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Frogisis
Apr 15, 2003

relax brother relax
Here's where I plug those productivity apps you can set to block you from certain sites and that you can't easily switch off. Sometimes taking it outta your own hands is the rational thing to do.

Curvature of Earth posted:

Scott Adams has strong opinions about sweaters.


With that attitude, I have a hard time believing he gets any presents.

I figured v-neck sweaters would be right up the alley of someone most famous for creating a character with a priapic necktie.

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Polybius91
Jun 4, 2012

Cobrastan is not a real country.

Count Chocula posted:

Ironically, I just read a massive article supporting Brexit from a left-wing perspective: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/11/exit-left-the-socialist-case-for-britain-leaving-the-eu

The main argument is that the EU is a neoliberal project.
I'd hesitate to trust Counterpunch, since they engage in Pol Pot apologism and deny the Bosnian genocide.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Counterpunch both provides legitimate counter-norm journalism and the tinfoiliest of conspiracy theories.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Did you know the guy who founded Counterpunch is Olivia Wilde's uncle?

This has nothing to do with anything, but I have not had anything to do with that trivia until now.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005



The site won't load for me. Does he at any point explain WHY v-neck sweaters are basically the same as wearing a leash, or is it just "Ladies like it, so it's bad"?

IDK maybe my ovaries are messing with my perception but I can't really see what distinguishes them from any other sweater.

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 24, 2008

Puppy Time posted:

The site won't load for me. Does he at any point explain WHY v-neck sweaters are basically the same as wearing a leash, or is it just "Ladies like it, so it's bad"?

IDK maybe my ovaries are messing with my perception but I can't really see what distinguishes them from any other sweater.

I can't get it to load either, but I'mma assume it's just standard "Beep boop, I am rational therefore my preferences are objective fact".

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

I can't get it to load either, but I'mma assume it's just standard "Beep boop, I am rational therefore my preferences are objective fact".

It's still available on archive.is.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
No, not preferences. I saw this earlier.

His idea was that vneck sweaters are a thing women get men as gifts, therefor, if you wear one, you're letting a womz pick out clothes for you.

It's classical magical thinking, attaching undue significance to a random bullshit patterns you have observed and declaring them to be super important predictors of reality. Like racism or sexism, only you know, shirts.

If my engineer brain starts doing this poo poo as I age, will one of you please do me a favor and murder me?

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!

ikanreed posted:

His idea was that vneck sweaters are a thing women get men as gifts, therefor, if you wear one, you're letting a womz pick out clothes for you.

Why wouldn't you trust the opinion of someone attracted to you on what makes you attractive looking?

No, this isn't right, something's wrong here.

Scott loving Adams posted:

STOP TELLING ME IN YOUR MIND THAT WOMEN HAVE IT WORSE IN THIS COUNTRY THAN MEN!

It's too perfect. I'm invoking Poe's Law, he could just be trolling... but if he's trolling, he's in it for the long game.

Count Chocula
Dec 25, 2011

WE HAVE TO CONTROL OUR ENVIRONMENT
IF YOU SEE ME POSTING OUTSIDE OF THE AUSPOL THREAD PLEASE TELL ME THAT I'M MISSED AND TO START POSTING AGAIN
It's like the Dave Sim meltdown, if Dave Sim never had any talent or critical respect and was made obsolete by the movie Office Space.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Whatever happened to Dave Sim? I googled him once and found a very old site about Cerebus called Cerebus Fan Woman all about how his writing was very woman-friendly and an alternative to superhero comics. It just ended with no explanation after covering the first four books and looked abandoned and made me sad.

Evrart Claire
Jan 11, 2008
That v-neck sweater looks pretty comfy actually.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Count Chocula posted:

It's like the Dave Sim meltdown, if Dave Sim never had any talent or critical respect and was made obsolete by the movie Office Space.

Nah, the artistic problem with Dilbert is that Adams hasn't actually worked in an office for a coupla decades. Which is great for him, but not for the art. So it's no longer viciously pointed satire of the working environment, just completely generic newspaper strip humour. (Seriously, look over the genericity of the jokes from the last coupla weeks.)

The good ones are still good; we used this one in communications with a new vendor who were being particularly incompetent after wowing us with their smart guys. But I don't think there's been a Dilbert in the last ten or so years that you will see stuck up on the wall above someone's desk in the wild.

The bizarro politics and confusing himself with someone who has something to say don't help at all, of course.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull
Reminder that Scott Adams was caught using sock puppets on internet discussion threads (Reddit and other places) to proclaim himself a certified genius so why aren't you taking his crazy/bigoted/misogynistic ideas more seriously

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jack Gladney posted:

Whatever happened to Dave Sim? I googled him once and found a very old site about Cerebus called Cerebus Fan Woman all about how his writing was very woman-friendly and an alternative to superhero comics. It just ended with no explanation after covering the first four books and looked abandoned and made me sad.

Schizophrenia is a hell of a thing.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

BobHoward posted:

Reminder that Scott Adams was caught using sock puppets on internet discussion threads (Reddit and other places) to proclaim himself a certified genius so why aren't you taking his crazy/bigoted/misogynistic ideas more seriously

And this is the real problem with sockpuppetry. As soon as it is revealed that a nonzero number of people who like your work are actually just you posting about yourself, everyone who posts positively about you might be a sufficiently developed sockpuppet account. And that poo poo can never go away. At this point, I'm not sure that anyone actually likes Dilbert.

Surely Adams is a logical and rational enough person to realise that?

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Jack Gladney posted:

Whatever happened to Dave Sim? I googled him once and found a very old site about Cerebus called Cerebus Fan Woman all about how his writing was very woman-friendly and an alternative to superhero comics. It just ended with no explanation after covering the first four books and looked abandoned and made me sad.

http://comicsalliance.com/dave-sim-cerebus-in-hell/

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 24, 2008

ikanreed posted:

No, not preferences. I saw this earlier.

His idea was that vneck sweaters are a thing women get men as gifts, therefor, if you wear one, you're letting a womz pick out clothes for you.

It's classical magical thinking, attaching undue significance to a random bullshit patterns you have observed and declaring them to be super important predictors of reality. Like racism or sexism, only you know, shirts.

If my engineer brain starts doing this poo poo as I age, will one of you please do me a favor and murder me?

That's still just him presenting his preferences as objective. "I wouldn't buy myself a v-neck, therefore any man who gets one is just getting it as a gift from a woman and doesn't really want to wear it." It's dumb as gently caress. I buy myself v-necks because they're comfy and I think they look good on me but because he doesn't like them to him that's just proof I'm brainwashed by the feminazis or whatever.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

That's what he's doing now, but really Cerebus is basically watching a man have a complete loving breakdown and spiral into insanity culminating in an arc about how women are a void that sucks all the joy and light out of the world

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
https://www.reddit.com/r/badpolitics/comments/4n8bko/the_silicon_ideology_fundamentally_fails_to/ Someone who is almost certainly Scott Alexander goes on Reddit to yell about that anti-NRx paper written a while back and pimp Scott's incredibly lovely pseudo-takedown of neoraction

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

That's still just him presenting his preferences as objective. "I wouldn't buy myself a v-neck, therefore any man who gets one is just getting it as a gift from a woman and doesn't really want to wear it." It's dumb as gently caress. I buy myself v-necks because they're comfy and I think they look good on me but because he doesn't like them to him that's just proof I'm brainwashed by the feminazis or whatever.
The real crazy to me is that he just publicly admitted to throwing away three gifts. If I were a girlfriend/mom/sister/colleague/neighbor/whatever who had given him a v-neck sweater this year, I'd be kind of pissed to hear he'd had that little respect for my present.

I know that may seem minor, but come on, how loving rude do you have to be to not only throw presents in the trash, but to publicly brag about it?

ETA: I think my boyfriend owns V-neck sweaters. If so, he bought them for himself. He's kind of into clothes. I'm reminded of this bit from The Wire:

quote:

Bunk: It's a Joseph Abboud. He puts dark buttons instead of brass on his blazers. That's the Abboud signature.
McNulty: You know what they call a guy who pays that much attention to his clothes, don't you?
Bunk: A grown-up.

pookel has a new favorite as of 04:53 on Jun 27, 2016

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

pookel posted:

The real crazy to me is that he just publicly admitted to throwing away three gifts. If I were a girlfriend/mom/sister/colleague/neighbor/whatever who had given him a v-neck sweater this year, I'd be kind of pissed to hear he'd had that little respect for my present.

I know that may seem minor, but come on, how loving rude do you have to be to not only throw presents in the trash, but to publicly brag about it?

ETA: I think my boyfriend owns V-neck sweaters. If so, he bought them for himself. He's kind of into clothes. I'm reminded of this bit from The Wire:

I'm guessing that Scott Adams probably already has really tenuous relationships with any women in his family and that they don't give him poo poo. Except they hopefully give him lots of poo poo for his opinions.

Twerkteam Pizza
Sep 26, 2015

Grimey Drawer

Race Realists posted:

are we allowed to post from That Place because

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2k2o0s/why_do_so_many_prominent_sa_goons_adhere_to_the/



theres simply not enough irony in this post

The world filter is the best thing ever

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

I think the cathedral does a brilliant thing it allows democracy to be the cover while distributing the decisions of the elites to the minds of masses.It should be preserved if youre a reactionary and simply put to better use.These ideas of AI , kings ,camerals all this futuristic crap thats never going to happen while we slip into Johannesburg circa 89.Its so much easier to take over a government than start from scratch. DENRx claims modernism doesnt work because HBD then suggests trying things never before used on humans its crazy nerd faggotry men simply need to organize a mosaad and start thinking 4g warfare and whatever means might work The cathedral can be got by smart white men using their heads its run by friend of the familys and chicks for christsake

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900
I know everyone here already knows about the conspiracy theory that SA birthed SJWs, but this is the first comprehensive writeup of the whole theory I've seen, originally an 8chan post but quoted here by a Redditor:

SA sounds much more impressive this way posted:

Saw this on 8chan (I think) a while ago and saved it copying here:
LF.

More specifically Lowtax and FYAD hated LF because it was more popular than FYAD. FYAD has this weird thing where they talk about how much they don't care about the internet but their whole lives revolve around FYAD; FYAD is Lowtax's favorite forum.

LF was pretty self-contained that started as an ironic Ron Paul forum and eventually became leftist. There were actually lots of posters who were both smart and able to be funny and post about social causes without being thought policing SJW faggots; you know reasonable people. The problem is that you had posters who came in from offsite and these were people who were depressed and angry at where they were in life and a great many of them had miscellaneous mental issues. They used leftism and social justice as excuses to scream, shout and harass at the world they thought was responsible for their situations; the prime example of that was a poster named maggotmaster who once threatened to assassinate the Obama which got Lowtax in trouble with the Secret Service. Goons like to say that's what caused LF to be closed but that's not it at all; in reality it was closed for making fun of Groverhaus, a house belong to a mod named Grover where he built dangerous, incompetent additions to it. They were posting publicly available pictures but mod sass (as making fun of mods is called there) is against the rules so they said LF was stalking Grover and closed the forum thinking they'd finally gotten rid of the LF problem.

The thing is, LF was the second most popular forum on SA after Games. When they closed it, a lot of people migrated either to offsite spinoffs or places like Tumblr and Twitter. This includes the mentally ill Sadbrained Leftists. These people started engaging in echo chambers on the offsite forums which were always destroyed by drama and in-fighting (mentally ill echo chambers aren't stable, who knew) and on social media they were free to spread their message to impressionable middle school/high school/college students. As tumblr became an SJW hell hole, the LP forum on SA started getting popular because of the Dangan Ronpa LPs/live translations which were HUGE on tumblr. Many tumblrites registered just to read and post in those threads and LP bringing with them their SJW ideologies.

In general as the site grew older, especially after Helldump closed, things started being phased out. Ironic racism/homophobia and poo poo was already kind of not cool. SJWs that came from Tumblr exacerbated it. For the last two or three years SA has been a constant fight between SJW posters, FYADs/something sensitive posters and posters who hate both and just want to post funny poo poo without fear of being banned or doxxed for pissing off one side or the other. The problem is, like on other sites where they're numerous, the SJWs while the minority are the loudest and have no lives leaving them free to post everywhere and seem more numerous than they are.

The other turning point was the Redditbomb. If you don't remember, this was a few years back when a goon organized a massive effort to expose all the jailbait subreddits on Reddit. This resulted in all of them being deleted and the eventual removal of mod/user violentacrez. Whatever you think about it (I was actually anti-jailbait and poo poo but never posted in the threads or spread the Redditbomb around but whatever) this was a negative thing as it led to the creation of SRS (of which infamous twitter user a_girl_irl is/was one of the head mods of) which has also helped to spread SJW values across the greater internet.

Small aside, I used to post on a couple of the spinoffs because I was a big time LF reader. I watched at least three get destroyed by one specific user who would constantly talk about how hard she had it as a mixed race girl in New York and a woman in the television industry. She would constantly take offense at everything and start massive drama bombs over otherwise innocuous comments which would spiral out of control and result in the admins getting fed up and closing the forum and people having to migrate to a new one. Eventually people got tired of this and she was banned. It later came out that she is literally an heiress to a fortune worth billions but the person who revealed this wouldn't say anything more than that (i.e. who she really was, etc.).

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
It's worth noting that the violentacrez thing had nothing to do with goons and everything to do with Adrian Chen outing him and doing an article about him

Shortly after he did an investigative journalism about the goatman

Twerkteam Pizza
Sep 26, 2015

Grimey Drawer

Curvature of Earth posted:

I know everyone here already knows about the conspiracy theory that SA birthed SJWs, but this is the first comprehensive writeup of the whole theory I've seen, originally an 8chan post but quoted here by a Redditor:

A: wow, this dude really likes throwing around mental disorders as insults

B: didn't it start off as making FUN of Ron Paul? That's what I've gathered.

C: I thought Lowtax liked GBS the most?

D: why do ppl browse 8chan? It is just /B/ but worse

Caveatimperator
Oct 30, 2012

The Vosgian Beast posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/badpolitics/comments/4n8bko/the_silicon_ideology_fundamentally_fails_to/ Someone who is almost certainly Scott Alexander goes on Reddit to yell about that anti-NRx paper written a while back and pimp Scott's incredibly lovely pseudo-takedown of neoraction

At least someone down the thread is calling Scott's ideas racist. I personally think he's not so much racist as he is a massive hypocrite with bizarre ideas about how to argue or change society (there's that meta-level ideas nonsense again), but it's a good thing we have some critical voices there.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Literally The Worst posted:

It's worth noting that the violentacrez thing had nothing to do with goons and everything to do with Adrian Chen outing him and doing an article about him

Shortly after he did an investigative journalism about the goatman

It happened at about the same time as we were telling the world about Reddit's love of child pornography and Redditors generally aren't bright enough to understand that two people not liking them is not evidence of collusion.

Zemyla
Aug 6, 2008

I'll take her off your hands. Pleasure doing business with you!
One of the things that "historian" above forgets to mention is that a lot of right-wingers got banned after the "Toxx yourself for McCain" and "Toxx yourself for Romney" threads.

And I believe that a lot of the people mocking libertarianism in LF, writing Bioshock fanfic, etc. were the same people mocking Malatora in (I want to say) 2007. And the primary difference between the two groups is that one was a group of people in a fantasy world who believed that if they had the right technology and went off to a faraway island, they could become gods; and the other wanted cyberpenises.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Pope Guilty posted:

It happened at about the same time as we were telling the world about Reddit's love of child pornography and Redditors generally aren't bright enough to understand that two people not liking them is not evidence of collusion.

It was long enough after our thing that I could see it being a reaction to the redditbomb, because that whole thing kinda revealed how hosed the whole power structure was

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Lottery of Babylon posted:

I think the cathedral does a brilliant thing it allows democracy to be the cover while distributing the decisions of the elites to the minds of masses.It should be preserved if youre a reactionary and simply put to better use.These ideas of AI , kings ,camerals all this futuristic crap thats never going to happen while we slip into Johannesburg circa 89.Its so much easier to take over a government than start from scratch. DENRx claims modernism doesnt work because HBD then suggests trying things never before used on humans its crazy nerd faggotry men simply need to organize a mosaad and start thinking 4g warfare and whatever means might work The cathedral can be got by smart white men using their heads its run by friend of the familys and chicks for christsake

Oh man this guy is so close it's kinda painful.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Curvature of Earth posted:

I know everyone here already knows about the conspiracy theory that SA birthed SJWs, but this is the first comprehensive writeup of the whole theory I've seen, originally an 8chan post but quoted here by a Redditor:

Literally The Worst posted:

It's worth noting that the violentacrez thing had nothing to do with goons and everything to do with Adrian Chen outing him and doing an article about him

Not to mention the Redditbomb did not lead to the creation of SRS, it was in fact predated by SRS by at least a year. It certainly raised our notoriety though.

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

B: didn't it start off as making FUN of Ron Paul? That's what I've gathered.

D: why do ppl browse 8chan? It is just /B/ but worse

B: yeah, it was made so people didn't have to argue with Lolbertarians in good faith (since otherwise they flooded D&D with stupid poo poo)

D: these people love their child porn free speech

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Tesseraction posted:

Not to mention the Redditbomb did not lead to the creation of SRS, it was in fact predated by SRS by at least a year. It certainly raised our notoriety though.

well there was proto-srs, which we took over around the time of the anderson cooper thing, then it was like another six months or a year until the redditbomb iirc

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

I had someone excuse their 8chan posting as "sure they're literal Nazis but they're some of the most creative people I've ever seen!"

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Literally The Worst posted:

well there was proto-srs, which we took over around the time of the anderson cooper thing, then it was like another six months or a year until the redditbomb iirc

Anderson Cooper's segment was September 2011 and that's when I created the IRC channel to deal with the jump in popularity we got, but the community was already up and running back then, and started in the February or so of that year when *cough* first started to build the inner circle.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Tesseraction posted:

Anderson Cooper's segment was September 2011 and that's when I created the IRC channel to deal with the jump in popularity we got, but the community was already up and running back then, and started in the February or so of that year when *cough* first started to build the inner circle.

That sounds about right, because it would have been that summer that the Reddit thread got posted here and we found the original SRS, with such hits as "Reddit or Stormfront?"

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Yeah - I think you might be thinking specifically of the descent of the Archangelles which happened around the time of the Redditbomb. About a month or two beforehand.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Tesseraction posted:

Yeah - I think you might be thinking specifically of the descent of the Archangelles which happened around the time of the Redditbomb. About a month or two beforehand.

Probably? I was never super active in SRS because of some uh conflicts between the inner circle and myself, I mostly stuck to the forums side of things

And by the forums side of things I mean defacing the Free Internet Act with sluggo is mad and ts12 (rip)

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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Oh man that Free Internet Act was beautiful. Does a copy still exist of the finished product?

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