|
Manatee Cannon posted:the only true tank is reinhardt when you think about it that's really rude to winston and whatever future of version of dva that hopefully doesn't have a dumb crit hitbox
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 19:46
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 20:35 |
|
|
Reinhardt is the only true tank in that he can prevent an appreciable amount of damage from reaching his team in a reliable manner. I guess this is why people think playing him is like playing WoW and they only heal him, then wonder why nothing ever gets done when the tank is the healthiest person and the damage dealers are being picked off left right and center by anyone who cares to step behind or around the shield.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 19:47
|
|
|
Zoness posted:that's really rude to winston and whatever future of version of dva that hopefully doesn't have a dumb crit hitbox winston doesn't really tank tho he's really good but that's not his job
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 19:48
|
|
|
Manatee Cannon posted:winston doesn't really tank tho in king of the hill maps he does build a safe spot for his team like reinhardt does on normal maps I mean I'm just going with the 'helps your team absorb damage without giving the enemy shitloads of ults' definition here
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 19:49
|
|
|
Bolow posted:He's flanker protection and does the largest medium range burst damage in the game rifle guy does it better the only reason you'd play the revolver guy is for his insta kill im still new to the game, but people flanking you isnt really a problem considering how chokepointy the maps are.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 19:56
|
|
|
yea but winston does a lot more than just drop the shield even when he doesn't have ult, unlike reinhardt who mostly just walks forward being a wall between earthshatters. all of the tanks but reinhardt either have something else to do or can't tank for poo poo in the first place
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 19:57
|
|
|
Dongicus posted:rifle guy does it better Revolver guy is a cool cowboy that you can make say "I'm your Huckleberry"
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 19:57
|
|
|
Dongicus posted:rifle guy does it better not really, no
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 19:58
|
|
|
Manatee Cannon posted:yea but winston does a lot more than just drop the shield even when he doesn't have ult, unlike reinhardt who mostly just walks forward being a wall between earthshatters. all of the tanks but reinhardt either have something else to do or can't tank for poo poo in the first place From waatching pro reinhardts it definitely seems like they spend a good amount of time without the shield up though, imo. Like, debbett definitely makes good use of the hammer to clear a space for his teammates.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 19:59
|
|
|
Spanish Manlove posted:Revolver guy is a cool cowboy that you can make say "I'm your Huckleberry" My man
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 19:59
|
|
|
Dongicus posted:im still new to the game, but people flanking you isnt really a problem considering how chokepointy the maps are. 
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:00
|
|
|
hmm hitscan automatic rifle with no recoil versus single shot hitscan weapon thats difficult to click heads with because the heads on the models are indecipherable due to retarded cluttered designs and weird skins prove me wrong? i've not played all the maps yet
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:01
|
|
|
Basically good Reinhardt play balances offensive play with defensive. Yeah, your shield is useful and all but if there's nobody shooting at it, or if they're close enough that they're in hammer range, the best thing to do is just clear the area with your hammer as otherwise you're just being slow, useless and not particularly helpful. Your hammer can be used to force people back while your shield moves people forward. Dongicus posted:prove me wrong? i've not played all the maps yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvY8en9wwts The maps are way, way open for anyone with even slight mobility options.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:02
|
|
|
Dongicus posted:im still new to the game, but people flanking you isnt really a problem considering how chokepointy the maps are. Hanamura A is kind of the only map without at least one decent flank past the choke though. Well, McCree can't really use the flank on Volskaya or some others so it's sort of moot I guess.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:04
|
|
|
nerve posted:My man That and Winky Face are the best ones in the game and I wish you could bind buttons to do multiple things as voice would be on space bar or left click.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:05
|
|
|
Dongicus posted:hmm hitscan automatic rifle with no recoil versus single shot hitscan weapon thats difficult to click heads with because the heads on the models are indecipherable due to retarded cluttered designs and weird skins All I do is flank Most maps have an alt route for flankers that people can't use unless they fly or can wall run
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:05
|
|
|
Dongicus posted:rifle guy does it better Dongicus posted:hmm hitscan automatic rifle with no recoil versus single shot hitscan weapon thats difficult to click heads with because the heads on the models are indecipherable due to retarded cluttered designs and weird skins Acting like a complete know-it-all despite barely having played the game, I can already tell you're gonna be a real valuable addition to the Overwatch community.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:07
|
|
|
henkman posted:not really, no Actually yes? Like this isn't even debatable, with McCree nerfed the guys who absorbed most of his usage where Roadhog and Soldier, the first does a better job deleting 200HP heroes (far better than McCree), the second has sustain and is better at midrange and longer, so much so that Soldier is being subbed for what Widow used to do. I think McCree needs a bit of rework, the damage nerf was good as it opened up a lot of new characters being used (Roadhog, Soldier, Reaper), IMHO they need to drop the reload from combat roll, improve the distance it moves you, and decrease the cooldown. Buff FTH to 50 damage, add a longer reload animation, and make the spread vertical. His right click could do with a 50 not 35 damage minimum. This helps differentiate him from Roadhog without completely overshadowing or being overshadowed by him. He'd be faster, noticeably better at range, but not have the raw sustain or stun range Roadhog does in exchange.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:08
|
|
|
I'm brand new to the game and haven't played all the maps but let me tell you how the balance shakes out prove me wrong
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:08
|
|
|
also burden of proof is on the people not making ridiculous claims 
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:10
|
|
|
Dongicus posted:rifle guy does it better Soldier isn't very good at eliminating any of the major flanker classes unless he has helix up, or the flankers are poo poo. He's just an all around solid mid-long range dps that deals consistent damage.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:12
|
|
|
mcvey posted:I'm brand new to the game and haven't played all the maps but let me tell you how the balance shakes out prove me wrong its a casual game so idc about balance im just confused as to why they couldnt just merge certain characters together
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:14
|
|
|
Many play similar roles differently and are stronger or weaker against different team comps.Dongicus posted:skin jewery 
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:17
|
|
|
Dongicus posted:its a casual game so idc about balance im just confused as to why they couldnt just merge certain characters together because the characters are actually quite different from each other, people in general prefer to have more variety and choice, and it provides more opportunities for strategy in your picks and how you use each character, etc. it's like asking "why does chess have so many different pieces, couldn't we merge like this castle one with this weird pointy one, they don't seem that different" cause then you might as well play checkers
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:18
|
|
|
Kerrrrrrr posted:because the characters are actually quite different from each other, people in general prefer to have more variety and choice, and it provides more opportunities for strategy in your picks and how you use each character, etc. one of the pieces is the castle guy + the pointy guy tho actually having played some capablanca chess which has other merged pieces it's pretty fun fwiw. But  that more choices = a good thing, weird how that works out.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:20
|
|
|
Zoness posted:From waatching pro reinhardts it definitely seems like they spend a good amount of time without the shield up though, imo. Like, debbett definitely makes good use of the hammer to clear a space for his teammates. we must not be watching the same games because like 90% of the time they've had the shield up and most of the rest was throwing firestrikes or doing earthshatters like yea sometimes a reinhardt is gonna have to fight dudes but mostly they just block damage, whereas with winston it's the other way around
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:20
|
|
|
Kerrrrrrr posted:because the characters are actually quite different from each other, people in general prefer to have more variety and choice, and it provides more opportunities for strategy in your picks and how you use each character, etc. so are you expected to just keep countering other classes then?
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:20
|
|
|
I dunno I was at work while watching but I had the impression that c9 debbett left clicks as reinhardt a lot.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:21
|
|
|
Zoness posted:one of the pieces is the castle guy + the pointy guy tho hush you, don't ruin my analogy Dongicus posted:so are you expected to just keep countering other classes then? yes. that's a major part of the game. or you can be cool like me and just play junkrat in every game
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:21
|
|
|
McCree is strong as gently caress and if you're good at aiming literally nobody else does nearly as much damage as him at his effective range. Like, it's loving ludicrous how much damage you do to tanks if you plug them in the head. Soldier could only hope to do that much. e: I say this as someone who has soldier as their most played hero. I really like playing as McCree because he's far more precise but it's actually rewarded heavily because holy moly destroying Roadhog with couple of headshots is fun as hell. You'd have to use at least a clip and a helix rocket to do that much damage as soldier. Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jun 24, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:24
|
|
|
Zoness posted:I dunno I was at work while watching but I had the impression that c9 debbett left clicks as reinhardt a lot. a lot as reinhardt does not compare to a lot as literally any other class tho
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:24
|
|
|
oh thats cool enough i guess. just need to remove ultimate abilities and i'll buy a overwatch av, gangtag, and sig.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:24
|
|
|
Dongicus posted:oh thats cool enough i guess. Or learn to listen for, avoid, and counter ults.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:25
|
|
|
you could play the double shotgun guy too, he has this button that makes him not die to anything for like 3 seconds, including ults
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:29
|
|
|
MacheteZombie posted:Or learn to listen for, avoid, and counter ults. i don't actually like ults, or at least their frequency, despite doing those things
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:29
|
|
|
quote:or you can be bad like me and just play lucio in every game
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:30
|
|
|
MacheteZombie posted:Or learn to listen for, avoid, and counter ults. please tell me the method for dodging the ult that instantly kills you with only a brief voice cue maybe like half their ult meter when they die or something. you gain it far too fast Dongicus fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Jun 24, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:30
|
|
|
People are getting smarter with their ult usage and their knowledge of the typical tells and that's cool. Although the smart thing to do is assume your enemy has ult always and any attempts to move into certain positions should raise red flags. e: There's only one literal instant kill ult in the game really and that's Deadeye, and McCree glows bright red. All the others either have travel time, do damage over time, or give such a huge loving warning that if you die to them you kind of had it coming.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:31
|
|
|
i don't mind that there are buttons which kill a person quickly/instantly, that's basically just a sniper but from close range. if i hated dying quickly i wouldn't be playing fps games. what bothers me about ults is how large they tend to be, and how common they are; team fights regularly open with 2-3 ults and maybe pepper another one in there somewhere, not counting Mercy rezzes which may happen twice over a prolonged engagement. it's just a bit too much in my humble opinion.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:34
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 20:35 |
|
|
Dongicus posted:please tell me the method for dodging the ult that instantly kills you with only a brief voice cue ults don't necessarily instantly kill you, they all do set damage junkrat riptires and tracer pulse bombs can be tanked with lucio's ult and some classes can tank them to the face with some armor/symmetra shields. you can get through a lot of them by killing the guy that's using it (pharah, reaper, etc), stunning them with mccree or roadhog (stops the ult entirely), blocking it with a shield from reinhardt, winston, or zarya, using an ability (tracer, mei, and reaper can all go invulnerable for a bit) or by using your own ult (torb and winston get more health and can tank p much anything if they ult fast enough). you have options e: also genji can reflect mei, zarya, and hanzo's ults back in their face and any shield stops rienhardt's ult entirely
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2016 20:36
|
|