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redweird posted:The stun is fixed so if you hook someone from range they'll be able to move and activate abilities by the time they get to you. I know that's a thing from being able to boop him with Lucio but I feel like it was more of a timing thing on my part. Sometimes it was a hook straight into a lmb but then other times I just sat there like an idiot. Having played him a bit more I feel like he's pretty balanced despite being a frustrating character to play against. The hook and breather CDs felt like they were really low at first but his lack of armor/shields kind of makes up for it.
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Roadhogs RMB is more dangerous than his hook and probably the thing to practice the most. It fired a ball of scrap that explodes forward in a shotgun blast at a certain distance. If you get your distance and timing right you can oneshot 200hp classes as if they were right next to you. I think they will probably change Roadhog's hook to a projectile from the delayed hitscan it seems to be right now. I personally don't have too much trouble dodging hooks: you can kind of anticipate when they are going to throw one and I'll jump strafe away and then back towards where I started. Once Roadhog has missed his hook he's not that scary and will give you a lot of ult charge. When I am Roadhog though hooking people is easy as. Just keep tracking as your hook flies out. Oh and look at this Hog POTG i got. It is pretty fun. https://youtu.be/4uexl6_xVDk
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ImpAtom posted:When people discuss Widowmaker they also tend to largely discuss a flawless magical being who always has their cooldowns up, never misses a shot, is completely unflappable, is never injured or targeted by anyone else and also they assume that they themselves are making mistakes that the Widowmaker can easily capitalize on. 1) The only rock-paper-scissors hard counter is reinhardt, who isn't always viable depending on the map/gamemode. Running an otherwise deadweight rein to push through a choke is no different than rolling 2 winstons to deal with a widowmaker. It's a losing proposition. 2) There is no skill- or strategy-based counter that doesn't rely on class switching. Spamming, chip damage, and flanking don't work. That's not hyperbole. Flanking a sniper means getting around their team without anyone spotting you so you can deal with the sniper. This isn't trivial. But in overwatch the sniper has wallhacks with a cooldown, a spider mine to warn them if you come from one approach of their choosing, a high damage assault rifle, medium health, and a grappling hook to get away. The grappling cook is the real icing on the cake. I'm never grappling away from a losing fight, I'm recognizing the situation and grappling away before I'm even in danger. And then bodyshotting the idiot. 
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Jun 24, 2016 06:50
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Please someone who knows how to play properly take me under their wing and teach me how to kick butt in this game. (I am on the EU servers - although now i cant really use them as I need a UK server thanks to Brexit)
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sleepness posted:I don't really mind getting instagibbed by widow or pre-need Mcree, but I think today was the only time I've ever become dangerously unchill while playing this game. ImpAtom posted:I was part of that game and before this stupid thing gets going further and becomes a weird source of drama: Stat shame each other now to close it out. Post links to both your bnet IDs on Master Overwatch.
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Jun 24, 2016 07:07
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TheTatteredKing posted:I don't like playing against her as road hog at all. Despite having most of my time as him going against Zarya is new though. Is there any tips for that specific match up? If she's isolated just keep the pressure on and she'll fold as she can't out damage you unless you're poo poo at hook pigging or she's already at 70+ energy. In team fights? Go gently caress with someone else until you see her use the personal shield
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Bolow posted:If she's isolated just keep the pressure on and she'll fold as she can't out damage you unless you're poo poo at hook pigging or she's already at 70+ energy. In team fights? Go gently caress with someone else until you see her use the personal shield I still would absolutely not pick Roadhog to counter a decent Zarya, even if Roadhog wins 1v1. As long as Zarya is alive you have no good hook targets at all.
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Sanctum posted:What you are saying is that even good widowmakers can make mistakes, therefore widowmakers aren't unbeatable. The problem with this logic is simple: the widowmaker has to make mistakes. If the widowmaker doesn't make mistakes they are going to continue being a dominant presence. There's 2 major problems here: No, you're descending into the same ridiculous hyperbole fantasy of a Widowmaker. You're going not just to high-level play but to a theoretical ideal that even high-level players don't successfully hit. You're also discouraging swapping classes for some reason despite that being a significant part of the game. Especially because you're assuming a Widowmaker played to an uncommonly high level of play but not any other character. Any player who makes minimal mistakes is going to be an extremely powerful presence. Some more powerful than others but Widowmaker isn't remotely exclusive there even before her nerf, let alone after. She's not the most fun to play against but that's not the same as her being unstoppable and uncounterable. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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This is just an announcement if people didn't know that these exist. Some heroes have extra control options. (options -> controls -> select the hero) Genji/Hanzo - automatic wall climb Junkrat - automatic riptide wall climb Lucio - hold to crossfade Mercy - Toggle beam connection and Guardian angel prefers beam target (turn this off if you dont want to fly backwards) Reinhardt - toggle Barrier Soldier 76 - See allies hp Widowmaker - toggle zoom and Zoom sensitivity Zarya - See allies hp
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Widowmaker is fine. Any character can be incredibly frustrating to go up against if they're played well. For me a skilled Tracer, Reaper or Roadhog are my nemesis, and even before the nerf I wasn't particularly bothered by Widows and McCrees.
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Jun 24, 2016 10:08
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ImpAtom posted:No, you're descending into the same ridiculous hyperbole fantasy of a Widowmaker. You're going not just to high-level play but to a theoretical ideal that even high-level players don't successfully hit. You're also discouraging swapping classes for some reason despite that being a significant part of the game. Especially because you're assuming a Widowmaker played to an uncommonly high level of play but not any other character.  Anytime you die as any class you have made mistakes, that's easy to say. As a widowmaker you have to make a whole lot of big mistakes to die. And she is still too good at what she does. The widowmaker is devoid of soft counters, she's a sniper with none of the weaknesses snipers are supposed to have. She has too many tools and 3 of them are way too good. Failing to use good positioning but having the sense to grapple towards teammates is all it takes, the bar for being immune to flanks isn't that high. When a good widowmaker has the same tools it becomes gamebreaking. And wallhacks are just lame in general; with full teamsight they do nothing but dumb the game down for everyone involved.
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it's not that hard to kill a widowmaker if they're really such a problem, pick something like winston since he can reach her wherever she goes, chase her down even if she tries to grapple away, and is pretty much guaranteed to win the fight unless you're just really bad at winston. you can drop a shield when you reach her to become effectively invincible as well. a lot of things can take out a widowmaker before she can run if you can get to her
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Jun 24, 2016 12:08
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Manatee Cannon posted:it's not that hard to kill a widowmaker they won't listen, they'll just say that the widow will hookshot away or 360 quickscope you in the head in mid air as you try
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Jun 24, 2016 12:10
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Jun 24, 2016 12:45
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I don't know why anyone would think goons are chill teammates after reading this thread.
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sex idiot posted:they won't listen, they'll just say that the widow will hookshot away or 360 quickscope you in the head in mid air as you try This isn't even the case. This issue with Winston is: he has to get through the enemy team or one-two flankers running the outside lanes in order to reach Widow. If he's not worn down by then, he has to burn Widow down before she grapples away to a teammate/health pack and then she'll just reposition. And if you're somehow still alive and hanging out in the backlines as Winston, the then enemy team is probably winning whatever battle at the objective.
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Jun 24, 2016 14:10
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Kerrrrrrr posted:i think widowmaker is fine
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Jun 24, 2016 14:20
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Widowmaker is fine at my MMR
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Thor-Stryker posted:This isn't even the case. This issue with Winston is: he has to get through the enemy team or one-two flankers running the outside lanes in order to reach Widow. If he's not worn down by then, he has to burn Widow down before she grapples away to a teammate/health pack and then she'll just reposition. i'll let you in on a secret winston can jump really far (it's a different button than his regular jump) and he can do it twice as often as widowmaker can hookshot if your team is losing a 5v5 while you personally remove what you seem to think is one of the strongest heroes in the game, then that's your team's fault for not being able to handle even odds
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Thor-Stryker posted:This isn't even the case. This issue with Winston is: he has to get through the enemy team or one-two flankers running the outside lanes in order to reach Widow. If he's not worn down by then, he has to burn Widow down before she grapples away to a teammate/health pack and then she'll just reposition. it is absolutely the case winston's really good at flanking widows and flankers either can't handle him (genji, tracer) or can't catch up (reaper) so you have a pretty clear shot through. if you somehow think it's impossible to kill a widowmaker by flanking her with something, I don't know what to tell you besides 'nah'
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cheetah7071 posted:Widowmaker is fine at my MMR I've kind of gotten the picture that most people seem to get upset at the theoretical team-destroying Widowmaker rather than the Widowmakers they actually see in their games. Personally I can barely remember any games where she was the one who clearly caused our side to lose, even Hanzo plays that role more often.
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Well. Pack it in guys, Goons can't be stopped by anything and Widows were never a problem. I'll be sure to call my local Goonston when I need to stop a crackshot Widow 100% of the time.
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Widow was a problem at extremely high levels of play and not so much in other contexts. Then they nerfed her. She continues to not be a problem at average levels of play and high-level players seem to think she's a situational offensive pick now, although maybe she'll make a resurgence this weekend; it'll be interesting to see.
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Jun 24, 2016 14:45
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5 widow 1 Lucio comp. Completely unstoppable.
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Dr Cheeto posted:5 widow 1 Lucio comp. Completely unstoppable. Why bother with the Lucio? Just throw in another widow, they're invulnerable since they can grapple away unopposed
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Mystery Machine posted:Wasting people's time is an underrated strategy in this game. I've had several D.Va games where tying up two members of the other team just being distracting and dumb in the sidelines has resulted in my team winning a 5v4 fight and capping or defending an objected. Most pub teams are nowhere near coordinated enough to not fall for strats like that. They see the lone D.Va nerding it up and go boost their K/D while their team dies. Late to the reply on this, but on a recent Gibraltar attack, my team took the payload from start to second checkpoint while I played kiss chase with the enemy's Rein, Mercy and 76 around the cliffside buildings. I had them so obsessed in "getting me" at one point, they waited outside the spawn while I popped back in for a quick regen. People get seriously killcrazed at times, and screwing around with key enemy heroes and fooling them into chasing you "off piste" is totally legit.
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also it is possible to get totally dominated by a better player or even just an equally good player having a good day / playing the counter to your favorite hero, get salty and frustrated about it, and for the hero to still not be a problem from a balance or design perspective for most players most of the time the answer to that is "take a breath, counterpick if you need to, play better" not "no answer exists"
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Thor-Stryker posted:Well. Pack it in guys, Goons can't be stopped by anything and Widows were never a problem. I'll be sure to call my local Goonston when I need to stop a crackshot Widow 100% of the time. lol dude come on, people are trying to say that widows can't be stopped not that they can be or were a problem they can. there are counters to snipers in the game. are good widows harder to kill? yea, sure, but I mean no poo poo dude, if the other guy is better than you it'll cause problems no matter what they're playing. that doesn't somehow make widowmaker invincible and impossible to deal with
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Thor-Stryker posted:This isn't even the case. This issue with Winston is: he has to get through the enemy team or one-two flankers running the outside lanes in order to reach Widow. If he's not worn down by then, he has to burn Widow down before she grapples away to a teammate/health pack and then she'll just reposition. nope winston owns
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Manatee Cannon posted:lol dude come on, people are trying to say that widows can't be stopped not that they can be or were a problem I never said she was impossible to deal with. Just these idiots claiming that that have zero issue dealing with her. Though perhaps, they don't. At my lovely level of MMR, I get paired with ex-counter strike style Widows all the time.
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I'm a thousand games deep and not once angry about widowmakers pre or post patch i'm guessing you guys are maining people she focuses or something
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is there a tell if people have their ultimate ability or do i just need to assume everyone can insta kill me also is there a point to having 22 classes besides skin jewery?
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widowmaker should have 1 hp and roadhog's hitbox, IMO also roadhog's model
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Thor-Stryker posted:This isn't even the case. This issue with Winston is: he has to get through the enemy team or one-two flankers running the outside lanes in order to reach Widow. If he's not worn down by then, he has to burn Widow down before she grapples away to a teammate/health pack and then she'll just reposition. Except now you're doing the other thing people do: "Well, Widowmaker has teammates so what am I supposed to do about those?" while ignoring that you have teammates yourself. Work with your team. If you expect to be able to defeat a team by yourself you deserve to lose and it isn't because Widowmaker is too strong. Dongicus posted:is there a tell if people have their ultimate ability or do i just need to assume everyone can insta kill me You'll get a feel for when characters probably have their ults up but generally it's wise to assume that if you haven't seen them ult recently it is up. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Dongicus posted:is there a tell if people have their ultimate ability or do i just need to assume everyone can insta kill me to your first question, the only time you can see the opposing teams ult level is if they kill you and you see it in the kill recap. I have no idea what the gently caress your second sentence even means.
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Roadhog feels a lot more "assassin"-y than the other tanks. Compared to DVa and Reinhardt he just shits out so much more damage and his ability to harass back-liners is unparalleled. Maybe I just play Mercy on lovely teams too much, but Roadhog constantly is focusing down me and it feels like the only counter I could have is my team having my back.
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Everblight posted:Roadhog feels a lot more "assassin"-y than the other tanks. Compared to DVa and Reinhardt he just shits out so much more damage and his ability to harass back-liners is unparalleled. You just have to stay out of the range of his hook and you're completely safe. I don't see many flanking Roadhog's but even if that's the case, just fly to a nearby teammate and you're fine.
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Everblight posted:Roadhog feels a lot more "assassin"-y than the other tanks. Compared to DVa and Reinhardt he just shits out so much more damage and his ability to harass back-liners is unparalleled. Roadhog isn't a strong flanker. He has minimal mobility and while his grab is strong its range isn't THAT long. Just keep in him in mind and stay away from him. The big trick as Mercy is that sometimes you have to let people die. It's so satisfying when you fly in and save a dude but sometimes it just isn't worth it because then you're dying to rescue him MAYBE. Don't put yourself in positions where you're going to die unless it has a payoff.
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Kamikaze Raider posted:to your first question, the only time you can see the opposing teams ult level is if they kill you and you see it in the kill recap. is there a point to having 22 classes that all have extremely similar roles
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