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| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
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328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
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115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
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506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
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157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
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61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
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19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
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411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
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533 | 25.02% |
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Dante80 posted:Is there a chance that this "coup" works? What instigated it? Corbyn was supposed to lose with 0% of the vote at the last leadership election; he was only nominated so the right wing of the party could tell the left wing of the party it was unelectable and to go back into its box for another election cycle. Then he won and they've been looking to perform a coup ever since, the only thing that "instigated" it was Corbyn existing.
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SUNKOS posted:Corbyn managed to get the majority of Labour supporters to vote remain
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Jun 25, 2016 22:51
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Dante80 posted:I thought that Corbyn was something close to the only loving rational political player you had left in the country or sth. Yes, thats why they want to get rid of him. No, best case scenario for them they destroy Labour for a generation.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:52
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Dante80 posted:I thought that Corbyn was something close to the only loving rational political player you had left in the country or sth. Bitter Blairites being assholes. There's always a chance, but the Labour party regulations don't actually account for the idea that a sitting leader would be ousted, so it's unclear whether the sitting leader or his nominee would be guaranteed a seat - the leadership election rules assume that the party is without leadership when a leadership election is taking place. Pissflaps posted:Corbyn being poo poo. lol no
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Jun 25, 2016 22:52
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Corbyn was supposed to lose with 0% of the vote at the last leadership election; he was only nominated so the right wing of the party could tell the left wing of the party it was unelectable and to go back into its box for another election cycle. Can I read more background about this because it is the most beautiful thing ever.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:53
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Dante80 posted:I thought that Corbyn was something close to the only loving rational political player you had left in the country or sth. this is why he must go, yes e:f,b
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Jun 25, 2016 22:53
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Hoops posted:But it does mean that it didn't work very well. A national campaign without the media is an oxymoron - if he can't get Labour voters to agree with things he says he believes, that's a problem. My concern is him becoming the Labour Michael Howard - the people who are with him see exactly what he stands for and consider him a man of incredible substance, the people who are either neutral or against him write him off as a complete non-entity. I absolutely share this concern, and have said so. But Corbyn being bad at playing the media is still different from people claiming he didn't campaign hard enough, which I'm hearing a lot and is patently bollocks. Every comment from him was intelligent & nuanced & I agreed with. He needs to get better at soundbites or else better at getting his message out to people by another way. And right now that doesn't exist. At the same time, he's not going to. He's not that politician. He doesn't want to speak in soundbites. Which is admirable, but unless everyone else agrees it's probably futile. And the people he really needs to reach aren't the sort of people who follow a hundred different political accounts on social media, the papers & TV & radio are the only way to get through to them, if a method exists at all. I mentioned in the days before the referendum that I was concerned because I didn't vote for Corbyn to win an election, I wanted him to bring socialist ideas back into the mainstream, which would ideally lead to them being more accepted. And that's obviously not happened even a little bit in the past 9 months and that's a worry. I've certainly started to lose faith, but I still don't see a better realistic alternative. Until there is one, it seems...I'm not voting for someone from the Labour right until they show they've learned the lessons of the past 20+ years and that the consequences of neo-liberalism need to be addressed. Urgently. Creating an underclass while turning everyone else into the middle class might have worked well for those at the very top, but Labour shouldn't be for them.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:54
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Hoops posted:Ashcroft poll says Labour voters were 63/37 Remain. I'm really sorry, but that's not impressive at all. SNP was 64/36 and had a smaller voter base to split.
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Dante80 posted:I thought that Corbyn was something close to the only loving rational political player you had left in the country or sth. the parliamentary labour party, the inner-party interest group that sets policy discussions, have never supported Corbyn and never will. They think the fact he won the largest electoral landslide in British history after 6 consecutive reelections, each by a larger amount than the last, was a series of flukes. They wish to discuss Serious Policy, which is apparently dribbling from the mouth over some paper and getting hosed hard by whoever's paid the most for the pleasure.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:54
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It's alright folks, Ed Miliband thinks you should hold off on that backstabbing for a bi-oh well...quote:http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/pic-ed-miliband-talked-brexit-at-glastonbury-and-tried-to-offer-some-hope-heres-what-we-learned
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Hoops posted:Ashcroft poll says Labour voters were 63/37 Remain. I'm really sorry, but that's not impressive at all. Really? Why, on an issue that was so close nationally?
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Jun 25, 2016 22:54
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Hoops posted:Ashcroft poll says Labour voters were 63/37 Remain. I'm really sorry, but that's not impressive at all. I kinda think this is all a bit stupid, aside from its a fun past-time to blame Corbyn for everything. What is gained, after the Leave voters won, by yelling at Corbyn for not convincing the winning side they were wrong? As opposed to Corbyn's apparently tactic of "Well, we're out, I understand why, lets get some work done,". He is literally the only politician apart from Sturgeon at the moment who appears to have some idea of what he's doing and Labour seems to be furious at him for not mourning or panicking enough.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:55
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Pissflaps posted:Corbyn being poo poo.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:55
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So the new idea now the left have tried playing nice is to make whatever the far right are doing illegal and oppose it with lethal state-backed force? Rather smart of the tory right to have an ongoing dismantling of the state broadcaster while this is all happening
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Jun 25, 2016 22:55
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Dante80 posted:I thought that Corbyn was something close to the only loving rational political player you had left in the country or sth. It might not work this time but it will eventually. The more the Labour right do this poo poo the more they turn off the people who joined Labour last summer to elect Corbyn. And they are totally OK with that, despite the huge question marks over the funding blackhole Labour will be left with if it sheds a couple of hundred thousand fee-paying members.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:56
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Hoops posted:Ashcroft poll says Labour voters were 63/37 Remain. I'm really sorry, but that's not impressive at all. It's Pretty Good considering the general trends around Labour's core voters (viz: heavy leave).
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Jun 25, 2016 22:56
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JT Jag posted:I'm a relatively new poster here, quick question, is Corbyn-hatred Pissflaps' gimmick or is he being earnest in a gimmicky manner Neither. It's my opinion. One that is shared by most people.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:56
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JT Jag posted:I'm a relatively new poster here, quick question, is Corbyn-hatred Pissflaps' gimmick or is he being earnest in a gimmicky manner Flaps has the same disease everyone describing themselves as middle class does, which Americans call Temporarily embarassed millionaire effect. He believes that despite Jeremy Corbyn being in everyone's best interest, he would be better off simply becoming mega-rich. Pissflaps posted:Neither. It's my opinion. One that is shared by most people. he's never lost an election flaps so yet again you are fantastically wrong about anything british politics. You should retire tbh, it's getting sad.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:57
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JT Jag posted:I'm a relatively new poster here, quick question, is Corbyn-hatred Pissflaps' gimmick or is he being earnest in a gimmicky manner Yes.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:57
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JT Jag posted:I'm a relatively new poster here, quick question, is Corbyn-hatred Pissflaps' gimmick or is he being earnest in a gimmicky manner Yes.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:57
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JT Jag posted:I'm a relatively new poster here, quick question, is Corbyn-hatred Pissflaps' gimmick or is he being earnest in a gimmicky manner Nah, he's being honest in his hatred, his gimmick is being a tedious pedant who still manages to lead UKMT off in 10 page derails on the most irrelevant & minor of quibbles.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:57
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Spangly A posted:Flaps has the same disease everyone describing themselves as middle class does When have you seen me describing myself as middle class?
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Hoops posted:Ashcroft poll says Labour voters were 63/37 Remain. I'm really sorry, but that's not impressive at all. You're statistically illiterate too I see.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:57
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Angepain posted:this is why he must go, yes I'm beginning to really love UK, in a very twisted way.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:58
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JT Jag posted:I'm a relatively new poster here, quick question, is Corbyn-hatred Pissflaps' gimmick or is he being earnest in a gimmicky manner No, Pissflaps' gimmick is just laconic smugness, he does appear to have actual opinions he holds on top of that
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Jun 25, 2016 22:58
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Dante80 posted:I thought that Corbyn was something close to the only loving rational political player you had left in the country or sth. There's coups against Corbyn's leadership every other day at this point, and it's precisely because he's one of the only rational political players that we have. There's still people within his party that think they can recreate the success that Tony Blair had by appealing to Conservative voters, and that simply won't happen again, as we saw during the 2015 GE where Labour were utterly crushed. Hoops posted:Ashcroft poll says Labour voters were 63/37 Remain. I'm really sorry, but that's not impressive at all. If 52/48 is good enough to completely destroy the United Kingdom as we know it, then Corbyn's accomplishments for the referendum can be seen as an act of God the likes of which mere mortals can only dream of.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:58
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I just read up on what a shadow cabinet was. So if these fuckers keep trying to coup Corbyn, and he's the leader of the shadow cabinet, why doesn't he just shuffle and get rid of them? It sounds like they're acting like petulant children.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:58
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Pissflaps posted:Neither. It's my opinion. One that is shared by most people.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:59
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Pissflaps posted:When have you seen me describing myself as middle class? It's dog whistle but you play it admirably.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:59
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I wish I had a gimmick
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Jun 25, 2016 22:59
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because hes too nice and it wont shut them up because they re constitutionally incapable of it
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Jun 25, 2016 22:59
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Tesseraction posted:It's dog whistle but you play it admirably. Or, in other words, you haven't. Which is true, because I never have.
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Jun 25, 2016 23:00
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Joda posted:I just read up on what a shadow cabinet was. So if these fuckers keep trying to coup Corbyn, and he's the leader of the shadow cabinet, why doesn't he just shuffle and get rid of them? It sounds like they're acting like petulant children. Because there's about 25 to 30 Labour MPs who actually support Corbyn enough where if he started to try run roughshod over the PLP they'd still work with him. Labour MPs are mostly currently considerably to the right of the membership.
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Jun 25, 2016 23:00
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Joda posted:It sounds like they're acting like petulant children. A petulant child, you say?
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Jun 25, 2016 23:01
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Hoops posted:Ashcroft poll says Labour voters were 63/37 Remain. I'm really sorry, but that's not impressive at all. According to Ashcroft SNP were 64/36 - so I guess Sturgeon is going too. That's a shame.
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Jun 25, 2016 23:01
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Spangly A posted:Flaps has the same disease everyone describing themselves as middle class does, which Americans call Temporarily embarassed millionaire effect. He believes that despite Jeremy Corbyn being in everyone's best interest, he would be better off simply becoming mega-rich. Is the effect you are talking about the one where poor and middle class Americans are against policies like..er..estate taxes because even if they know the system is rigged they actually think they are going to have a huge estate in the future, and don't want to pay potential alternate reality taxes for it?
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Jun 25, 2016 23:01
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JT Jag posted:So... the latter? pissflaps was one of the modern-day teenage reddit edgelords back in the USENET days but now he's in his late thirties he's trying to find ways to be awful that he can plausibly deny to his boss if caught doing so at work see how he stopped calling people 'faggots' and 'urbans' in recent years
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Jun 25, 2016 23:01
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Joda posted:I just read up on what a shadow cabinet was. So if these fuckers keep trying to coup Corbyn, and he's the leader of the shadow cabinet, why doesn't he just shuffle and get rid of them? It sounds like they're acting like petulant children. because parachuting in actual working class policy intellectuals would cause chaos and make the party explode in teeming hatred of the proletariat. A party of failed tories.
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Jun 25, 2016 23:01
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I feel like if Corbyn actually survives this coup attempt he'd be justified in purging the shadow cabinet of infidels, is my read incorrect
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Jun 25, 2016 23:02
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Pissflaps posted:Or, in other words, you haven't. You have never said it, you've claimed to be working class despite having a white collar job.
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Jun 25, 2016 23:02
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