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Old James posted:Wow, a tax break for donating to a private school? That sounds vile. Anyone have more detail, I'm sure it is written so that the CEO can write a scholarship to fund his son's private school education and get a tax break for it while helping to defund public schools in the process. At a guess, it's this - it looks like it's a scholarship fund for poor students to attend private schools. Now the weird bit is, I spent a bit of time trying to figure out which schools qualify, and the only thing I can find is: "A 'qualified school' is any nonpublic school that provides education to elementary and secondary students, has notified the state board of its intention to participate in the program and complies with the requirements of the program." The actual text of the bill is here (sections 55 - 61) - and I can't find any sorts of requirements for schools in there. Lots of requirements for the scholarship granting organizations. Some requirements for students. But the only thing it says about "qualified schools" is the line of text I quoted. It's kinda weird. There's also a list of schools available on the Kansas State Department of Education's website. Looks like it's mostly religious private schools.
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Old James posted:Wow, a tax break for donating to a private school? That sounds vile. Anyone have more detail, I'm sure it is written so that the CEO can write a scholarship to fund his son's private school education and get a tax break for it while helping to defund public schools in the process. Bolded for emphasis. This is the whole Brownback plan from the get go. Don't let the kids go to those liberal public schools, they need a good conservative educating to make sure Republicans stay in power.
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Jun 21, 2016 21:55
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Exactly. The state isn't failing, it's all according to plan.
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Jun 21, 2016 22:42
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effectual posted:Exactly. The state isn't failing, it's all according to plan. Well, no, it is failing, because there isn't a Coservative Government in the Federal portion to keep them in position, and with their threats to defund the Judicial Branch and continue breaking their education system, they depend on having a Conservative Federal government to help keep them on course. And it doesn't look good for a Conservative Federal government in the future either.
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Jun 21, 2016 22:44
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effectual posted:Exactly. The state isn't failing, it's all according to plan. I used to think I was crazy for feeling this way, but as time goes on it just seems more and more likely that this is the case. If things go wrong blame the liberals, blame the media, blame ISIS, blame Ebola, blame everything but their policies. They will always have the FREEP crowd to vote Conservative no matter what. It's an us vs. them mentality and it scares the gently caress out of me.
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Jun 22, 2016 02:31
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Jun 25, 2016 02:59
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If there is another major tax short fall for June like what was seen in May (so say ~$75 million) will this all just repeat again at the end of July or what? If so it sounds like both the KS R's and D's are scraping the bottom of the barrel of things they can cut to patch holes in the budget and things will come to a head by the end of the year almost no matter what if they don't increase tax revenues by reversing current policies. What exactly are the KS D's angle here then? Am I just underestimating how stupid they are by assuming they even have a gameplan to deal with that situation that doesn't involve more tax cuts or what?
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Jun 25, 2016 06:18
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:If there is another major tax short fall for June like what was seen in May (so say ~$75 million) will this all just repeat again at the end of July or what? It's all gravy, they'll just borrow $900,000,000.00 
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Jun 25, 2016 06:20
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So they get a year (edit: as near as I can tell the Kansas PMIP fiscal year ends June 30) to hope and pray something comes along to throw billions at Kansas's economy to make everything right and then they have to pay back the loan and are then double extra super screwed is what I'm getting from that article.quote:The money is borrowed from the Pooled Money Investment Board, a state board that manages the state’s investments, and is then deposited into the state’s general fund. The money must be paid back by the end of the fiscal year by statute. That even the idiot who thinks they should be cutting taxes more realizes this is a dumb idea is a nice piece of schadenfreude I guess. PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Jun 25, 2016 |
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Jun 25, 2016 07:00
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I, too, deliberately move to lower my own income so that I can't pay off my credit card bill after going grocery shopping.
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Jun 25, 2016 07:15
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Senate President Susan Wagle, R-Wichita, who has never been hungry and prayed for money to eat with posted:“This isn’t the way I manage my finances. This isn’t the way I manage the finances of my business. … This is like me putting groceries on a charge card and praying that the money comes in,” Wagle said.
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Jun 25, 2016 08:26
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Ah, so she's one of those types. Credit is bad, borrowing is bad, pay everything in cash and if you can't well you don't need it. To the point where buying groceries with a credit card is just bad fiscal policy. She's not asking for taxes to be cut, she's asking for spending to be cut. If you can't pay for a road up front with tax money then you just don' need it. If you can't cover the cost of the school year on the first day of class then you just can't afford it. It's a really loving dumb way of running a government, but at least it's way more reasonable than cut all the taxes and watch the money poor in.
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Jun 25, 2016 15:52
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Government spending doesn't work like a household budget or a business because unlike those examples the government can print and control its own currency. It's ridiculous how so many people do not understand bare basic economics.
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Jun 25, 2016 17:29
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They also have a completely different mandate. People who want to run government "like a business" seem to forget that businesses go bankrupt daily and simply disappear. How would society function if the police simply stopped existing because pension payments bankrupted the department?
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Jun 25, 2016 17:36
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punk rebel ecks posted:Government spending doesn't work like a household budget or a business because unlike those examples the government can print and control its own currency. It's ridiculous how so many people do not understand bare basic economics. States can't, but then again even states have billion and billions of dollars in assets which means that their budgets don't function the same way as household or regular business budgets. Also they're immortal entities whose imperative is to help the people who reside under their power succeed.
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Jun 25, 2016 17:41
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Kansas should just apply for a bunch of credit cards. Think of all the points they could get!
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Jun 25, 2016 17:54
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No Butt Stuff posted:There's a better chance that Kansas just descends into even poorer funding and continues the cycle as people move away. I've been grappling with this for a while now, because aside from the politics, I genuinely love it here
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Jun 25, 2016 18:00
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Christmas Present posted:I've been grappling with this for a while now, because aside from the politics, I genuinely love it here That's a real common problem in the American economic and political system overall. Like...I live in Pennsylvania. I adore the terrain and climate here. It's wonderful. Trees and hills and water and clay and life. We get four distinct seasons and most of the year isn't hot. The wilderness is fantastic and we have loads of forest land that you can't mess with unless you want to commit political suicide. Pretty much everything else about the state is awful. We had similar problems to Kansas in that our poo poo bag Republican governor was all gung ho about fiscal responsibility, cutting spending, balancingbudgets, attracting businesses, blah blah blah. He simultaneously wanted to cut the entire state's education budget in half (all of it...not just college literally all of it), build a bunch of new prisons (think of the jobs they'll create which might be in your town if it's conservative and white enough), and give all sorts of favors to fossil fuel companies because jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs. If we cut their taxes they'll invest in drilling and revenue will go up! Except that everybody hates them because they pillage and burn whatever they touch, don't hire locals, and gently caress up the water. Then they leave. Thankfully we voted that clown out of office but now we have a state legislature treating our D governor like Congress treats Obama complete with a deliberate Cruz style budget impasse! All told it's partly hopeful in that these chucklefucks are losing support but terrifying in how much influence they manage to keep by screwing up the system. How do you vote people who aren't Republican into office in the face of gerrymandering? What do you do when the Republican prick trying to burn everything down loses but it does no good because his cronies just sabotage the system anyway? Then they blame the other side for not compromising. Meanwhile the state's recovery is dismal, people are suffering needlessly, and everything gets worse every year. But I'm sure it isn't conservative policy being incredibly loving delusional. It's incredible that they just double down on the crazy and try to pass the blame. Every time they try these things the result is a garbage fire.
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Jun 25, 2016 18:19
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ToxicSlurpee posted:That's a real common problem in the American economic and political system overall. Like...I live in Pennsylvania. I adore the terrain and climate here. It's wonderful. Trees and hills and water and clay and life. We get four distinct seasons and most of the year isn't hot. The wilderness is fantastic and we have loads of forest land that you can't mess with unless you want to commit political suicide. I'm not saying we should carpet bomb everything between philly and pittsburgh but maybe it should be on the table?
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Gyges posted:States can't, but then again even states have billion and billions of dollars in assets which means that their budgets don't function the same way as household or regular business budgets. Also they're immortal entities whose imperative is to help the people who reside under their power succeed. True, but states are merely an arm of the larger federal government.
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Jun 25, 2016 19:06
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Feinne posted:I'm not saying we should carpet bomb everything between philly and pittsburgh but maybe it should be on the table? You wouldn't really be able to tell a difference after the bombing happened.
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Jun 25, 2016 19:08
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Feinne posted:I'm not saying we should carpet bomb everything between philly and pittsburgh but maybe it should be on the table? Philly PD tried that once; it ended... poorly.
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Jun 25, 2016 19:16
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2016/jun/24/former-kansas-governors-unite-against-brownback-su/ Our last 4 governers (2 Republican, 2 Democrat) have formed a joint political action committee because they feel Brownback's tax policies are destroying everything they built.
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fishmech posted:You wouldn't really be able to tell a difference after the bombing happened. Sure you would, there wouldn't be any orange barrels on the roads after the bombing.
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fishmech posted:You wouldn't really be able to tell a difference after the bombing happened. Well it'd be a faster way to go than their current 'slowly die of despair as their home and way of life is choked to oblivion by the inexorable march of history' at least.
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My wife is a Johnson County native and I am transplant (originally from Boston) and it is basically impossible to convince her that Kansas is going down the drain since everything still seems pretty reasonable in our little bubble. We are basically the stereotype of a lovely JoCo family (our kids are likely destined for private school and the wife has a high paying job), so she is content to stay put and play the part of Nero while the state burns around us 
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:My wife is a Johnson County native and I am transplant (originally from Boston) and it is basically impossible to convince her that Kansas is going down the drain since everything still seems pretty reasonable in our little bubble. We are basically the stereotype of a lovely JoCo family (our kids are likely destined for private school and the wife has a high paying job), so she is content to stay put and play the part of Nero while the state burns around us At least you have front row seats?
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Jun 25, 2016 21:28
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:If there is another major tax short fall for June like what was seen in May (so say ~$75 million) will this all just repeat again at the end of July or what? When the paychecks to the (R) legislators start bouncing, then they'll start negotiating in good faith.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:My wife is a Johnson County native and I am transplant (originally from Boston) and it is basically impossible to convince her that Kansas is going down the drain since everything still seems pretty reasonable in our little bubble. We are basically the stereotype of a lovely JoCo family (our kids are likely destined for private school and the wife has a high paying job), so she is content to stay put and play the part of Nero while the state burns around us 
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:My wife is a Johnson County native and I am transplant (originally from Boston) and it is basically impossible to convince her that Kansas is going down the drain since everything still seems pretty reasonable in our little bubble. We are basically the stereotype of a lovely JoCo family (our kids are likely destined for private school and the wife has a high paying job), so she is content to stay put and play the part of Nero while the state burns around us That what I was saying earlier, until these budget failures start effecting JoCo nothing will really change. I just drove past Jerry Morans district office and it took every ounce of strength that I had not to stop there and poo poo in the front lawn. I love living in Kansas, I just hate everything about living here.
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SalTheBard posted:That what I was saying earlier, until these budget failures start effecting JoCo nothing will really change. I just drove past Jerry Morans district office and it took every ounce of strength that I had not to stop there and poo poo in the front lawn. I love living in Kansas, I just hate everything about living here. This is absolutely true. It is so frustrating that there can be a huge grass roots movement to stop a goddamn Starbucks in Prairie Village from getting a drive through window, but anything having to do with the budget crisis is just hand waved away.
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Jun 26, 2016 20:10
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DeathSandwich posted:I feel like the ultimate endpoint of this is more Mad Max than Corporate Feudalism. Pretty good, but if you've ever driven across Kansas outside of the pipeline between KC and OKC, it's more like the Road Warrior.
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Jun 26, 2016 20:51
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In case anyone is still keeping track, Friday they passed a bill to fix the standoff funding schools a little more. Johnson county didn't get their "hold harmless" clause in so they lose $12m in funding. This of course is jut the precursor to the court case next year that will judge if schools are actually adequately funded. That could be worth upwards of $500m a year in additional school funding, which pretty much ends the failed experiment or bankrupts the state outright.
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fishmech posted:You wouldn't really be able to tell a difference after the bombing happened. I agree with Fishmech. With not a hint of irony.  Seriously, gently caress Central PA.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:This is absolutely true. It is so frustrating that there can be a huge grass roots movement to stop a goddamn Starbucks in Prairie Village from getting a drive through window, but anything having to do with the budget crisis is just hand waved away.
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Jun 28, 2016 02:58
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Gail Wynand posted:Please tell me that the opposition was because a drive-through would attract Those People. Close http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/controversy-brews-over-prairie-village-starbucks quote:PRAIRIE VILLAGE, Kan. - There's a growing controversy brewing in Prairie Village over a new Starbucks after the coffee shop announced its plan to move to a different location.
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Jun 28, 2016 03:20
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"I like to get my coffee from my quaint little franchise of a giant multinational corporation. The suggestion that I'd have to get it from a slightly larger franchise is loving madness, how DARE you suggest such a thing!"
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Jun 28, 2016 03:37
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I've got to be honest. I can't process that complaint or boycott effort at all. Please, someone explain to me how anyone could possibly even care, let alone believe that their home value could possibly be affected by a Starbucks with a slightly different layout.
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I understand not wanting a drive through in a nice neighborhood. Cars are the bane of urban planning and strip malls follow in their wake, like the sea of mud churned up by a plague of cows falling from the sky.
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