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Boris Johnson got where he is because he plays the lovable buffoon and people fall for it. He's easily as smart as Cameron, probably more so. The only resemblance he has to trump is visual. Also, why can't you start new threads from the awful app?
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You can, it is the same as the new post button but you have to be on the thread list.
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Jun 25, 2016 20:15
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mariooncrack posted:Altima guy must've bought upgraded and got a Rogue That takes me back to a place and time where the Internet taught me a lot about people  In happier news I bought one of the blipshift shirts for myself and the other for my wife. I'm hoping hers will fit right. It's her first blipshift shirt so I'm hoping it goes over well
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Jun 25, 2016 20:17
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Elmnt80 posted:Nah, you want robo to really trip out. Also, Boris Johnson kinda reminds me of a british version of Donald Trump. Farage is our trump
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Jun 25, 2016 20:45
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To any and all goons considering purchasing Vvivid automotive vinyl - DO NOT! It is complete and utter trash. Vvivid claims that it has "air release technology", this is utter bullshit. They also claim that it can be applied dry without any application agents (heavily diluted dish soap, etc). This is also a flat out lie. In addition, they claim that it acts like all other automotive vinyl in regards to heat - once again not true. gently caress Vvivid vinyl and chances are - they're garbage as a company to deal with as well. I have very very little hope that I'll be able to return my last roll for a refund. I should see what options I have through my CC regarding charge backs since the product is 100% not as advertised.
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Jun 25, 2016 21:07
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corn in the fridge posted:Farage is our trump Farage is your white supremacy leader that trump won't publically denounce. It's absolutely astounding that people like Johnson and Farage are taken seriously by so many people. I mean, imagine Rob Ford running for prime minister after he lost his position as mayor of toronto. At least he had a funny, Chris Farley form of idiocy, not a terrifying Ted Nugent form of idiocy.
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Jun 25, 2016 21:09
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It's not astounding at all. These people have been ignored and marginalised for 35+ years and now somebody is listening to them and giving them a voice. It doesn't matter that their fears and concerns are being misdirected, they're exercising a power they've been denied for a long time
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Jun 25, 2016 21:56
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corn in the fridge posted:It's not astounding at all. These people have been ignored and marginalised for 35+ years and now somebody is listening to them and giving them a voice. It doesn't matter that their fears and concerns are being misdirected, they're exercising a power they've been denied for a long time lmao this is the best joke you've ever told e: ahahahahaha 
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Jun 25, 2016 22:17
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corn in the fridge posted:It's not astounding at all. These people have been ignored and marginalised for 35+ years and now somebody is listening to them and giving them a voice. It doesn't matter that their fears and concerns are being misdirected, they're exercising a power they've been denied for a long time Those poor, oppressed, under-represented, racist, conservative old people  When will a government finally listen to them. 
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Jun 25, 2016 22:21
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BigPaddy posted:You can, it is the same as the new post button but you have to be on the thread list. It would appear this is not a thing in the android app.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:27
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The 280ZX just ran for the first time in 10 years. Think I'll get drunk tonight to celebrate.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:37
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Powershift posted:Those poor, oppressed, under-represented, racist, conservative old people I'll excuse your ignorance for unfamiliarity with recent British political history, but a significant portion of leave supporters are traditional Labour voters i.e. working class liberals; especially the older generation who remember or even participated in the miners strikes of the 80s. These are people who were left behind by the neoliberalism of the Thatcher government, ignored by New Labour, and hit hardest by Cameron's austerity policies following the crash of 2008. The difference in the referendum results falls along a class divide, not an ideological one. Their vote to leave the EU was a big two fingers to the ruling elite who had all but forgotten them. It's not astounding or surprising or anything, merely disappointing
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Jun 25, 2016 22:59
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Yeah and now every interview is them going "golly gee we didn't know it counted!" They're loving idiots and I hope they enjoy the downfall of the economy they caused with their ignorance and racism that was seemingly stoked by 90% of your media and politicians. Truly you're the country that birthed america. On another note, stayed up at work until 1 last night watching TV. Trying to smoke ribs today and fell asleep for two hours. So glad the smoker can hold temp 
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corn in the fridge posted:I'll excuse your ignorance for unfamiliarity with recent British political history, but a significant portion of leave supporters are traditional Labour voters i.e. working class liberals; especially the older generation who remember or even participated in the miners strikes of the 80s. These are people who were left behind by the neoliberalism of the Thatcher government, ignored by New Labour, and hit hardest by Cameron's austerity policies following the crash of 2008. The difference in the referendum results falls along a class divide, not an ideological one. Their vote to leave the EU was a big two fingers to the ruling elite who had all but forgotten them. It's not astounding or surprising or anything, merely disappointing The polls suggest different. http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/#more-14746 This chart, specifically, pokes holes in what you've said. There is a clear ideological divide.  I highly doubt working class liberals and those hurt by austerity see social liberalism as a force for ill.
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Jun 25, 2016 23:17
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I've been stewing about it for the last 48 hours and I still can't believe what a mess this all is. I assume that there are now 16 million people like me that just don't know what the gently caress is going on or what we are supposed to do. I am especially aggrieved that I will likely lose the EU citizenship that I was born with and was hoping to take more advantage of by being able to easily bugger off to somewhere nicer. I guess I need to pull my finger out and finish off my camper van and get that European road trip that i've been planning for years done and see what happens and if the remainder of the EU will accept refugees from the UK once our 2 years is up.
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Jun 25, 2016 23:17
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$9 for a Toro push mower air filter, wtf my Miata filter was cheaper
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Jun 25, 2016 23:21
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leica posted:$9 for a Toro push mower air filter, wtf my Miata filter was cheaper Oh poo poo, thanks for reminding me that I have to buy a lawnmower in a month.
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Jun 25, 2016 23:25
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leica posted:$9 for a Toro push mower air filter, wtf my Miata filter was cheaper Bitch that's what cheese cloth is for.
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Jun 25, 2016 23:27
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Tomarse posted:I've been stewing about it for the last 48 hours and I still can't believe what a mess this all is. I assume that there are now 16 million people like me that just don't know what the gently caress is going on or what we are supposed to do. It's the 17 million that contain those going "But whaaa? I don't understand? Muh subsidies?"
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Jun 25, 2016 23:29
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iwentdoodie posted:Bitch that's what cheese cloth is for. I was just gonna run it without one, but the "fix it right" in me won't let it happen 
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Jun 25, 2016 23:29
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Last night some loser on a Harley woke me up trying to do a burnout on the street below me after leaving the bar around 1:00. Was revving the absolute balls off of it and dumping the clutch with a baby little *chirp* and then stalling it, over and over again. What a loving chump.
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leica posted:I was just gonna run it without one, but the "fix it right" in me won't let it happen 
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Powershift posted:The polls suggest different. You seem to hold some contempt for the working classes. I hope you don't consider yourself a socialist because you arent one
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Jun 25, 2016 23:34
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Phone posted:Oh poo poo, thanks for reminding me that I have to buy a lawnmower in a month. Live the dream  Just waiting for mine to die so I can get one of these......Why did I put a new filter on it I'm dumb
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Jun 25, 2016 23:35
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leica posted:Live the dream I suggested an electric mower at work the other day and got shouted down so hard it was sad Also shock and surprise corn equates working class with xenophobia and being afraid of anything that hasn't existed for 60+ years. Britain deserves whatever happens to it because of this vote.
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iwentdoodie posted:Also shock and surprise corn equates working class with xenophobia and being afraid of anything that hasn't existed for 60+ years. Britain deserves whatever happens to it because of this vote. Ive actually been saying the exact opposite, you clearly have a very dim understanding of what's going on in the world
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corn in the fridge posted:You seem to hold some contempt for the working classes. I hope you don't consider yourself a socialist because you arent one I hate to agree with Corn but..... sorry he's got it closer to the truth. corn in the fridge posted:I'll excuse your ignorance for unfamiliarity with recent British political history, but a significant portion of leave supporters are traditional Labour voters i.e. working class liberals; especially the older generation who remember or even participated in the miners strikes of the 80s. These are people who were left behind by the neoliberalism of the Thatcher government, ignored by New Labour, and hit hardest by Cameron's austerity policies following the crash of 2008. The difference in the referendum results falls along a class divide, not an ideological one. Their vote to leave the EU was a big two fingers to the ruling elite who had all but forgotten them. It's not astounding or surprising or anything, merely disappointing There is very clear evidence of this. Please do some listening to the BBC or read the Guardian as a start before lumping the Leavers into the racist old twat basket. And also read closely, Corn said signifigant portion. This is true. If you look at the strongest Leave areas, they are all the areas that have been hardest hit by Thatcher, Globalisation and now Cameron's BS. Not saying there arent racist fucks but there is also a lot of anger and frustration in areas that have been utterly hosed over for 35 years. Sad thing is, the EU has done a lot to help them and they are going to get assfucked even harder as a result of Leave.
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Powershift posted:The polls suggest different. iwentdoodie posted:Yeah and now every interview is them going "golly gee we didn't know it counted!" Until the middle of last week, if you went by the mainstream news or the official polls it was apparently still a protest vote that wasn't going to count for anything. I didn't realise this vote was actually going to matter until around Wednesday. Corn is pretty good on this one. You guys are both assuming you understand this situation from your position outside the UK - please consider that even our own prime minister in this country didn't understand it until 4am on friday morning!. InitialDave posted:I think there's 16 million people who know exactly what the gently caress is going on, which is why we voted Remain in the first place. I just hate uncertainty and the unknown and how nobody has any answers for what is next. I don't want to be trapped on a shrinking island with Boris and Gove! iwentdoodie posted:Britain deserves whatever happens to it because of this vote. Hey, thanks - Remember 48.1% of us didnt vote for this!
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Actually about 70-odd% didn't vote for this, so we can throw some blame the way of those who didn't vote at all too.
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I think the whole "working class vote X" is a mistaken paradigm here. There are a lot of working class people who are intelligent, aware of the world stage, and able to go into a referendum like this with a clear picture of what it's all about. I know several. There are also an awful lot who are not. They're loving idiots. But that's not because they're working class. Cakefool posted:Actually about 70-odd% didn't vote for this, so we can throw some blame the way of those who didn't vote at all too.
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50+ percent of us didn't vote for Bush and you guys still give us poo poo about it. Sorry if we base our views on what actually makes it out of the country...which is 90% racism and idiocy, the same as you all give us poo poo for. It sucks for your entire country, and the fact that even people who voted leave are now regretting it shows that it was a mistake. But Google trends from UK ip addresses and reports from before and after the votes don't paint anyone who voted leave in a good light or as anything other than idiots who didn't think poo poo through.
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iwentdoodie posted:50+ percent of us didn't vote for Bush and you guys still give us poo poo about it. This is forever. Article 49 return in the future? Good loving luck, and the terms would be horrible. iwentdoodie posted:Sorry if we base our views on what actually makes it out of the country...which is 90% racism and idiocy, the same as you all give us poo poo for. Saying they're racist or stupid is probably ok.
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iwentdoodie posted:Well, racists are stupid, and stupid people are more likely to be racist, so I'm comfortable with the generalization. E.G. not everyone who voted leave is a neo nazi. But every neo nazi was in favour of leave.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:I hate to agree with Corn but..... sorry he's got it closer to the truth. I'm not saying they don't have a reason to be angry, but I believe they allowed their anger to be steered by UKIP and the anti-immigrant crowd into acting against their own self interest. Without a strong contingent of people, with a base of 4 million UKIP voters with 19 in 20 voting leave, a protest vote would have been just that, a protest vote. Immigrants were scapegoated into being responsible for decades of short sighted economic policies. It's clearly happening in areas of canada, too. Real estate being treated as an economic driver, when it results in an affordable housing crisis that starts eating into every other sector of the economy, foreign investment, specifically chinese, is blamed. "Leave the EU' wasn't the working class vote, and isn't in the interest of the working class. Many of them were manipulated through their fears and prejudices. It's clear leaving the EU would only empower the ruling elite it's suggested they were rebelling against. If they were so downtrodden for 35 years, there was a general election a year ago where a protest vote would have created a change. Using a binary vote with potentially disastrous results is clearly the wrong place to do it. If you want to shake the tree, shake the loving tree. Don't grab a blindfold and an axe and start swinging. Yeah 30% of lib dem participants voted leave, and 27% of 18-24 year olds, but no single rain drop feels responsible for the flood, and what i'm sure most now recognize as a mistake was still propped up by a large base who clearly identified immigration as one of the most important, if not the single issue they voted on. It's kind of like Trump. He's a racist shithead. Even if you're considering voting for him based on some inane policy of his that really hits home for you, you're still voting for, and voting with racist shitheads.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:I hate to agree with Corn but..... sorry he's got it closer to the truth. I'm going to third this. These people got hosed over by globalisation and voted for the closest thing to a solution they were presented with even though it was wrong. You can call them dumb or whatever but I really don't think you can fault the people that voted for this, they just want to stop being hosed in the rear end and don't know what to do about it. I'm no where near right wing but the left has had a tinge of elitism to it in recent years and I can understand why its driving a lot of the blue collar voters away.
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No economist or financial expert of any note supported the leave side, the leave side themselves mostly concede that it would be economically disastrous in general and try to either focus attention on very narrow special interests (Undemocratic EU animal cruelty laws hogtie True British factory farms in red tape!) or just making every possible assumption about what happens afterwards (we could individually negotiate free trade with the EU and other countries and be back to where we started!) no matter how implausible. Cameron agreed to the referendum expecting that remain would win easily because at the time of the election the european refugee flow hadn't reached the levels that it would. No one voted to leave because of some nebulous economic disenfranchisement due to globalization, they voted to leave because they are terrified of brown people. That's why Farage doesn't have a picture of a Range Rover that was going to be sold to Germany but can now be sold to China on his bus, but a picture of a mass of brown people. Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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I can't believe the UK has, at least temporarily, upstaged the dumpster fire that is the US presidential elections.
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Throatwarbler posted:No one voted to leave because of some nebulous economic disenfranchisement due to globalization, they voted to leave because they are terrified of brown people. The fact that they were blatantly lied to by greasy dickwads is on said greasy dickwads. The fact that they were both incapable of understanding for themselves why this was total bollocks, or of listening to all the people who did, who were telling them it was total bollocks, is on them.
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1500quidporsche posted:I'm going to third this. These people got hosed over by globalisation and voted for the closest thing to a solution they were presented with even though it was wrong. You can call them dumb or whatever but I really don't think you can fault the people that voted for this, they just want to stop being hosed in the rear end and don't know what to do about it. I'm no where near right wing but the left has had a tinge of elitism to it in recent years and I can understand why its driving a lot of the blue collar voters away. In the last decade, the political landscape in the UK has been quite dynamic, and is capable of being quite dynamic. It's not like the US Where despite sanders popularity, because he only gets 48% of one of the 2 parties, he's completely marginalized. If a populist like sanders could rise to the same levels in the UK, they would gain a reasonable amount of sway in the political discussion. UKIP has gone from 600k to 900k to 3.8 million in a decade. They didn't win many seats, but parties attempting to reclaim those voters had to appeal with type of rhetoric that gave UKIP that popularity. I am watching from a distance, from the outside looking in, but i also have no emotional attachment either way. It's not something i can influence, and not something i'm largely affected by, but i am still a human being. It seems clear to me that one group has manipulated a second group to harm a third. In the end, i think the second group is as responsible as the first. Personally, here in alberta, a conservative goverment likely would have benefited me economically, but i couldn't vote for them because of the damage they had done through their corruption, and the damage they were actively doing socially. There was a massive swing from a 41 year conservative majority to a NDP(socialist) majority, and that didn't bother me much. I see it as short term pain vs long term serious harm. I have to bite my tongue when it comes to political discussion for the most part, but the NDP will be likely be out within a few years, and their activity will likely pull the political discussion the province much further towards center, and hopefully drain the bad blood from the provincial conservative party. I voted liberal federally because harper, the conservative leader was as disgusting a
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