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Electromax posted:Also some wicked scoring for a kids cartoon show.
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Optimist with doubt posted:Batman as an in depth character is something I feel like we won't really get to explore in depth in this giant blockbuster world of comic book movies. Batman is by far the most interesting and compelling character in Batman v Superman. That version of Batman is the most interesting in all the movies so far if you ask me. As for Conroy's performance in the Animated Series, he made it easy to forget that Bruce Wayne is Batman, especially with the white eyes under the cowl. ^ Walker gave Maxie Zeus - a lovely Z list villain - a theme worthy of Maurice Jarre. MeatwadIsGod fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Jun 23, 2016 22:59
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That scene might be a case FOR awkward censorship in 90's cartoons. When they throw punches, it's obscured by silhouettes or Batman's cape. Adds a lot of "Noodle Incident" mystique.
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Jun 23, 2016 23:31
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Electromax posted:Also some wicked scoring for a kids cartoon show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K1qNsE9v0
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Jun 23, 2016 23:31
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I own both volumes of the Batman: The Animated Series soundtrack. Love Penguin and Clayface's themes. For my money, Shirley Walker's Batman theme is the best of them, just edging out Elfman's.
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Jun 24, 2016 00:50
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The Penguin theme plays during that fantastic moment when he's robbing an art gallery with his goons. One of them is transfixed by a painting until another goon nudges him and they take it off the wall.
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Jun 24, 2016 00:53
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Phylodox posted:I own both volumes of the Batman: The Animated Series soundtrack. Love Penguin and Clayface's themes. For my money, Shirley Walker's Batman theme is the best of them, just edging out Elfman's. I'm on my phone in public, so I can't listen and see if I'm right, but wasn't her Batman theme directly based on Elfman's?. Probably still better though. Shirley Walker also did all the music for Batman Beyond, which is both excellent and a completely different style. In slightly different direction, one of my favorite parts of BvS is Wonder Woman's theme.
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Jun 24, 2016 01:31
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Skwirl posted:I'm on my phone in public, so I can't listen and see if I'm right, but wasn't her Batman theme directly based on Elfman's?. Probably still better though. Pretty heavily influenced by, yeah, but distinct.
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Jun 24, 2016 01:36
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:There's a great moment in Batman Beyond where Bruce Wayne refers to himself in his own head as Batman. That's who he really is. Bruce Wayne died that night in the alley and gave way to Batman. In the comics when Bruce Wayne was framed for murder he basically said "gently caress it" and totally dropped the Bruce Wayne identity. His extended family had to convince him to re-establish it, in another great moment that had either Tim or Dick ask, "if Bruce Wayne doesn't exist then who adopted me?" Great stuff. poo poo like that is what makes Batman a great and compelling character. Again I both agree and disagree. Bruce certainly sees himself as Batman but that isn't the reality. I suppose from a certain perspective if he believes it to be so, it is so but that feels like such a bleak reading on the character. When binge watched the DCAU several years ago, I noticed one simple thing: DCAU Batman has the worst loving life ever...and it doesn't have to be that way. He has people who love him in the form of Alfred, the sidekicks and then his Justice League pals. Yet, where does he end up? All alone, just quietly waiting to die. Thank God for Terry helping to avert this horrible end for such a great man. Terry was his last chance at humanity. Because that's all he's ever been is a human. Saying he's Batman, the Dark Knight, a tool of vengeance, feels like how he denies himself. The Joker actually had it right - "Behind all the sturm and bat-o-rangs, you're just a little boy in a playsuit, crying for mommy and daddy!" A fact shown when, moments later, he throws a knife at Joker's head in homicidal rage. No way to spin that one, nor how he grabs a gun to hold up a crook at the start of Batman Beyond. Batman is only human. He's only Bruce Wayne. He just doesn't want to admit it. Also, Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker is my favorite Batman film ever, animated or live-action. Granted, Terry McGinnis is my favorite DCAU character so this probably helps. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Jun 24, 2016 02:30
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Return of the Joker is a really great movie and Terry is a good Batman
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Jun 24, 2016 04:25
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Batman Beyond: the best Spider-Man story ever told?
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Jun 24, 2016 05:17
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Batman Terry is both the best Batman and the best Spider-Man.
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Jun 24, 2016 05:18
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSAENi3bVbs I liked the other song better.
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Jun 24, 2016 06:29
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Would Midnight Special be the closest example of an objectivist superman? That movie is pretty much what happens if the government found out Clark saved that school bus.
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Jun 24, 2016 06:34
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I liked the other song better. Basebf555 posted:Michael Keaton had played Bruce Wayne as somewhat of a creep, he really wasn't doing a good job of disguising himself at all.
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Jun 24, 2016 06:41
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSAENi3bVbs This song is better & LIl Wayne + Imagine Dragons is the ultimate gambit of our time
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Jun 24, 2016 06:43
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TetsuoTW posted:I can't think of a song right now that I want to hear less than something that brings together Lil Wayne, Wiz Khalifa, and loving Imagine Dragons. Not true. In Batman Forever, he screams it at the top of his lungs at the circus to save Dick Grayson's life... oh dear.
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Jun 24, 2016 06:45
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSAENi3bVbs This is actually a'ight. Wait, people say a'ight still, right? Also, man they're laying on the prison-industrial/school-to-prison pipeline poo poo thick. TetsuoTW posted:I can't think of a song right now that I want to hear less than something that brings together Lil Wayne, Wiz Khalifa, and loving Imagine Dragons. What gets me is just how unnecessarily convoluted the artist credits are: "Two rappers and a overhyped Pop Rock act, w/ two other marginally better rappers, ft. some poo poo you've never heard of" In a way, it's like if X Ambassadors, Logic, and Ty Dolla $ign are all stand-ins for the order in which the red shirts get merced in this movie.
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K. Waste posted:What gets me is just how unnecessarily convoluted the artist credits are: "Two rappers and a overhyped Pop Rock act, w/ two other marginally better rappers, ft. some poo poo you've never heard of" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaACrT6Ydik If the video doesn't load, it's *takes a breath* Juicy J, Wiz Khalifa, Ty Dolla $ign - Shell Shocked ft. Kill The Noise & Madsonik Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Jun 24, 2016 13:58
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NikkolasKing posted:Again I both agree and disagree. Bruce certainly sees himself as Batman but that isn't the reality. I suppose from a certain perspective if he believes it to be so, it is so but that feels like such a bleak reading on the character. When binge watched the DCAU several years ago, I noticed one simple thing: DCAU Batman has the worst loving life ever...and it doesn't have to be that way. He has people who love him in the form of Alfred, the sidekicks and then his Justice League pals. Yet, where does he end up? All alone, just quietly waiting to die. The "Bruce Wayne is the real mask" thing also doesn't jive with the fact that Clark refers to him as Bruce. Clark is supposed to be his closest friend, not another rube fooled by the costume. Same with Dick, Alfred, etc. When they get real with him they call him Bruce.
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Jun 24, 2016 14:24
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Mierenneuker posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaACrT6Ydik There it is. Also, legit good song, makes me want to see that movie again even though I didn't particularly care for it. It had some mad good action cinematography and production design.
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Jun 24, 2016 14:31
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Terrible Horse posted:The "Bruce Wayne is the real mask" thing also doesn't jive with the fact that Clark refers to him as Bruce. Clark is supposed to be his closest friend, not another rube fooled by the costume. Same with Dick, Alfred, etc. When they get real with him they call him Bruce. "Good evening, Master Batman. Shall I warm up the Batmobile, or will sir be requiring his Bruce Wayne costume tonight?" "I just wanted to say, we couldn't have stopped Brainiac's laser beam without you. Thanks, Bruce." "The name's Batman." "Uhh, thanks... Batman." "You're welcome, Superman. *smoke grenade*" I really like this angle on the character, but I don't think I've ever actually seen it.
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Jun 24, 2016 14:39
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Terrible Horse posted:The "Bruce Wayne is the real mask" thing also doesn't jive with the fact that Clark refers to him as Bruce. Clark is supposed to be his closest friend, not another rube fooled by the costume. Same with Dick, Alfred, etc. When they get real with him they call him Bruce. Clark sees the human side in everyone, Batman probably just humours him.
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Jun 24, 2016 14:41
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Terrible Horse posted:The "Bruce Wayne is the real mask" thing also doesn't jive with the fact that Clark refers to him as Bruce. Clark is supposed to be his closest friend, not another rube fooled by the costume. Same with Dick, Alfred, etc. When they get real with him they call him Bruce. Its just a shorthand to explain that his true identity is the guy who goes out and beats up criminals; the life of Bruce Wayne the billionaire playboy is just a façade that he'd give up in two seconds if it wasn't useful to him. The fact that his close friends call him Bruce doesn't change any of that.
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Jun 24, 2016 14:45
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Terrible Horse posted:The "Bruce Wayne is the real mask" thing also doesn't jive with the fact that Clark refers to him as Bruce. Clark is supposed to be his closest friend, not another rube fooled by the costume. Same with Dick, Alfred, etc. When they get real with him they call him Bruce.
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TetsuoTW posted:He's the delusional one, not everyone else. Yea I guess the sad truth is that he's not really Batman or Bruce Wayne, at least not the version of Bruce that he plays in public. He's still the little kid who just saw his parents murdered, he's never developed past that moment, he'll always be stuck there. Nolan I suppose is the only one to ever allow him that progress at the end of Dark Knight Rises.
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Jun 24, 2016 15:15
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TetsuoTW posted:He's the delusional one, not everyone else. It's important to not discount subjectivity on either side. Neither party is delusional. Like, Bruce Wayne isn't any more delusional that he's Batman than Don Diego is delusional that he's Zorro. It's inherently false to unilaterally declare one side to be delusional and the other 'authentic' just because one wears a literal mask and partakes in flamboyant performance. Just as with Two-Face/Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight Returns, it is actually impossible, and, indeed, unethical, to delineate the human condition in this way. The performance is just as real as 'the real thing.' The alter-ego is just as authentic as the ego. The real problem is that we insist on seeing the problem as "How do we 'cure' Bruce Wayne of this pathology and make him recognize his inherent humanity?" This is predicated on a series of faulty premises which ultimately boil down to the emphatic belief that there is some preternatural, authentic 'essence' of humanity which we must delineate from 'bad thoughts' which corrupt our 'purity.' This is clearly just reframing Batman's reactionary persecution of criminals against Batman himself, solving nothing. What we should do, alternatively, is recognize in Bruce Wayne/Batman's overt inhumanity the potential for radical change. It is not Bruce Wayne who needs to be 'cured' of the abhorrent Batman delusion - It is Batman who must be molded into a superior moral entity.
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I don't know where people get the idea that Batman is insane. In almost all Batman stories he comes off as pretty sane. Yeah, even the hyper-aggressive Batman from Miller's The Dark Knight Returns was sane. He wasn't out of touch with reality, and his strategies were effective (pretty much because Frank Miller uses Batman to express his own views of the world). Yeah he dresses in a silly bat costume, but this is calculated psychological warfare. Yeah he likes to beat up people, but so does every other superhero in comic books.
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Jun 24, 2016 16:03
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There are a lot of different kinds of mental illness, and not all of them manifest as you becoming Alex Jones.
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Jun 24, 2016 16:18
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Kurzon posted:I don't know where people get the idea that Batman is insane. In almost all Batman stories he comes off as pretty sane. Yeah, even the hyper-aggressive Batman from Miller's The Dark Knight Returns was sane. He wasn't out of touch with reality, and his strategies were effective (pretty much because Frank Miller uses Batman to express his own views of the world). Yeah he dresses in a silly bat costume, but this is calculated psychological warfare. Yeah he likes to beat up people, but so does every other superhero in comic books. Who's saying he's insane? Having delusions is not the same as insanity, many people are perfectly functional while also being delusional. Also, nobody is saying that he literally has multiple personality disorder, which is a serious mental illness. When we say "Bruce Wayne isn't his true identity", we don't mean that in the literal sense. But its how he thinks of himself, and how he operates, and its not healthy because it means he's in a perpetual state of arrested development. None of that is the same as what most people would call insanity, especially by the legal definition.
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Well, what kind of mental illness does Batman have? Autism? Schizophrenia? Bipolar disorder? Psychopathy? Borderline personality disorder? Does he hear voices in his head? Does he have jumbled thoughts or disorganized speech? Does he feel like he's being watched at all times? Does he go through mood swings? Does he have the mental age of a 12-year-old?
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Jun 24, 2016 16:21
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Kurzon posted:Well, what kind of mental illness does Batman have? Autism? Schizophrenia? Bipolar disorder? Psychopathy? Borderline personality disorder? Does he hear voices in his head? Does he have jumbled thoughts or disorganized speech? Does he feel like he's being watched at all times? Does he go through mood swings? We could debate about that all day, and my personal answer is he probably isn't mentally ill, at least the way its defined by most professionals. The point is he's not mentally or emotionally healthy, which is not at all the same as a diagnosable mental illness.
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Which Batman are we talking about? Because the Batman I know from the Adam West show or the 90s cartoon came off as pretty well-balanced. Bruce Wayne was a very likable guy in those shows.
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One of my favorite interpretations of Bruce Wayne is that he's basically a mentally stunted man-child in a state of arrested development. He hangs out with young boys all day and uses his money to live out a youthful fantasy of beating up bad guys while driving a cool car and having the best toys. He's a big kid.
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Jun 24, 2016 16:27
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Except he's not dreaming those things like a dumb moody 12 year old, he's actually doing those things, and is so good at it that he is more important to Gotham's security than the police department. There's a difference between a kid who dreams of being an astronaut and an adult who has actually passed NASA training and spends his free time doing somersaults in zero gravity. They always make a big deal of how disciplined, fearless, and clever Batman is. He's not petulant, he doesn't have a bad sense of humor, and he has a normal level of empathy.
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Kurzon posted:Except he's not dreaming those things like a dumb moody 12 year old, he's actually doing those things, and is so good at it that he is more important to Gotham's security than the police department. There's a difference between a kid who dreams of being an astronaut and an adult who has actually passed NASA training and is doing somersaults in zero gravity. They always make a big deal of how disciplined, fearless, and clever Batman is. He's not petulant, he doesn't have a bad sense of humor, and he has a normal level of empathy. None of what your saying precludes a person from having delusions or being stunted both mentally and emotionally. These are things someone can work around, especially given the unlimited resources that Bruce Wayne has. But he's not healthy(with the possible exception of Adam West Batman), I think that much is self-evident. People who pass NASA training and become astronauts go through intensive screening processes to (theoretically)weed out those who have these kind of issues. Bruce has never had to pass any such evaluations. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Kurzon posted:Well, what kind of mental illness does Batman have? Autism? Schizophrenia? Bipolar disorder? Psychopathy? Borderline personality disorder? Does he hear voices in his head? Does he have jumbled thoughts or disorganized speech? Does he feel like he's being watched at all times? Does he go through mood swings? Does he have the mental age of a 12-year-old? I always imagined him to have extreme PTSD and obsessive paranoia. He's like those guys who start to think conspiracies are real and build bunkers and stuff, and it's basically impossible for them to feel safe.
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Kurzon posted:Well, what kind of mental illness does Batman have? PTSD.
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Basebf555 posted:None of what your saying precludes a person from having delusions or being stunted both mentally and emotionally. These are things someone can work around, especially given the unlimited resources that Bruce Wayne has. But he's not healthy(with the possible exception of Adam West Batman), I think that much is self-evident Could you re-read my post? I said that Batman clearly does not suffer from delusions or mental retardation. In the majority of Batman literature he is a well-balanced person.
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Kurzon posted:Could you re-read my post? I said that Batman clear does not suffer from delusions or mental retardation. In the majority of Batman literature he is a well-balanced person. Mental retardation? Who is saying that? Again you're misunderstanding these terms. Being mentally stunted doesn't have to mean you literally have the mind of a 12 year old. The delusions are debatable, but again, you don't seem to understand what a delusion is. It doesn't mean he literally hears voices in his head.
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