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How will you be voting in the UKEU Referendum? This poll is closed. |
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| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
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328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
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115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
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506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
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157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
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61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
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19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
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411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
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533 | 25.02% |
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Angepain posted:a bus to Scotland can't be that expensive, surely Well, not financially anyway
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Verizian posted:How much does it cost to buy a Tory anyway? I mean could we crowdfund one of the fuckers to drop their pants in parliament and hum the Mars Attacks theme really loudly whenever one of the others tries some dog whistling?
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Jun 26, 2016 00:34
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brawleh posted:Corbyn is doing the right things by the Labour party with a more grassroots approach - concern about his popularity or whatever is missing the point.... I'll phrase it as: Discussions about Corbyn always boil down to accelerationism versus gradualism. I can't count how many times I've read someone post "the Overton window has shifted to the right so much in recent years...." in this thread, so my question is how does that reconcile to having a true socialist as the alternative option to a government that increased their vote share on an austerity platform? Maybe the wrong week to be making this claim, but British political history does not have a lot of incidences of massive governmental shifts. The government that came after is usually not that different to the government that came before, I just don't think it's how the voters vote unless it suddenly gets massively, massively worse like it did in Greece. So I understand what every one of you are saying. But my point is about the virtues of risk-aversion - what if it doesn't work? My first choice would be Corbyn becomes prime minister and implements robust socialist policies. If we can't get that (and we probably won't get that), I can live with Chuka for five years, Sadiq Khan five after that, then - after we've shifted the beloved Overton window to the left a few points, normalised a centre-left voice again, and made the Tories move to the middle again like they did in the 2000s - try it with a real socialist. it's playing it much more safe but it limits the possibility of Labour getting blown out of the water and it's 15-20 years of Tory governments, with Labour being forced to move even further to the right to grab back votes. Thing is, I believe that most of the thread have considered all of the above as well. So one thing I want to point out is that there's no reason the choice has to be build grassroots or have a clear national message. It's not "Corbyn" or "a Blairite robot", it's "Corbyn who becomes more effective at presenting his message amongst those he needs to convince" or "Corbyn who loses at the GE, gets ousted by treacherous short-sighted backbenchers and the left doesn't get another chance for a generation". How well he's doing with the man on the street is irrelevant, the PLP have the power to get rid of him and they *will* do it unless something changes. I'm not happy about it either. Hoops fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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Jun 26, 2016 00:37
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Angepain posted:I mean, I can't blame him. Being tricked into getting the country hosed is one thing, but being forced into doing the loving yourself is another Definitely one last dead pig joke in here somewhere
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Jun 26, 2016 00:37
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what happens to cameron now does he stay in the uk or flee to the virgin islands to spend more time with his money cant see him getting a blair style international position after he hosed up their clubs otoh they do seem to like the irony of it all so they might make him the un envoy for peace in the former united kingdom when we all start eating eachother
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Jun 26, 2016 00:38
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XMNN posted:say what you like about hitler he hadd his principles and he stuck by them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_29yvYpf4w&t=23s
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Jun 26, 2016 00:38
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he retires and remains poo poo rich at his home in the cotswolds or wherever the gently caress it is he lives
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Jun 26, 2016 00:38
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Tortuga posted:one last dead pig joke *rosins bow with dripping and plays Nearer My God*
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Jun 26, 2016 00:40
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Tortuga posted:Definitely one last dead pig joke in here somewhere Cameron: hosed a pig. Screwed the pooch.
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Jun 26, 2016 00:40
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Hoops posted:after we've shifted the beloved Overton window to the left a few points, normalised a centre-left voice again, and made the Tories move to the middle again like they did in the 2000s - try it with a real socialist. I mean that is quite literally what is happening with Corbyn?
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Jun 26, 2016 00:42
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Hoops posted:Ashcroft poll says Labour voters were 63/37 Remain. I'm really sorry, but that's not impressive at all. A while back but why not? Greens voted 75% Remain and Lib Dems 70%, and their voting bases are much less likely to be suffering all the things that the EU and immigrants are blamed for. A year ago Labour was agreeing with the Tories about Strong Decisions and Controls On Immigration, and now they had to go out and argue the opposite, counter that embedded narrative and convince people who are struggling that this isn't the answer to their prayers 63% seems pretty good, especially if Tim Farron gets to ride around on his 70% high horse calling Corbyn a failure
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Jun 26, 2016 00:43
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Jun 26, 2016 00:43
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Tigey posted:Who?
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Jun 26, 2016 00:44
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XMNN posted:say what you like about hitler he hadd his principles and he stuck by them wait no he didn't his only principle was "i want to be leader" and he quit as soon as it looked like he might have to do some work fixing up his own mess
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Jun 26, 2016 00:44
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:wait no he didn't
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Jun 26, 2016 00:46
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:wait no he didn't if Cameron followed that leader over this I would be happier tbh
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Jun 26, 2016 00:46
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nopantsjack posted:I mean that is quite literally what is happening with Corbyn?
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Jun 26, 2016 00:47
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His policies included "get the jews out of germany", and also the classic "expand the borders of germany until it covers the entire globe"
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Jun 26, 2016 00:47
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Tesseraction posted:if Cameron followed that leader over this I would be happier tbh How docile are the pigs in Argentina?
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Jun 26, 2016 00:47
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:wait no he didn't wait are we still talking about hitler
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Jun 26, 2016 00:47
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ShredsYouSay posted:wait are we still talking about hitler we're always talking about hitler
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Jun 26, 2016 00:49
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Guavanaut posted:Plus he literally murdered the guys who came up with the original philosophy of national socialism who we aren't allowed to talk about because they were in the way. until this post I thought we were still talking about cameron e: goddamnit
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Jun 26, 2016 00:49
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David Cameron is the Francesco Schettino of the HMS United Kingdom, apparently.
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Jun 26, 2016 00:50
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All right so here's a thing from the Ashcroft poll Basically it's various issues and how important they were in the final vote, and which side 'won' each issue. Looks like that bullshitting about the NHS paid off handsomely
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Jun 26, 2016 00:52
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ShredsYouSay posted:wait are we still talking about hitler i thought we were talking about cameron which is why I thought it was weird someone was saying he had principles hitler, yeah, he stood for something
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Jun 26, 2016 00:53
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baka kaba posted:All right so here's a thing from the Ashcroft poll being fair our influence in the world is probably a bad thing when was the last time we genuinely had a compassionate or humanistic foreign policy push? cameron had to be strong-armed to accept refugees from wars we caused ffs
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Jun 26, 2016 00:54
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No way are there 48 lib dems.
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Jun 26, 2016 00:54
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"Fairness in the welfare system"
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Jun 26, 2016 00:54
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If I read any more of the comments on this article I'm gonna have a stroke
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Jun 26, 2016 00:55
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https://you.38degrees.org.uk/p/ScotlandishereforEU Seems to be a petition for allowing asylum seekers here from the rest of the UK. I think that's preety nice actually and I think we should all share it to friends and family so we can work toegether to resolve this matter. David Cameran
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Jun 26, 2016 00:55
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qhat posted:So my Romanian bro is gonna be saving up for the next 6-8 months before immigrating somewhere else, cos hosed if he's gonna stay in a country where 51.9% of people want him out Which uh is exactly what they want. Job well done says Farage 
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Jun 26, 2016 00:56
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Oh yeah, if there's any space to walk this back at all it's gonna happen. Too many rich people got their fortunes reduced slightly. There's no way there's any real follow-through with Brexit.
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Jun 26, 2016 00:56
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Saw a trump voter misspell 'sovereignty', stopped reading
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Jun 26, 2016 00:57
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jabby posted:No way are there 48 lib dems. no he means the 48% who voted remain... which weakens his argument somewhat as 48% is less than half... not v. democratic tim fuckstain it's meant to reflect that "we are the 99%" but stupider sounding
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Jun 26, 2016 00:58
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Tesseraction posted:being fair our influence in the world is probably a bad thing The UK is arguably the most influential country when it comes to international development (ie: aid) issues
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Jun 26, 2016 00:58
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Good luck if your chances of victory rely on 18-25s getting out to vote
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Jun 26, 2016 00:58
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Tigey posted:The UK is arguably the most influential country when it comes to international development (ie: aid) issues oh? in a positive way?
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Jun 26, 2016 00:59
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This is probably a bit E/N because it's mostly personal and not hugely about Brexit until the end. This might not even be the best topic to post about this either really, but it's the one I've been reading while all this has been happening. I'm going to admit from the start of this post, I'm pretty stupid, I don't know much of politics or law or the intricacies of EU legislation, etc. I did however vote Remain because I know staying with the EU is the best for this country (and sadly that didn't happen). To be honest I've never particularly liked living in the UK, I've always wanted to leave and live & work in another country, either somewhere in Europe or in the USA (even though that is unlikely). Recently during the past few months I've been trying to change my life, improve things for myself so I've pushing hard to try to do that, applying for many jobs, and seeing if I can find work elsewhere. Like I say, I'm not particularly smart, I'm not hugely educated (a few years at college). I'm good at what people think of as somewhat mind-numbing work (such as data entry, computer repair/maintenance and well, I like video games so I've been wanting to get into QA work) because I like to focus on tasks to do. So yeah, not the most exciting of work and not really one companies are jumping at to employ especially if I want to emigrate to do it. This leads me to Brexit because I am sure this has made it a whole lot more difficult for me to do what I want (get out of this country, and be productive somewhere else, which I want to do even more now) because as I see it there are probably many more people wanting to leave here now for another country. I imagine companies would have to consider that, seeing I'm British and want to move to the country they're in, so maybe they would think I'm just trying to get out and I don't care about the job so that lowers my chances? I know the EU has many agreements in place with all it's countries to allow freedom of travel and ease of immigration to work, so in the future when the UK leaves all these go away and it'll be much more difficult to work in another country. I'd need visas and whatnot to move and work, much like how it is to try to move to the USA. Also, if I did get a job right now in another EU country, when the UK does leave would that cause problems and put my job at risk? What with not being part of the EU with the travel and work agreements in place and needing visas, etc, making it possible I may not be allowed to continue working? Assuming I'd find a stable job for a number of years and really enjoy the country I move to, I always thought I'd like to apply for citizenship to be a member of that country. I think that would be much harder when the UK leaves.
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qhat posted:18-25 turnout 36% are you loving kidding me Down 7% on the GE, that's going to be for a variety of reasons.
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