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neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx
Short answer is not really.

Long answer is, there are various degrees of film texture that you can get. None of them are that rough because it compromises screen visibility too much. The roughest texture you can buy is still way smoother than the smoothest paper.

There is a company that will send you a sample envelope of all the textures of film they sell so you can try them out. I don't have the company name in front of me at the moment but I will post it later.

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Battle Pigeon
Nov 7, 2011

I am dancing potato
give me millet


Does anyone else like or even prefer the smooth tablet (either kind) surfaces? I went from a Wacom Graphire4 to an Intuos5, and after hearing so many complaints about the texture wearing nibs down, I put one of these on before ever using it: https://www.amazon.co.uk/atFoliX-Screen-Protection-INTUOS5-Protector/dp/B00BR1XY8Q/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

It's been around five months of daily use and the pen nib is still basically as new, and I really don't mind the smoothness at all, but maybe it's just because it's what I'm used to

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I prefer the flat glass screen on my tablet monitor over the textured cintiq screens, I also preferred inking with a brush on smooth Bristol for traditional art so that probably has something to do with it, I put paper on my old bamboo tablet just because the plastic felt so lovely and scratched so quick

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

[-]
The Lazy Nezumi plugin for photoshop is nuts, night and day difference in lines.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
yet another reason Clip Studio is superior for drawing :toot:

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
When they added animation support it meant i could finally stop importing poo poo from ms to photoshop to make gifs and that was really nice

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


Koramei posted:

yet another reason Clip Studio is superior for drawing :toot:

Agreed, but there are some things in LN that Clip Studio can learn from it looks like. It seems that the rulers are far easier to reposition for one.

sigma 6
Nov 27, 2004

the mirror would do well to reflect further

Can someone point me to a reliable review comparing the Cintiq Companion 2 with the MS Surface Book? I can't seem to find much online but I believe the consensus of this thread is that the MS Surface Book is better... (?)

Is this mostly due to the screen? Seems like the stylus and tooth on the screen are better on the Cintiq but the actual display / screen is not as good as the Ipad or the Surface Book.

Really having a hard time deciding between the Cintiq Companion 2 and the Surface Book. They are close to the same price point once you add the Nvidia GPU to the Surface Book.

EDIT:

Clip Studio is on sale today for 20$

http://www.clipstudio.net/en/site/aplinfo/csp/net_pr_new

sigma 6 fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jun 23, 2016

neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx
I have not owned either, but here is what I know from a technical specs standpoint:

Cintiq Companion:
- stylus supports tilt
- has hardware ExpressKeys
- crappy battery life
- textured screen surface
- very little sign of robust support on the part of the manufacturer. They have abandoned earlier models, so beware of that.
- very wide aspect ratio for the screen (more widescreen)

Surface Book:
- non Wacom stylus, so the cursor can lag when hovering. Still some issues with jittery lines when working very slowly and tightly.
- there have been some complaints about power/sleep issues and MS has been slow to fix them
- very slick screen
- detachable keyboard, but you can't use it when the screen is detached (it doesn't do wireless)

sigma 6
Nov 27, 2004

the mirror would do well to reflect further

neonnoodle posted:

I have not owned either, but here is what I know from a technical specs standpoint:

Cintiq Companion:
- stylus supports tilt
- has hardware ExpressKeys
- crappy battery life
- textured screen surface
- very little sign of robust support on the part of the manufacturer. They have abandoned earlier models, so beware of that.
- very wide aspect ratio for the screen (more widescreen)

Surface Book:
- non Wacom stylus, so the cursor can lag when hovering. Still some issues with jittery lines when working very slowly and tightly.
- there have been some complaints about power/sleep issues and MS has been slow to fix them
- very slick screen
- detachable keyboard, but you can't use it when the screen is detached (it doesn't do wireless)

Thanks for this breakdown. The Surface Book has a notably longer battery life however the GPU is in the keyboard portion... AFAIK. So once the surfacebook becomes a tablet, you remove the Nvidia GPU which I would want for Zbrush. WTF? Seems like there are distinct pros and cons to both.

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

sigma 6 posted:

Thanks for this breakdown. The Surface Book has a notably longer battery life however the GPU is in the keyboard portion... AFAIK. So once the surfacebook becomes a tablet, you remove the Nvidia GPU which I would want for Zbrush. WTF? Seems like there are distinct pros and cons to both.

There is no physical button to disconnect the base from the screen either. It's a god drat software lock that controls a physical locking mechanism in the device, because you can't just rip a video card out of a motherboard. That should tell you all you need to know about how well that thing was """designed""".

sigma 6
Nov 27, 2004

the mirror would do well to reflect further

What gets me is the crazy hinge and apparent GAP WHEN IT IS CLOSED. Really? Why would you create a laptop or hybrid which has any gap there?

This kind of stuff does not make choosing between the Cintiq Companion 2 and the Surface Book any easier. The Cintiq is designed with artists in mind but has shortcomings like the cost, the questionable screen quality and relatively short battery life. The Surface Book seems better all around but doesn't really seemed to be designed for artists... Also - there are VERY few 3d artists I know who work without any keyboard.

Guess I could get something like this for the companion vs. hauling around a fullsize USB keyboard.

*sigh*

neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx
Want to hear something kind of gross? Almost all the "serious" artists I know/follow on social media are getting iPads Pro. :gay:

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


Heads up: Clip Studio Paint is on sale for $20

Andrigaar
Dec 12, 2003
Saint of Killers

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

Heads up: Clip Studio Paint is on sale for $20

It's $87 for the ultra-deluxe ex version (instead of $220). But wasn't this also the Manga/Clip Studio where the changes were so minimal the EX was barely needed?

squirrelzipper
Nov 2, 2011

neonnoodle posted:

Want to hear something kind of gross? Almost all the "serious" artists I know/follow on social media are getting iPads Pro. :gay:

Ew. Why would anyone get a large screen tablet with a great pen that has software like procreate? Gawd I hate those appletards.

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

Andrigaar posted:

It's $87 for the ultra-deluxe ex version (instead of $220). But wasn't this also the Manga/Clip Studio where the changes were so minimal the EX was barely needed?

EX gets you comic sequence capabilities and being able to animate more than 12 (or 24, whatever) frames in animation mode.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
it also gets you some sick anime classrooms and schoolgirls to pose

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

Futaba Anzu posted:

EX gets you comic sequence capabilities and being able to animate more than 12 (or 24, whatever) frames in animation mode.

Do they have any upgrade option from normal to ex, I am considering getting it just for those features

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Koramei posted:

it also gets you some sick anime classrooms and schoolgirls to pose

I hope they get better soon

TVGM
Mar 17, 2005

"It is not moral, it is not acceptable, and it is not sustainable that the top one-tenth of 1 percent now owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent"

Yam Slacker

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

Heads up: Clip Studio Paint is on sale for $20

Dang, just bought this on the 22nd. Any hope in asking for a refund then repurchasing?

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

sigma 6 posted:

Can someone point me to a reliable review comparing the Cintiq Companion 2 with the MS Surface Book?

I own a Cintiq Companion 2, a 27QHD, owned a 24HD and an 13HD. I also own a Surface Pro 4.

I do not draw on the Surface because pen texture. If you like drawing on Wacom, even the nondisplay tablets, you won't like the Surface (probably), and that's all there is to that.

Use both. You are the only one who can decide.

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

sigma 6 posted:

What gets me is the crazy hinge and apparent GAP WHEN IT IS CLOSED. Really? Why would you create a laptop or hybrid which has any gap there?

This kind of stuff does not make choosing between the Cintiq Companion 2 and the Surface Book any easier. The Cintiq is designed with artists in mind but has shortcomings like the cost, the questionable screen quality and relatively short battery life. The Surface Book seems better all around but doesn't really seemed to be designed for artists... Also - there are VERY few 3d artists I know who work without any keyboard.

Guess I could get something like this for the companion vs. hauling around a fullsize USB keyboard.

*sigh*

I own the older version of that, the Razer Nostromo. It's a pretty awesome idea since you can hold that thing upside down cupped in your hand, and sit your tablet on it, but after a few hours the angle I was holding my wrist at would begin to bother me. The plastic pad you put your palm on has 2 adjustment levels to push it a bit further out but nothing to adjust the actual tilt your wrist sits at since it's designed for desk use. 15 minutes on my 3d printer could probably fix that though.

I have seperate profiles for Zbrush and Photoshop, basic CTRL, ALT, SPACE, a couple letters, you can program it to do macros as well, it just mimics a keyboard you hold in your palm. All the XtReMe LEDs can be disabled as well.

sigma 6
Nov 27, 2004

the mirror would do well to reflect further

bring back old gbs posted:

I own the older version of that, the Razer Nostromo. It's a pretty awesome idea since you can hold that thing upside down cupped in your hand, and sit your tablet on it, but after a few hours the angle I was holding my wrist at would begin to bother me. The plastic pad you put your palm on has 2 adjustment levels to push it a bit further out but nothing to adjust the actual tilt your wrist sits at since it's designed for desk use. 15 minutes on my 3d printer could probably fix that though.

I have seperate profiles for Zbrush and Photoshop, basic CTRL, ALT, SPACE, a couple letters, you can program it to do macros as well, it just mimics a keyboard you hold in your palm. All the XtReMe LEDs can be disabled as well.

Interesting idea holding it upside down but that sounds like a RSI nightmare. I think I would rather get an Evoluent vertical mouse, which has a lot of programmable buttons but won't destroy your arm.

Still - the Razer sounds pretty cool. Wish it was easier for me to try all of these things out. I was impressed with the Cintiq Companion when I had the chance to try it out but I haven't had a chance to try out the Surface products yet.

... and yes I know people who really like the Apple Ipad Pro / Apple Pencil but I am interested in using the tablet for 3d sculpting as much as I am painting.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


windex posted:

I own a Cintiq Companion 2, a 27QHD, owned a 24HD and an 13HD. I also own a Surface Pro 4.

I do not draw on the Surface because pen texture. If you like drawing on Wacom, even the nondisplay tablets, you won't like the Surface (probably), and that's all there is to that.

Use both. You are the only one who can decide.

I wish I could try a Cintiq, but I honestly cannot think of a single UK store that would have one on display.

Re: Textured screen protectors from a few days back, you can buy the one used on the Artisul D13 separate for twenty bucks.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jun 25, 2016

Andrigaar
Dec 12, 2003
Saint of Killers

Futaba Anzu posted:

EX gets you comic sequence capabilities and being able to animate more than 12 (or 24, whatever) frames in animation mode.
Meh, I suck at drawing anyway.

Koramei posted:

it also gets you some sick anime classrooms and schoolgirls to pose
Nevermind. Now maybe senpai will notice me!

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

I wish I could try a Cintiq, but I honestly cannot think of a single UK store that would have one on display.

Re: Textured screen protectors from a few days back, you can buy the one used on the Artisul D13 separate for twenty bucks.

The best way I have to describe the difference is that the Wacom tablets including Cintiq are more like drawing with a pencil on paper and drawing on the Surface is more like drawing with a felt tipped marker on a soft surface like velvet.

The pencil/paper Wacom feel gives more control and for me, more consistent lines. The Surface is kind of blah.

I really can only barely tell the difference between drawing on Cintiq and non-display Wacom's. The primary difference is that you get WYSIWYG with the Cintiq. The Surface is WYSIWYG but the drawing.. it reminds me of these things.

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

[-]
Really enjoying the ipad. Not a replacement for a workstation but definitely a must have for people who are go. I can now work 8-10 hours per day and transfer my files in between devices so there's no workflow interruption, so now I have more time to focus on doing studies and practicing. Pretty satisfied so far, only gripe is that there's no physical buttons and the screen is a little smooth for me.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Teflon Don posted:

Really enjoying the ipad. Not a replacement for a workstation but definitely a must have for people who are go. I can now work 8-10 hours per day and transfer my files in between devices so there's no workflow interruption, so now I have more time to focus on doing studies and practicing. Pretty satisfied so far, only gripe is that there's no physical buttons and the screen is a little smooth for me.

I wonder if Procreate could bind something like brush size to the volume rocker.

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

ijyt posted:

I wonder if Procreate could bind something like brush size to the volume rocker.

I could use this type of control for a lot, this is a great idea.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



So, I have a Huion H610 Pro that's started to give me some problems. For whatever reason, the stylus has developed what I'll call "axial sensitivity": if the button on the stylus is facing towards the tablet, I'll only get about 20% of my normal sensitivity range, but if it's facing away (upwards), I'll get the full sensitivity range. I tried replacing the nub recently, to no avail. Has anyone else had an issue like this before?

Kataphract
Oct 15, 2015
Simple question. I have a 17" laptop (1920x1080) and am looking to get an Intuos Pro. Small or medium? Just spent lots on the laptop, would like to hold down the cost of the tablet. I'm used to working with Hunt 102, Zebra G, Pilot Falcon, so I tend not to make wide sweeping gestures with my art. My actual sketchbooks tend to be about the same size as the medium tablet, though (about 8 X 6). Insights welcome.

KinkyJohn
Sep 19, 2002

Do you draw with your wrist or your arm? Smaller tablets are great for small wrist movements, while larger tablets are great for getting that arm action in. If you come from a traditional art background you would want a bigger tablet to accommodate drawing with arm movement, otherwise small works just fine.

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe
I think I'll make my next intuos a large. I want to remove that magnification factor.

Kataphract
Oct 15, 2015
I can draw with either, depending on the need (I'd like to think a traditional art background prepares you to be adaptable). Having had to animate computer games with an Amiga, mouse, and Deluxe Paint, I've already gone through the worst. ;-)

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe
I don't think it produces a bad result necessarily. But right now my tablet drawings look very different from my hand-drawn stuff. And just the muscle memory / hand-eye factor of something other than 1:1 kind of bothers me.

sigma 6
Nov 27, 2004

the mirror would do well to reflect further

neonnoodle posted:

I have not owned either, but here is what I know from a technical specs standpoint:

Cintiq Companion:
- stylus supports tilt
- has hardware ExpressKeys
- crappy battery life
- textured screen surface
- very little sign of robust support on the part of the manufacturer. They have abandoned earlier models, so beware of that.
- very wide aspect ratio for the screen (more widescreen)

Surface Book:
- non Wacom stylus, so the cursor can lag when hovering. Still some issues with jittery lines when working very slowly and tightly.
- there have been some complaints about power/sleep issues and MS has been slow to fix them
- very slick screen
- detachable keyboard, but you can't use it when the screen is detached (it doesn't do wireless)


Looked at a Surface Book yesterday and was fairly impressed. The screen definitely seemed better than the cintiq companion but no tooth, of course. Felt like drawing on a white board with a felt tip more than anything else. Definitely got some lag with the cursor but strangely less lag using the drawing software. Also - the in store model was an i5 so I am hoping the i7 will have less lag. Going to search out a store with an i7 model to confirm this. Gotta admit though, it is INCREDIBLY light. Only 3.5 lbs and when the screen is detached, that part is only 1.5 lbs. The base does have the nvidia gpu but the screen / tablet part still has an intel gpu in it, so you can still watch movies on the go etc. It's really too bad the keyboard doesn't just become a wireless keyboard once detached.

A little paranoid that if I go with the cintiq companion 2 ... there will be just a companion 3 around the corner and they will stop support. The tech in the surface book definitely seems newer than the tech in the companion 2. On the other hand the companion 2 is designed specifically for an artist and I prefer the wacom digitizer... *sigh*

EDIT:

This is pretty cool.
https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Surface-Pen-Tip-Kit/productID.325725100

Very reasonable price if it helps the feel at all.

sigma 6 fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jul 4, 2016

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

So my wacom bamboo tablet died. I had some real issues with quality from Amazon. When I bought it I had to return the first two tablets they sent me didn't work. The miscousb connection on the one that does work constantly falls out if I move it too suddenly. Also the bamboo driver keeps crashing but I'm not sure whats up with that. Thing is I'm just an amateur so I don't really want to drop tons of money on a fancy professional quality tablet. Do you guys have any recommendations or should I stick with another bamboo? I'm trying to keep my budget <120$ and I'm pretty happy with the drawing area of the tablet which is around 8x6 inches.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Xun posted:

So my wacom bamboo tablet died. I had some real issues with quality from Amazon. When I bought it I had to return the first two tablets they sent me didn't work. The miscousb connection on the one that does work constantly falls out if I move it too suddenly. Also the bamboo driver keeps crashing but I'm not sure whats up with that. Thing is I'm just an amateur so I don't really want to drop tons of money on a fancy professional quality tablet. Do you guys have any recommendations or should I stick with another bamboo? I'm trying to keep my budget <120$ and I'm pretty happy with the drawing area of the tablet which is around 8x6 inches.

If you're dealing with disconnecting micro USB cords and crashing drivers anyway, you may as well get a Huion. If you're getting desperate and can't get your money back, but aren't quite ready to make the jump to another tablet, you can try securing the micro USB cable in place permanently.

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Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



I've been having two weird issues with my Huion rechargeable pen. First, it no longer seems to hold a charge; trying to use it without it being plugged in simply doesn't work anymore. Second, I'm occasionally getting some weird streaks when using Lazy Nezumi Pro where the pen appears to flick off to the left by about 100-200 pixels before snapping back to where my cursor is actually positioned, creating these long, thin, perfectly diagonal lines leading back to my "actual" line. Has anyone had problems like this before, and are there ways of disassembling the rechargeable pen to see if there's anything going on inside? I'm hoping to not have to drop another $30 for a new one.

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