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I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

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# ? Jun 24, 2016 13:23

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BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

wrong page

# ? Jun 24, 2016 13:29

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Solemn Sloth posted:

https://twitter.com/gmb/status/746218028195426305

I think we should hold a loving referendum to leave the Commonwealth. I want to punch out of the dumpster-fire that is associating with whats left of the UK.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 13:30

kirbysuperstar: Nov 11, 2012; Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Was this posted yet?

# ? Jun 24, 2016 13:31

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

kirbysuperstar posted:

Was this posted yet?

That's better than their usual Photoshop jobs at least.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 13:39

asio: Nov 29, 2008; "Also Sprach Arnold Jacobs: A Developmental Guide for Brass Wind Musicians" refers to the mullet as an important tool for professional cornet playing and box smashing black and blood

ungulateman posted:

why hasn't my husbando putin conquered europe and slain all the gays yet

Yeah lol because an anti-capitalist criticism of the EU implies support of capitalist Russia.

Recoome posted:

yep it's been really great so far

Capitalism is in crisis, I agree it is pretty great so far.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 13:50

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

Anidav posted:

Reachtel 49-51 to coalition.

this was 0 change

# ? Jun 24, 2016 13:50

Brayds2006: Aug 21, 2011

Birdstrike posted:

this was 0 change

Yeah, it's not as if today's vote has caused Turnbull to surge.

Give it a few days, maybe Tuesday.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 14:00

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Brayds2006 posted:

Yeah, it's not as if today's vote has caused Turnbull to surge.

Give it a few days, maybe Tuesday.

Are they running a newspoll this weekend? That could be interesting/terrifying.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 14:04

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

asio posted:

Yeah lol because an anti-capitalist criticism of the EU implies support of capitalist Russia.

Capitalism is in crisis, I agree it is pretty great so far.

agreedo, can't wait for the fascists to make the big gains

# ? Jun 24, 2016 14:05

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Solemn Sloth posted:

agreedo, can't wait for the fascists to make the big gains

this time a capitalist crisis will definitely lead to full communism

# ? Jun 24, 2016 14:08

Ora Tzo: Feb 26, 2016; HEEEERES TONYYYY

Didn't people say that last time?

# ? Jun 24, 2016 14:11

Sulla Faex: May 14, 2010; No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING

This, this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I can't wait, I'll laugh and laugh as their precious union crumbles around those Yankee scum.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 14:14

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

"Late-stage capitalism" is such an optimistic phrase.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 14:18

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

asio posted:

Yeah lol because an anti-capitalist criticism of the EU implies support of capitalist Russia.

Capitalism is in crisis, I agree it is pretty great so far.

Is this accelerationism? Is this because the EU is mostly neoliberal austerity economics and fairly right wing?

I mean I think it's bad that Britain left the EU because of the impact that is going to have on the lives of thousands upon thousands of people who are currently living and working in the UK from the EU and vice versa, I think it's dumb to pull out and then have to renegotiate the exact same deals and I don't think the "leave" case has been very compelling.

I'm struggling to understand what upside or positive you see in this?

# ? Jun 24, 2016 14:24

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

yess i eagerly await how this will embolden the ultranationalist movement here.

this is great news for freedom and diversity

# ? Jun 24, 2016 14:50

Cleretic: Feb 3, 2010; Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Recoome posted:

yess i eagerly await how this will embolden the ultranationalist movement here.

this is great news for freedom and diversity

Yeah, this'll spur the right wing of the Liberals on hard. But they've NEVER been a problem for ANYONE.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 14:58

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Recoome posted:

yess i eagerly await how this will embolden the ultranationalist movement here.

this is great news for freedom and diversity

God I hope Victoria separates from the Federation if something like Brexit happens here

# ? Jun 24, 2016 15:15

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Yeah I'm at ground zero and I can tell you respondents ant talking about medicare anymore

Brexit made it about the economy again.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 15:16

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
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You Am I posted:

God I hope Victoria separates from the Federation if something like Brexit happens here

Just a nice South Eastern Australian secession with SA and Tassie would be good. Maybe we could even enter into a federation with New Zealand. :unsmith:

# ? Jun 24, 2016 15:23

LibertyCat: Mar 5, 2016; by WE B Bourgeois

I fully support Victoria and Tassie leaving. Cairns is already too much to the Left, I hate to think what living in Melbourne must be like.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 15:44

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LibertyCat posted:

I fully support Victoria and Tassie leaving. Cairns is already too much to the Left, I hate to think what living in Melbourne must be like.

Free and vibrant. I understand why that must be frustrating.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 15:48

Jonah Galtberg: Feb 11, 2009

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

with SA

no thanks

# ? Jun 24, 2016 15:56

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
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Jonah Galtberg posted:

no thanks

Otherwise you'll have intercountry water management debates for years. :shrug:

# ? Jun 24, 2016 16:59

AgentF: May 11, 2009

LibertyCat posted:

I fully support Victoria and Tassie leaving. Cairns is already too much to the Left, I hate to think what living in Melbourne must be like.

You're no IWC.

Jonah Galtberg posted:

no thanks

You don't want to get on our bad side now that we have .��.��`�the subs��`�.��.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 22:46

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

LibertyCat posted:

I fully support Victoria and Tassie leaving. Cairns is already too much to the Left, I hate to think what living in Melbourne must be like.

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# ? Jun 24, 2016 23:07

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

A secret push is under way within the Coalition party room to hobble any positive public vote in favour of same-sex marriage equality by giving conservative MPs and senators express permission to vote in Parliament against reform if their individual electorates had voted in a majority for "no".

Senators would be able to claim the exemption from a national "yes" vote if their home states had voted "no".

The ploy, which was to be kept under wraps until after the election, has been crafted to allow conservative anti-marriage equality campaigners to concentrate their resources in conservative-leaning regional and outer-suburban electorates where there is the greatest chance of winning enough individual contests to frustrate an expected popular vote, in Parliament.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 23:33

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

It wouldn't be a Coalition plan without the built in option for bigots to gently caress it up.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 23:37

Vahtooch: Sep 18, 2009; What is this [S T A N D] going to do? Once its crossed through the barrier, what's it going to do? When it comes in here, and reads my [P O S T S], what's it going to do to me?

If by some horrific measure the libs get in i really hope labor and the greens can actually block a plebiscite. Christ all the horrific bile that came out around safe schools was distressing enough let alone put on a proper national stage.

# ? Jun 24, 2016 23:52

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Looks like a lot of individual seat have been polled by Galaxy and ReachTel. Tasmania seems to be going to Labor, not sure about other trends.

# ? Jun 25, 2016 00:40

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

I feel like these polls must be getting less trustworthy over time, yeah? I mean fewer and fewer people under 30 are going to have land lines, or put themselves in a position where their mobile number is accessible to pollsters.

I can't help but feel that the papers are fine with this, given that I recently read an article discussing research that the party people THINK are going to win is actually more likely to take out an election, even if they're polling lower. I figure a certain percentage of insecure undecided voters will just back the winner rather than dealing with a loss.

These are all mostly feelpinions and I have no real evidence but speaking anecdotally none of this should surprise us.

# ? Jun 25, 2016 01:20

Vladimir Poutine: Aug 13, 2012

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Just a nice South Eastern Australian secession with SA and Tassie would be good. Maybe we could even enter into a federation with New Zealand.

Ideally you want the border to be at just the right latitude that it includes Adelaide and Canberra but excludes Sydney/most of NSW/the seat of Grey. That way we also get a few more cool mountains too. Obviously it wouldn't go further west than the WA border.

# ? Jun 25, 2016 02:34

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Why on earth would Canberra want to join Victoria of all places? Independence or death.

# ? Jun 25, 2016 03:03

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Death works

# ? Jun 25, 2016 03:09

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

open24hours posted:

Why on earth would Canberra want to join Victoria of all places? Independence or death.

Victoria doesn't want Canberra, as Melbourne was the first and correct capital city of this nation.

# ? Jun 25, 2016 03:17

Sticko: Nov 24, 2007; Outrageous Lumpwad

Voted early - no democracy sausage. Would not recommend.

# ? Jun 25, 2016 03:32

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

You Am I posted:

Victoria doesn't want Canberra, as Melbourne was the first and correct capital city of this nation.

Indeed, which is why NSW sooked until they got a capital that was not Melbourne or Victoria but roughly halfway between the capitals in its own state. And only then did it give up its immigration controls, hell if they would let Melbourne have them. We are a derpy nation.

# ? Jun 25, 2016 03:33

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

This is a pro read:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/divided-britain-brexit-money-class-inequality-westminster

quote:

If you�ve got money, you vote in,� she said, with a bracing certainty. �If you haven�t got money, you vote out.� We were in Collyhurst, the hard-pressed neighbourhood on the northern edge of Manchester city centre last Wednesday, and I had yet to find a remain voter. The woman I was talking to spoke of the lack of a local park, or playground, and her sense that all the good stuff went to the regenerated wonderland of big city Manchester, 10 minutes down the road.

Only an hour earlier, I had been in Manchester at a graduate recruitment fair, where nine out of 10 of our interviewees were supporting remain, and some voices spoke about leave voters with a cold superiority. �In the end, this is the 21st century,� said one twentysomething. �Get with it.� Not for the first time, the atmosphere around the referendum had the sulphurous whiff not just of inequality, but a kind of misshapen class war.

And now here we are, with that terrifying decision to leave. Most things in the political foreground are finished, aren�t they? Cameron and Osborne. The Labour party as we know it, now revealed once again as a walking ghost, whose writ no longer reaches its supposed heartlands. Scotland � which at the time of writing had voted to stay in the EU by 62% to 38% � is already independent in most essential political and cultural terms, and will presumably soon be decisively on its way.

Sinn F�in is claiming that the British government �has forfeited any mandate to represent the economic or political interests of people in Northern Ireland�. These are seismic things to happen in peacetime, and this is surely as dramatic a moment for the United Kingdom as � when? The postwar datelines rattle through one�s mind � 1979, 1997, 2010 � and come nowhere near.

Because, of course, this is about so much more than the European Union. It is about class, and inequality, and a politics now so professionalised that it has left most people staring at the rituals of Westminster with a mixture of anger and bafflement. Tangled up in the moment are howling political failures that only compounded that problem: Iraq, the MPs� expenses scandal, the way that Cameron�s flip from big society niceness to hard-faced austerity compounded all the cliches about people you cannot trust, answerable only to themselves (something that applied equally to the first victims of our new politics, the Liberal Democrats).

Most of all, Brexit is the consequence of the economic bargain struck in the early 1980s, whereby we waved goodbye to the security and certainties of the postwar settlement, and were given instead an economic model that has just about served the most populous parts of the country, while leaving too much of the rest to anxiously decline. Look at the map of those results, and that huge island of �in� voting in London and the south-east; or those jaw-dropping vote-shares for remain in the centre of the capital: 69% in Tory Kensington and Chelsea; 75% in Camden; 78% in Hackney, contrasted with comparable shares for leave in such places as Great Yarmouth (71%), Castle Point in Essex (73%), and Redcar and Cleveland (66%). Here is a country so imbalanced it has effectively fallen over.

For six years now, often with my colleague John Domokos, I have been travelling around the UK for our video series Anywhere But Westminster, ostensibly covering politics, but really trying to divine the national mood, if such a thing exists. I look back, and find all sorts of auguries of what has just happened. As an early warning, there was the temporary arrival of the British National party in electoral politics from 2006 onwards, playing on mounting popular anger about immigration from the EU �accession states�, in the midst of Gordon Brown�s �flexible� job market, and a mounting housing crisis.

A few years later, we met builders in South Shields who told us that their hourly rate had come down by �3 thanks to new arrivals from eastern Europe; the mother in Stourbridge who wanted a new school for �our kids�; the former docker in Liverpool who looked at rows of empty warehouses and exclaimed, �Where�s the work?�

In Peterborough in 2013, we found a town riven by cold resentments, where people claimed agencies would only hire non-UK nationals who would work insane shifts for risible rates; in the Ukip heartlands of Lincolnshire, we chronicled communities built around agricultural work and food processing that were cleanly divided in two, between optimistic new arrivals and resentful, miserable locals � where Nigel Farage could pitch up and do back-to-back public meetings to rapturous crowds. Even in the cities that were meant to unanimously spurn the very idea of Brexit, things have always been complicated. Manchester was split 60:40 in favour of remain; in Birmingham last week, I met British-Asian people who talked about leaving the EU with a similar passion and frustration to plenty of white people on the same side.

In so many places, there has long been the same mixture of deep worry and often seething anger. Only rarely has it tipped into outright hate (on that score, I recall Southway in Plymouth, and loud Islamophobia echoing around a forlorn shopping precinct; or the women in Merthyr Tydfil doing laps of the town centre bellowing, �Get �em out!� ), but it still seems to represent a new turn in the national condition. �The gentleness of the English civilisation is perhaps its most marked characteristic. You notice it the instant you set foot on English soil,� wrote George Orwell in 1941. Not now, surely?

What defines these furies is often clear enough: a terrible shortage of homes, an impossibly precarious job market, a too-often overlooked sense that men (and men are particularly relevant here) who would once have been certain in their identity as miners, or steelworkers, now feel demeaned and ignored. The attempts of mainstream politics to still the anger have probably only made it worse: oily tributes to �hardworking families�, or the the fingers-down-a-blackboard trope of �social mobility�, with its suggestion that the only thing Westminster can offer working-class people is a specious chance of not being working class anymore.

And all the time, the story that has now reached such a spectacular denouement has been bubbling a way. Last year, 3.8 million people voted for Ukip. The Labour party�s vote is in a state of seemingly unstoppable decline as its membership becomes ever-more metropolitan and middle class, problems the ascendancy of Jeremy Corbyn has seemingly made worse. Indeed, if the story of the last few months is of politicians who know far too little of their own supposed �core� voters, the Labour leader might be seen as that problem incarnate. The trade unions are nowhere to be seen, and the Thatcher-era ability of Conservatism to speak powerfully to working-class aspiration has been mislaid. In short, England and Wales were characterised by an ever-growing vacuum, until David Cameron � now surely revealed as the most disastrous holder of the office in our democratic history � made the decision that might turn out to have utterly changed the terms of our politics.

Boris Johnson and David Cameron: the last four months has been a catastrophic contest between two men who went to the same exclusive school. Photograph: Reuters
The prime minister evidently thought that the whole debate could be cleanly started and finished in a matter of months. His Eton contemporary Boris Johnson � and, really, can you believe that the political story of the last four months has effectively been a catastrophic contest between two people who went to the same exclusive school? � opportunistically embraced the cause of Brexit in much the same spirit. What they had not figured out was that a diffuse, scattershot popular anger had not yet decisively found a powerful enough outlet, but that the staging of a referendum and the cohering of the leave cause would deliver exactly that. Ukip were held back by both the first-past-the-post electoral system, and the polarising qualities of Farage, but the coalition for Brexit effectively neutralised both. And so it came to pass: the cause of leaving the EU, for so long the preserve of cranks and chancers, attracted a share of the popular vote for which any modern political party would give its eye teeth.

Of course, most of the media, which is largely now part of the same detached London entity that great English patriot William Cobbett called �the thing�, failed to see this coming. Their world is one of photo ops, the great non-event that is PMQs, and absurd debates between figures that the public no longer cares about. The alienation of the people charged with documenting the national mood from the people who actually define it is one of the ruptures that has led to this moment: certainly, wherever I go, the press and television are the focus of as much resentment as politics. While we are on the subject, it is also time we set aside the dismal science of opinion polling, which should surely now stick to product testing and the like. Understanding of the country at large has for too long been framed in percentages and leading questions: it is time people went into the country, and simply listened.

We all know the cruel irony that sits in the midst of all this story: that Britain � or what is left of it � will now take a sharp turn to the right, and the problems that have fed into this moment will only get worse. Well, there we are. History is rarely logical; until it really bites them, a lot of people will probably be more supportive of the kind of super-Thatcherism we may well be subjected to than a lot of other people would like. More to the point, if England and Wales have taken a drastic turn towards uncertainty and dysfunction, it will not be the first time. It is a difficult point to make at a moment like this, but politics will � must � go on. If we fear not just what this decision means for our country but how much it says about Britain�s underlying social condition, we will have to fight. But first, we will have to think, probably more deeply than ever.

Orwell wrote his masterful text The Lion and the Unicorn when Europe was tearing itself apart, and the UK�s isolation was more a matter of righteous principle than political chaos. England, he said, �resembles a family, a rather stuffy Victorian family, with not many black sheep in it but with all its cupboards bursting with skeletons. It has rich relations who have to be kowtowed to and poor relations who are horribly sat upon, and there is a deep conspiracy of silence about the source of the family income.�

With the under-25s having so obviously supported one side, and older people the other, the next line is prescient beyond words: �It is a family in which the young are generally thwarted and most of the power is in the hands of irresponsible uncles and bedridden aunts.� And his last line is just as good: �A family with the wrong members in control � that, perhaps, is as near as one can come to describing England in a phrase.�

With Farage crowing and Johnson and Gove exultant, those words take on a whole new power. And for those of us who woke to the most awful news imaginable, they imply a question we should probably have been asking long before this happened: how do we even begin to put England � and Wales � the right way up? Think about that woman in Collyhurst: �If you�ve got no money, you vote out.� Therein lies not just the against-the-odds triumph of the leavers, but evidence of huge failures that the stunned mainstream of politics has only just begun to acknowledge, let alone do anything about.

# ? Jun 25, 2016 04:17

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

On ground zero I don't trust recent polls at all

All the swing voters has serious election fatigue and won't do anymore polls.

Only the party faithful are taking polls which is why it's locked at 50 50

# ? Jun 25, 2016 04:21

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ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

gay picnic defence posted:

This is a pro read:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/divided-britain-brexit-money-class-inequality-westminster

It's making old Mock The Week episodes really weird, god knows how they mock this now.

# ? Jun 25, 2016 04:34

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