 2016 06:34
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Maybe he means that he's used to working with people that have agoraphobia but as a member of Star Helix he goes to the top frequently and doesn't have agoraphobia? It's awkwardly worded in any event.
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He's making fun of the guy because he looks and smells like a manual laborer, the kind who works below ground/machines/whatever. The very next line is Miller being grossed out by his "ear hygiene." It's a space joke (As well as Miller subtly telling the Mormon to leave him alone)
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Jul 10, 2016 18:06
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Are they not just joking the guy is a bottom? :itisasexjoke:
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Jul 10, 2016 21:04
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I'm sad that Space Mormon comedy club didn't show up as a season extra
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Read the first book, loved it and dove immediately in to the second. Finished that in a few days and read the third and found it kinda disappointing. Now I'm ten pages into the fourth book and I haven't opened it on my kindle since last week. Anyone else feel like the quality dipped with 3? Don't get me wrong, it was still a good book but it lost the momentum of the first two.
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hottubrhymemachine posted:Read the first book, loved it and dove immediately in to the second. Finished that in a few days and read the third and found it kinda disappointing. Now I'm ten pages into the fourth book and I haven't opened it on my kindle since last week. Anyone else feel like the quality dipped with 3? Books three and especially four tend not to be people's favorites. If you push through, you'll probably enjoy the fifth book a good deal more.
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Just finished watching the first season, did they ever expand on why Holden likes to put matchstick head dust into his coffee? I saw that the navigator he was schtupping introduced him to it but they never really expounded on why.
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FetusSlapper posted:Just finished watching the first season, did they ever expand on why Holden likes to put matchstick head dust into his coffee? I saw that the navigator he was schtupping introduced him to it but they never really expounded on why. Makes it taste less like poo poo iirc. I think she said something like reduces acidity and balances the pH
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Makes it taste less like poo poo iirc. I think she said something like reduces acidity and balances the pH Anyone tried it? I worked in a place with spectacularly bad coffee and we used to put salt packets in with the grinds to make it taste less bitter. Seemed to help.
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Pixelante posted:Anyone tried it? I worked in a place with spectacularly bad coffee and we used to put salt packets in with the grinds to make it taste less bitter. Seemed to help. Sulfur seems like the last thing you want to add to something to make it taste better. Then again the Finns seem adamant about their lutefisk; but that is lye, not sulfur. I thought maybe it was like the old at a pinch of salt to a cup of coffee brewed by the bureaucratic standard but it kind of came off like he was weening himself off of some kind of future heroin or something. Why was it such a personal thing? I'm defiantly reading way to much into a brief moment of a sci-fi space opera.
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