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Elias_Maluco posted:Rotting dont seems to stop it either, since they have clean undead skeletons Well it stopped the hand, that's why his audience in King's Landing was a bust, he was demanding thousands of soldiers and supplies because an army of zombies was coming and all he had for proof at that point was a rotten hand that didn't move. Also burning them does keep them down, which it shouldn't do if all they need is the bones. The skeletons also came much later because D&D thought it'd be cool.
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CytotoxicTrev posted:
Surprisingly apt: "Stupid risks are just that: stupid." Sadly Show Ramsay has never had a moment for him to have such an epiphany.
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Jun 23, 2016 20:05
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Yeah but until the last ten minutes of this episode he never really needed to have one. If he did have an epiphany on the show it'd be something like don't fix what ain't broke.
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Jun 23, 2016 20:18
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WHAT A GOOD DOG posted:Yeah what happened with the cannibal wildlings? Now they're all just Scots I guess? Like.. what are these wildlings eating? They were wiped out at Hardhome.
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Jun 23, 2016 20:18
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Subvisual Haze posted:That's what I was wondering this episode. Both sides hated each other and potentially had a lot to gain by trying to kill the leader of the other. Both Ramsay and Jons armies would probably melt away without their leader, and nobody seems to give a poo poo anymore about lords murdering their way into power. While it has happened in the past, violating parley is a huge deal. It would essentially mean no future diplomatic negotiations with anyone in the future, as you'd have no credibility or trustworthiness. Ramsay had gotten away with "make a deal for surrender, then kill them" like half a dozen times, so I will admit that there's precedent. Also, since the parley scenes they've shown have all been in open areas, it indicates that absolute chaos would occur if parley was breached - they would be initiating an attack on the enemy without a prepared force, leaving themselves very vulnerable.
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Jun 23, 2016 21:00
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New Preston Q&A is up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pzfeDWOVLA If you like the Starks, you're a nationalist and are bias against the white walkers, who are people too. Baka-nin fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Jun 23, 2016 21:00
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Baka-nin posted:If you like the Starks, you're a nationalist and are bias against the white walkers, who are people too. His answer about why the Starks are the protagonists was pretty spot on, and then he goes full Preston.
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Jun 23, 2016 21:10
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Apparently in the books, Varys kills both Kevan and Pycelle--what's his reason for doing so, and is it likely that's why he's returning to KL in the show?
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Jun 23, 2016 21:28
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Oliver Reed posted:Apparently in the books, Varys kills both Kevan and Pycelle--what's his reason for doing so, and is it likely that's why he's returning to KL in the show? He's ensuring KL is in absolute chaos for Aegon's invasion
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Jun 23, 2016 21:31
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Oliver Reed posted:Apparently in the books, Varys kills both Kevan and Pycelle--what's his reason for doing so, and is it likely that's why he's returning to KL in the show? Varys is going to Dorne
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Jun 23, 2016 21:31
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Kevan proves too effective at damage control, so Varys gets rid of him to keep the Cersei trainwreck going.
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Jun 23, 2016 21:32
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WampaLord posted:His answer about why the Starks are the protagonists was pretty spot on, and then he goes full Preston. quote:"George R R Martin has quite cleverly presented Jon Snow as the protagonist so that we think that the White Walkers are the antagonists." It's just not a PJ video unless he has a moment that makes you go "Uhm..."
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Jun 23, 2016 21:49
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24-7 Urkel Cosplay posted:While it has happened in the past, violating parley is a huge deal. It would essentially mean no future diplomatic negotiations with anyone in the future, as you'd have no credibility or trustworthiness. Ramsay had gotten away with "make a deal for surrender, then kill them" like half a dozen times, so I will admit that there's precedent. Ramsay kinslayed too, which is supposed to be up there with parley and guest right. Everyone knows it and no one cares.
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Jun 23, 2016 21:55
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Don't they just parley outside the range of the archers?
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Jun 23, 2016 22:07
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Don't they just parley outside the range of the archers? Yeah, generally you parley outside of archer range and on horses in the open. That way you can easily get away in case the other side decides to try to kill you.
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Jun 23, 2016 22:14
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IT BEGINS posted:Yeah, generally you parley outside of archer range and on horses in the open. That way you can easily get away in case the other side decides to try to kill you. Plus they have basically even numbers, so if it escalates into a fight, neither side has an advantage.
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Snatch Duster posted:Varys is going to Dorne Why would Varys be going
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the trump tutelage posted:Why would Varys be going Well, it's not like we haven't seen a Little Bird in Vaes Dothrak before.
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Jun 23, 2016 22:23
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What are the spoilers for the last episode
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Jun 23, 2016 23:00
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:He's ensuring KL is in absolute chaos for Aegon's invasion This, he reasoned that Cersei is a chronic gently caress up, while Kevan isn't.
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Jun 23, 2016 23:02
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24-7 Urkel Cosplay posted:While it has happened in the past, violating parley is a huge deal. It would essentially mean no future diplomatic negotiations with anyone in the future, as you'd have no credibility or trustworthiness. Ramsay had gotten away with "make a deal for surrender, then kill them" like half a dozen times, so I will admit that there's precedent. Also Dany has done it basically every time she's parleyed with the Masters. No one would've given Ramsay trouble for just shanking Jon on the spot, according to precedent.
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Jun 23, 2016 23:06
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:He's ensuring KL is in absolute chaos for Aegon's invasion Again, I'm ignorant of the books so I must ask: is Aegon actually confirmed to be the real Aegon, or is there just evidence that points that way?
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Jun 24, 2016 00:28
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Oliver Reed posted:Again, I'm ignorant of the books so I must ask: is Aegon actually confirmed to be the real Aegon, or is there just evidence that points that way? No, real aegon very obviously is dead. They're presenting a blackfyre targaryen off as a true targarayen. That's why the golden company, made up of blackfyres who repeatedly went to war against real targarayens, quit their contract for the first time in history to help him take westeros. That's why there was the allegory of the black iron dragon, chopped up, tossed into the river, showing up ashore rusted red (a skin deep resemblance to the true targaraens) This isn't confirmed either it's just all the evidence points to him being extremely fake. And if you like prophecy then "the mummer's dragon" would be varys's little aegon project.
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Oliver Reed posted:Again, I'm ignorant of the books so I must ask: is Aegon actually confirmed to be the real Aegon, or is there just evidence that points that way? Nothing's really confirmed. Aegon being fake is a very popular theory with good support.
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Oliver Reed posted:Again, I'm ignorant of the books so I must ask: is Aegon actually confirmed to be the real Aegon, or is there just evidence that points that way? He is presented as the real Aegon having been smuggled out of King's Landing and replaced by a lookalike. However there's strong textual evidence on him being a fake from a Targaryen cadet branch called house Blackfyre. I'd say it's very likely he's an impostor. I don't think anyone in the story has doubted his identity yet. House Blackfyre don't show up that much but they feature heavily in the prequel series and their backstory ties into everything -- the Three-Eyed Crow, Aemon at the Wall, the Golden Company, Barristan Selmy. Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Jun 24, 2016 00:34
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Kajeesus posted:Also Dany has done it basically every time she's parleyed with the Masters. No one would've given Ramsay trouble for just shanking Jon on the spot, according to precedent. I'm surprised Jon didn't seize the opportunity actually. Him and the karstark guy share blood and just had a conversation the day before. The Umber's dad was all about the king in the north, if Jon would've been like "gently caress that we're doing this" he could've forces the two northern lords to turn on Ramsay or have to fight the last two remaining Starks. It would've been a great "the north really does remember" moment, but then we would've been robbed of a huge battle.
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I like this part but it doesn't show up very often in the writeups:quote:Death had robbed him of his ears, his nose, and all his warmth. The smile remained, transformed into a glittering golden grin. All the skulls were grinning, even Bittersteel's on the tall pike in the center. What does he have to grin about? He died defeated and alone, a broken man in an alien land. On his deathbed, Ser Aegor Rivers had famously commanded his men to boil the flesh from his skull, dip it in gold, and carry it before them when they crossed the sea to retake Westeros. His successors had followed his example. Help my name is Con and I am getting conned.
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Lycus posted:Nothing's really confirmed. Aegon being fake is a very popular theory with good support. Him not being on the show more or less confirms he's fake. It'd be pretty hard to cut out a real Targaryen from the story.
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Jun 24, 2016 00:43
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No one on the show gives a gently caress about Kinslaying and Guest Right anymore so why the gently caress should they care about parlay?
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Jun 24, 2016 02:01
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Other than Jaime vs. Blackfish and Jon vs. Ramsay I'm pretty sure every parlay was violated in the show. Attacking emissaries is pretty much Dany's favorite pastime and Stannis violated the terms of the ceasefire after parlaying with Renly when he sent an assassin to his camp.
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Jun 24, 2016 06:59
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Other than Jaime vs. Blackfish and Jon vs. Ramsay I'm pretty sure every parlay was violated in the show. Attacking emmiseries is pretty much Dany's favorite pastime and Stannis violated the terms of the ceasefire after parlaying with Renly when he sent an assassin to his camp. And Jon was going to assassinate Mance.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Stannis violated the terms of the ceasefire after parlaying with Renly when he sent an assassin to his camp. Does that really count? Stannis pretty explicitly said in the parlay that Renly would get bumped off in the night if he didn't join team Stannis.
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He actually specifically gave Renly up until sunrise to lay down his arms and then sent the magic assassin to Renly's before the ultimatum was through. Which is kinda exactly what Dany did at Yunkai.
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Why was Catelyn even at the Stannis Renly parley, anyway? I don't remember that part of the show or the novelized adaptation.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Other than Jaime vs. Blackfish and Jon vs. Ramsay I'm pretty sure every parlay was violated in the show. Attacking emissaries is pretty much Dany's favorite pastime and Stannis violated the terms of the ceasefire after parlaying with Renly when he sent an assassin to his camp.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Why was Catelyn even at the Stannis Renly parley, anyway? I don't remember that part of the show or the novelized adaptation. Renly brings her cause he's cocky or some poo poo. meristem posted:You're forgetting that Dany did not attack the Yunkai emissaries in Season 3. In the book the dragons breath fire at him and burn the fringes of his tokar, regardless, Dany violates the terms of the truth and attacks the Yunkish camp at the night following the parlay.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:He actually specifically gave Renly up until sunrise to lay down his arms and then sent the magic assassin to Renly's before the ultimatum was through. Which is kinda exactly what Dany did at Yunkai. Oh yeah ok. GoGoGadgetChris posted:Why was Catelyn even at the Stannis Renly parley, anyway? I don't remember that part of the show or the novelized adaptation. She was trying to secure an alliance for Robb, and the Baratheon bros both said they had no interest in an independent North. Renly brought her to the parlay because he thought she'd be impressed to watch him clown on his brother.
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drat. Maybe it's just the shock of #brexit upon my gentle soul right now, but I feel like Stannis killing Renley with the shadow baby is one of the more hosed up things anyone has done on this show.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:In the book the dragons breath fire at him and burn the fringes of his tokar, regardless, Dany violates the terms of the truth and attacks the Yunkish camp at the night following the parlay.
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an skeleton posted:drat. Maybe it's just the shock of #brexit upon my gentle soul right now, but I feel like Stannis killing Renley with the shadow baby is one of the more hosed up things anyone has done on this show. I think it was worse when the Mountain smashed Oberyn's head in. Or when he was having all the peasants tortured to death by putting a bucket of rats against their chest and then lighting a fire to make the rats burrow into their bodies. Or when Ramsay pretended he was helping Theon escape, only to lead him in a circle right back to his cell. Or when he sent in two naked girls to get Theon aroused and then cut off his cock, and then happily waved around his breakfast sausages the next day. Or when Tyrion sent those two whores to Joffrey, only to have him force one to torture the other, then used one of them as target practice for his new crossbow. Or when the slavers crucified like 50 slaves and left their hands pointing Dany toward their city, and then Dany got back at them by crucifying a whole bunch more people when she got there. Or...
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