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sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

And Moody's just downgraded UK from stable to negative

Joining S&P and Fitch. It's a hat trick, great job! :suicide:

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Hollow Talk
Feb 2, 2014
The German Handelsblatt claims to have gained access to an 8-page whitepaper from the German Ministry of Finance. Apparently, they are expecting difficult divorce talks and recommend pushing for "associated partner country" status for the UK. They are also recommending to not give them preferred access to the common market for fear of inspiring potential imitators from other parts of Europe (the formulation is "no automatism for access to EU inner market").

Source (german): http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik...t/13783492.html

Brief mention: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/top-eu-leader-we-want-britain-out-as-soon-as-possible

Obviously, everybody should learn German anyway now that Merkel will literally take over Europe after England chooses to seek its own liberty and freedom. :hitler:

Ceiling fan
Dec 26, 2003

I really like ceilings.
Dead Man’s Band

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Little America.

We have a winner. Do we need to gear up for an occupation or just send over some college kids to gather petitions?

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Utnayan posted:

But unlike Britain, they are a socialistic country with high taxation rates to support those services everyone is dependent on. And their economy is tanking as a result of that and the loss of higher priced oil revenue. GDP is stagnant, and even decreasing. This country cannot even afford the programs for their own citizens, much less an influx of immigrants. That really is the point. And a reason why the UK left the EU. A global economy cannot be split between two completely governmental ideals. One is inherently corrupt. The other will eventually bankrupt itself. We all know that. It's time to stop pretending that we can give away health care and higher education to everyone on the tax dollars of the output workforce thinking it will come back and return in a cycle. Economy is always in flux, and sooner or later the latter will need to be bailed out. It is a mathematical certainty.

I have seen some posts stating the UK has just started the trend of working against a global economy. A global socio-economy where we are all going to look after one another will not work until there is a sole global government. Then you add in the human equation, and there will always be corruption no matter what happens. In the end, it will tilt back to basics.

You aren't supposed to feed the bears for the fear (And factual inevitable conclusion) that the bears will become dependent on being fed and will cast aside teaching their young how to hunt for their own food. Over time of a few generations, the people that fed the bears leave. The bears don't know how to hunt any longer, they starve, and they will die. The same will inevitably happen to the human race if we continue down this path of stagnation. That doesn't mean we all shouldn't be taking care of each other. We just have to find a new way to do that outside the realm of the current economist policies on both sides of the political fence.

You're the future mate, you and your kind. Thanks for making the world less competitive for the rest of us at the top.

generative grammer
Jul 28, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

Utnayan posted:

Like that matters? If the money stays in the UK, I doubt they care where it goes as long as it isn't going to bail out the 5th bankruptcy of some socialistic failed experiment from an EU member country. Why should the UK be the bail out mechanic for what are dying countries who cannot support the "Free" programs they give their citizens?

The next to leave, in rapid succession, will be Norway, Denmark, and Sweden because in no way, shape, or form, will they be able to afford the services that must be provided to the immigrants being fed into their countries without seeing the taxation revenue from those same immigrants to support the very programs (Health care, Education) they will have access to, which will, in quick time, bankrupt their country.

not only is norway not an eu state, the nordic welfare state and immigration policies predate EU membership and the basic upkeep provided for a refugee / asylum seeker (not run-of-the-mill migrants who actually have assets) is nothing to be jealous about -- apart from a bed in a boarding house and two warm soup kitchen type meals they get a handful of euros for personal expenses and have to report to the migration authortities daily. maybe you should study the countries you're talking poo poo about before forming an opinion on the matter!!!

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.

Hollow Talk posted:

The German Handelsblatt claims to have gained access to an 8-page whitepaper from the German Ministry of Finance. Apparently, they are expecting difficult divorce talks and recommend pushing for "associated partner country" status for the UK. They are also recommending to not give them preferred access to the common market for fear of inspiring potential imitators from other parts of Europe (the formulation is "no automatism for access to EU inner market").

Source (german): http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik...t/13783492.html

Brief mention: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/top-eu-leader-we-want-britain-out-as-soon-as-possible

Obviously, everybody should learn German anyway now that Merkel will literally take over Europe after England chooses to seek its own liberty and freedom. :hitler:






Hollismason posted:

Haha Germany is going to gently caress England so hard in the negotiations with the EU that the British will build a time machine to go back in time to surrender to Hitler.

Wyld Thang
Feb 23, 2016
I cannot believe Britain allows betting on national referendums using popular vote totals.

Whoever thought of leveraging betting parlors to sway the vote is a loving genius.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
I like that Britain looked at how Germany completely hosed Greece by insisting on hardline tactics and making an example out of them so other countries wouldn't dare to think about leaving the Euro in the future, and thought "Yeah, that's what I want. Let's do that."

Dead Cosmonaut
Nov 14, 2015

by FactsAreUseless
Germans can call their negotiations with Britain Unternehmen Seelöwe II

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

stephenfry posted:

we were talking about the EU, and which countries would leave it when you claimed norway would leave


considering the preponderance of scots in HM Armed Forces they are probably the only people who have them

Royal Navy officers are trusted to use their judgment and thus there are no codes required to fire the nukes:

quote:

In 2007, the UK Government revealed that its nuclear weapons were not equipped with Permissive Action Links. Instead, the UK's nuclear bombs to be dropped by aircraft were armed by just inserting a key into a simple lock similar to those used to protect bicycles from theft. The UK withdrew all air-launched bombs in 1998. The current UK Trident warheads can also be launched by a submarine commander with the support of his crew without any code being transmitted from the chain of command.

So the Scots are one mutiny away from nukes :unsmigghh:

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Crabtree posted:

So if irony reigns supreme and the US somehow takes control of the UK, what would be the trolliest State or Territory name we could give to Britain? I'm thinking a classic New Washington would make the most impact but maybe New Puerto Rico would be more open about what they're going to look forward to.

Assuming France or another country doesn't beat us to the next Conquest of England.

East Virginia. :colbert:

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Alright, so Cameron screwed the pooch and Britain shat the bed. This is clearly distressing news, especially for someone who quite literally quit his old job and moved here two months ago. Obviously right now we don't know how bad this is gonna get, but consensus seems to be that the pound is gonna go to poo poo, My question now is, what the hell do I do to minimize the damage? Do I buy silver and hope for the best? Do I keep moving the cash overseas? Do I keep them in the bank?
I didn't expect to stay here for more than 3-5 years, now I just want to ride out my contract in two years and bail. What's the best way to prevent this shitstorm from affecting the savings I'm trying to build up?

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

A Winner is Jew posted:

East Virginia. :colbert:

Why not just Victoria at that point? Oh wait, its the British Isles.

Huzanko
Aug 4, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Utnayan posted:

But unlike Britain, they are a socialistic country with high taxation rates to support those services everyone is dependent on. And their economy is tanking as a result of that and the loss of higher priced oil revenue. GDP is stagnant, and even decreasing. This country cannot even afford the programs for their own citizens, much less an influx of immigrants. That really is the point. And a reason why the UK left the EU. A global economy cannot be split between two completely governmental ideals. One is inherently corrupt. The other will eventually bankrupt itself. We all know that. It's time to stop pretending that we can give away health care and higher education to everyone on the tax dollars of the output workforce thinking it will come back and return in a cycle. Economy is always in flux, and sooner or later the latter will need to be bailed out. It is a mathematical certainty.

I have seen some posts stating the UK has just started the trend of working against a global economy. A global socio-economy where we are all going to look after one another will not work until there is a sole global government. Then you add in the human equation, and there will always be corruption no matter what happens. In the end, it will tilt back to basics.

You aren't supposed to feed the bears for the fear (And factual inevitable conclusion) that the bears will become dependent on being fed and will cast aside teaching their young how to hunt for their own food. Over time of a few generations, the people that fed the bears leave. The bears don't know how to hunt any longer, they starve, and they will die. The same will inevitably happen to the human race if we continue down this path of stagnation. That doesn't mean we all shouldn't be taking care of each other. We just have to find a new way to do that outside the realm of the current economist policies on both sides of the political fence.

source your quotes plz

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

McCloud posted:

Alright, so Cameron screwed the pooch and Britain shat the bed. This is clearly distressing news, especially for someone who quite literally quit his old job and moved here two months ago. Obviously right now we don't know how bad this is gonna get, but consensus seems to be that the pound is gonna go to poo poo, My question now is, what the hell do I do to minimize the damage? Do I buy silver and hope for the best? Do I keep moving the cash overseas? Do I keep them in the bank?
I didn't expect to stay here for more than 3-5 years, now I just want to ride out my contract in two years and bail. What's the best way to prevent this shitstorm from affecting the savings I'm trying to build up?

Is your salary in pounds sterling? If so you're screwed.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

McCloud posted:

Alright, so Cameron screwed the pooch and Britain shat the bed. This is clearly distressing news, especially for someone who quite literally quit his old job and moved here two months ago. Obviously right now we don't know how bad this is gonna get, but consensus seems to be that the pound is gonna go to poo poo, My question now is, what the hell do I do to minimize the damage? Do I buy silver and hope for the best? Do I keep moving the cash overseas? Do I keep them in the bank?
I didn't expect to stay here for more than 3-5 years, now I just want to ride out my contract in two years and bail. What's the best way to prevent this shitstorm from affecting the savings I'm trying to build up?

wait a month and buy dollars

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

McCloud posted:

Alright, so Cameron screwed the pooch and Britain shat the bed. This is clearly distressing news, especially for someone who quite literally quit his old job and moved here two months ago. Obviously right now we don't know how bad this is gonna get, but consensus seems to be that the pound is gonna go to poo poo, My question now is, what the hell do I do to minimize the damage? Do I buy silver and hope for the best? Do I keep moving the cash overseas? Do I keep them in the bank?
I didn't expect to stay here for more than 3-5 years, now I just want to ride out my contract in two years and bail. What's the best way to prevent this shitstorm from affecting the savings I'm trying to build up?
Invest in gold or other refuge values? I know metals are cliché and libertarian as gently caress but tons of panicked investors are probably planning to do the same since today.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx
https://twitter.com/LotharHS/status/746292683627454464

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

:vince:

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

Toplowtech posted:

Invest in gold or other refuge values? I know metals are cliché and libertarian as gently caress but tons of panicked investors are probably planning to do the same since today.

International markets aren't investing in commodities using pounds. You can't protect yourself from a devalued pound if that's what you're being paid with; using a devalued pound to buy something like gold which is at its most expensive in years is literally the worst thing you can do.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-25/brexit-mood-in-britain-after-historic-refendum-to-leave-eu/7543074

Not immigration/racism guys

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
those whiny bitches afraid of people takin their benefits should see what a real country with no safety nets is like

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
oh no now i have to stand in line behind a NEGRO to get my free health care

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

CrazyLoon posted:

If no one has posted it yet, this is the official theme song in my mind for this fiasco.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKggnBh2Mdw

'my friends are gonna be there too' being Scots, Irish and Wales obviously.

Was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94DNV6oM8HU too easy?

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

corn in the bible posted:

oh no now i have to stand in line behind a NEGRO to get my free health care

the US learned in the 90's that white people are actually the problem

it's why Obama made all the FEMA camps, and thank god for that

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Is your salary in pounds sterling? If so you're screwed.

it is :(

Mechafunkzilla posted:

International markets aren't investing in commodities using pounds. You can't protect yourself from a devalued pound if that's what you're being paid with; using a devalued pound to buy something like gold which is at its most expensive in years is literally the worst thing you can do.

Funny enough, a friend of mine suggested I buy silver about a year ago. Wish I'd listened to him now...

At any point, a devalued pound is obviously not going to help, but can I buy commodities like silver or gold as a way to protect myself from further devaluation of the gbp?

Also, is the reason the price of gold and silver skyrocketing due to everyone crapping their pants and buying gold bullions and silver?

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

A Winner is Jew posted:

the US learned in the 90's that white people are actually the problem

it's why Obama made all the FEMA camps, and thank god for that

will obama's cracker camp provide me with free health care because if so i'm down

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.

McCloud posted:


At any point, a devalued pound is obviously not going to help, but can I buy commodities like silver or gold as a way to protect myself from further devaluation of the gbp?

Sure, but there's nothing stopping the value of gold or silver from declining. Here's a two year trend, it doesn't just go up and up.

http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/gold.aspx?timeframe=2y

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

corn in the bible posted:

will obama's cracker camp provide me with free health care because if so i'm down

You'll just have to name a few names to prove your loyalty now and again and you'll even get extra benefits for good behavior.

So does anyone have that picture of David Cameron and other British politicians when they were together for a class/secret society photo? I think it should have a nice red letter edit of CLASS THAT hosed THE COUNTRY put on it.

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

McCloud posted:

Alright, so Cameron screwed the pooch
He was just trying to make the dead pig jealous.

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

corn in the bible posted:

will obama's cracker camp provide me with free health care because if so i'm down

Well Obama is a noted socialist, so ofc comrade.

EDIT: I think he's half Norwegian.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

Noam Chomsky posted:

source your quotes plz

He can't hotlink to the voices in his head.

Hollow Talk
Feb 2, 2014

Crabtree posted:

You'll just have to name a few names to prove your loyalty now and again and you'll even get extra benefits for good behavior.

So does anyone have that picture of David Cameron and other British politicians when they were together for a class/secret society photo? I think it should have a nice red letter edit of CLASS THAT hosed THE COUNTRY put on it.

Just search for "Bullingdon Club" and pick whatever you like.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Xandu posted:

Sure, but there's nothing stopping the value of gold or silver from declining. Here's a two year trend, it doesn't just go up and up.

http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/gold.aspx?timeframe=2y

Just buy USD. Learn from what third world countries do. You're going to become one soon.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Hollow Talk posted:

Just search for "Bullingdon Club" and pick whatever you like.



Class of '87, voted "most likely to destroy the Union", featuring both David Cameron (back row, second from left) and Boris Johnson (front row, far right).

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
there won't be any student debts when we're living in an unending fema camp hell!!

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Pochoclo posted:

Just buy USD. Learn from what third world countries do. You're going to become one soon.

Seriously this is what the entire world does, US dollar is the reserve currency of the world.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

McCloud posted:

it is :(


Funny enough, a friend of mine suggested I buy silver about a year ago. Wish I'd listened to him now...

At any point, a devalued pound is obviously not going to help, but can I buy commodities like silver or gold as a way to protect myself from further devaluation of the gbp?

Also, is the reason the price of gold and silver skyrocketing due to everyone crapping their pants and buying gold bullions and silver?

Are you retiring this year or something? Just save and invest normally, trying to time markets is a sucker's game.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/746471571540283392

Thanks Britain


e: for the record that's roughly 3/4 of British GDP

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Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.



Hey now the country now saves £13 bn. per year on "membership fees" (eu taxes), that will make up for any economic damage I'm sure.

e: provided it's not all defeatist and doesn't join the common market again of course, in that case it would then go up to £19 bn. without the rebate

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jun 25, 2016

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