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Please stay 195 31.20%
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Maoist Pussy
Feb 12, 2014

by Lowtax

Hammerite posted:

Let's have a ten page derail discussing who can claim the title of real leftism and who's a bigot in leftist clothing. I love that poo poo

No need. It is all of them.

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emoji
Jun 4, 2004

Neurolimal posted:

Now explain why France or Germany would ever want this.


I never said racism will improve conditions. Only that it is currently stalling worse conditions. I am sorry that you're too offended to consider that.

I'm not personally offended, although you must admit 'I mean i genuinely want anti-immigrant sentiment to keep going in the US' is pretty hardcore. I just preemptively dismissed your reasoning because your insane posts make up 20% of YCS.

Maoist Pussy
Feb 12, 2014

by Lowtax
Kill All White Men - but only the rural ones, do NOT kill the finance sector guys.

Kehveli
Apr 1, 2009

Push It Like You Push Your Girlfriend

The Dregs posted:

Does Europe even have the power to have a real war these days?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_European_Union#National_militaries

you tell me

cock hero flux
Apr 17, 2011



Maoist Pussy posted:

Kill All White Men - but only the rural ones, do NOT kill the finance sector guys.

it's hilarious how all the internet socialists really, really hate working class poors

Sancho
Jul 18, 2003

of course they are smart it/finance people they can use youtube if they have to do anything blue-collarish

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Mikojan posted:

Please name me a country that does not have a complete clusterfuck for a political scene right now.

You can't

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant is a unified nation with a clear purpose. :colbert:

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
Caliphantastic

kikkelivelho
Aug 27, 2015

Pycckuu posted:

Actually, they are not arbitrary lines on the map but in fact have rich histories and diverse cultures. You are seeing a rise in nationalism across Europe because these cultures being valued to be less than the permanent victims of crusades/colonialism/racism, who are of course infallible. People you see ITT arguing in favor of nationalism are the product of these policies and that's very very bad.

The end of individual nations is certainly not the end of individual cultures. If anything, a more integrated EU would be good for all the wonderful traditions of Europe as people would be free to move and experience them. We are already quite multicultural in western europe and it has been a massive boon both in terms of economically and socially.

OctaviusBeaver posted:

I find it unsettling that Europeans are now using the US as an example to follow. Based on what Europeans used to say on the internet you would think we live in a cross between Somalia and the train from Snowpiercer.

I think those statements have mostly come from a place of ignorance or jealousy. If you look at the numbers the US is doing a far better job at recovering. A similar united states model would do wonders for the European economy.

Anyway, while I don't agree with the result of the referendum it does make me happy to see democracy at work. The people have spoken, now lets hope the politicians respect their will.

Concordat
Mar 4, 2007

Secondary Objective: Commit Fraud - Complete

Mikojan posted:

Please name me a country that does not have a complete clusterfuck for a political scene right now.

You can't

How's Switzerland doing these days?

Decebal
Jan 6, 2010

kikkelivelho posted:

The end of individual nations is certainly not the end of individual cultures. If anything, a more integrated EU would be good for all the wonderful traditions of Europe as people would be free to move and experience them. We are already quite multicultural in western europe and it has been a massive boon both in terms of economically and socially.






aaaa what about this then ??

"Attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany have "utterly failed", Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

She said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work, and immigrants needed to do more to integrate - including learning German."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11559451

Or is she only right when she's pretending it will work by welcoming everyone ?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

The Dregs posted:

Does Europe even have the power to have a real war these days?

Nope for starts they aren't even spending the GDP requirement for military spending per NATO treaty.

A few countries like Poland are doing the NATO requirement but most European countries are happy to let the US military protect them.

So the evil US military ends up making it so they can afford more soccer stadiums.

Concordat
Mar 4, 2007

Secondary Objective: Commit Fraud - Complete

kikkelivelho posted:

Anyway, while I don't agree with the result of the referendum it does make me happy to see democracy at work. The people have spoken, now lets hope the politicians respect their will.

Direct democracy is no way to handle important decisions like this, let alone a simple majority of voters. There's a good possibility that Parliament won't actually implement the referendum.

Decebal posted:

aaaa what about this then ??

"Attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany have "utterly failed", Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

She said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work, and immigrants needed to do more to integrate - including learning German."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11559451

Or is she only right when she's pretending it will work by welcoming everyone ?

Angela Merkel is a center-right politician, probably pandering to her base in that statement. Also the reason why Germany was so keen on austerity. At least I would hope the EU would have reacted to the financial meltdown with their version of the New Deal instead of slashing budgets and pensions like they did.

Maoist Pussy
Feb 12, 2014

by Lowtax

Concordat posted:


Angela Merkel is a center-right politician

I guess that's why she decided to import hundreds of thousands of people from right-wing fundamentalist cultures.

tenspott
Aug 1, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

kikkelivelho posted:

Nothing "inherent" about it. If anything, the current state of the EU is unsustainable, and we can't back out now so the only way forward is to go forward. Not only would a theoretical USE rid us permanently of the disease known as nationalism, but it would also allow us to compete not only with the americans and russians, but also with the rising BRICS economies.Why be German or French when you could be an European?

You say the united states of europe would be doomed to failure, but I think the exact opposite is true: without the USE we will fall to irrelevance and oblivion. Now that the UK is out of the way, the road seems clear for further integration. The sooner the better I think.

Hahah you said BRICS. gaywad

Danger Mahoney
Mar 19, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Hey sadbrains, can someone explain France's 50% labor participation rate? Nothing to do with brits leaving the EU, just jumped out at me while looking at economic indicators.

Arkanomen
May 6, 2007

All he wants is a hug

kikkelivelho posted:

The end of individual nations is certainly not the end of individual cultures. If anything, a more integrated EU would be good for all the wonderful traditions of Europe as people would be free to move and experience them. We are already quite multicultural in western europe and it has been a massive boon both in terms of economically and socially.

Ah yes, the great European rape gang free for all Melting pot of cultures! This is the ignorant and suicidal mind set the EU has rammed down its constituents throat under threat of violence and censure. Europe is a multicultural area of WESTERN CULTURES where individual cultures are preserved by things like, oh I dunno, borders! Cultural diffusion occurs via travel across these borders and allows the regulated and controlled flow of goods, peoples, and culture. By tearing this down and letting whoever and whatever just flood in without care for the people within you are actively promoting political and cultural genocide. But I guess a retard like you is more than happy to see poo poo like Rotterdam or Cologne on New Years or any of the invading immigrant controlled zones in many European cities. That ugly western culture is now so enriched. You are everything wrong with this world and are the sole cause of the rise of right wing nationalism.

Dicky B
Mar 23, 2004

kikkelivelho posted:

The end of individual nations is certainly not the end of individual cultures. If anything, a more integrated EU would be good for all the wonderful traditions of Europe as people would be free to move and experience them.
what do you mean by a "more integrated"? I can already freely experience europe all i like. it's called tourism

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

tenspott posted:

Hahah you said BRICS. gaywad

BRICS aren't rising especially after the whole recent commodity reaches.

China is a house of cards, Russia will probably have a decade of recession due to the oil crash/wild foreign policy, Brazil is a huge mess and only India will probably have positive growth over the next few years.

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Arkanomen posted:

Ah yes, the great European rape gang free for all Melting pot of cultures! This is the ignorant and suicidal mind set the EU has rammed down its constituents throat under threat of violence and censure. Europe is a multicultural area of WESTERN CULTURES where individual cultures are preserved by things like, oh I dunno, borders! Cultural diffusion occurs via travel across these borders and allows the regulated and controlled flow of goods, peoples, and culture. By tearing this down and letting whoever and whatever just flood in without care for the people within you are actively promoting political and cultural genocide. But I guess a retard like you is more than happy to see poo poo like Rotterdam or Cologne on New Years or any of the invading immigrant controlled zones in many European cities. That ugly western culture is now so enriched. You are everything wrong with this world and are the sole cause of the rise of right wing nationalism.

But islamophobia :ohdear:

cnut
May 3, 2016

Viruswithshoes posted:

Take the money we would have sent to Brussels and now spend it on SeaPatrolland.

Arkanomen
May 6, 2007

All he wants is a hug

unpacked robinhood posted:

But islamophobia :ohdear:

People who trot out this bullshit line don't even deserve a response. Tell them to go cry about it on Tumblr and let the adults handle important things like border control, national security. They can go online and handle the really important poo poo like demiqueersexual representation in media.

Decebal
Jan 6, 2010
Just drive on a US freeway and see how rich and diverse it is by the restaurant offerings displayed on the side of the road. Hope you enjoy Taco Bell & McDonald's for 2000 miles :)

Tear down Europe's borders so they can have this type of Paradise too !!

kikkelivelho
Aug 27, 2015

Decebal posted:

aaaa what about this then ??

"Attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany have "utterly failed", Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

She said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work, and immigrants needed to do more to integrate - including learning German."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11559451

Or is she only right when she's pretending it will work by welcoming everyone ?

If you would have read your own article you would have noticed that that's not what she was talking about. Merkel clearly says "multikulti" has failed because not enough has been done to protect and integrate the new german citizens. They face constant threats from rightwing elements of the native populace and the government hasn't done enough to provide for them. There is a massive amount of immigrants who have become great citizens of Germany and you twisting Merkel's words isn't going to change that.

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
nigel farage seems like someone you'd see in V for Vendetta

like, some dude who just straight up lies to everyone, doesn't feel bad about it all, and just manipulates everyone to keep power

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Decebal posted:

Just drive on a US freeway and see how rich and diverse it is by the restaurant offerings displayed on the side of the road. Hope you enjoy Taco Bell & McDonald's for 2000 miles :)

Tear down Europe's borders so they can have this type of Paradise too !!

america is loving amazing

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
id fight you irl but you'd lose because you're some european pansy

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
oh,

this is the guy

this guy reminds me of nigel farage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flBpsyFbEOs

PathAsc
Nov 15, 2011

Hail SS-18 Satan may he cleanse us with nuclear fire

PISS TAPE IS REAL

Arkanomen posted:

People who trot out this bullshit line don't even deserve a response. Tell them to go cry about it on Tumblr and let the adults handle important things like border control, national security. They can go online and handle the really important poo poo like demiqueersexual representation in media.

Won't someone think of the gender-fluid piss-otherkin?

Arkanomen
May 6, 2007

All he wants is a hug

Eonwe posted:

nigel farage seems like someone you'd see in V for Vendetta

like, some dude who just straight up lies to everyone, doesn't feel bad about it all, and just manipulates everyone to keep power

Yes, what a terrible power hungry human. What an evil bastard for wanting him and his constituents under self governance instead of being commanded from a faceless overseas council that often forces policies at odds with the will of the local people. What a terrible person, literally worse than hitler.

tenspott
Aug 1, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

etalian posted:

BRICS aren't rising especially after the whole recent commodity reaches.

China is a house of cards, Russia will probably have a decade of recession due to the oil crash/wild foreign policy, Brazil is a huge mess and only India will probably have positive growth over the next few years.

India's aquifer is almost empty. They're pretty much toast. That, and their perverse love of red tape and weird social stratification has made them a tremendous failure on a global scale.

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Arkanomen posted:

Yes, what a terrible power hungry human. What an evil bastard for wanting him and his constituents under self governance instead of being commanded from a faceless overseas council that often forces policies at odds with the will of the local people. What a terrible person, literally worse than hitler.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

etalian posted:

Scotland is a rich white country so joining the EU makes sense.

Why do you think God-Emperor Trump deigned to put a golf course there instead of in England proper or Wales?


etalian posted:

BRICS aren't rising especially after the whole recent commodity reaches.

China is a house of cards, Russia will probably have a decade of recession due to the oil crash/wild foreign policy, Brazil is a huge mess and only India will probably have positive growth over the next few years.

Russia also has an imploding population while India and China have each 1 billion and Brazil is the fifth largest population in the world, just after America and Indonesia.

Eonwe posted:

nigel farage seems like someone you'd see in V for Vendetta

like, some dude who just straight up lies to everyone, doesn't feel bad about it all, and just manipulates everyone to keep power

...and ends up getting his head blown off by a dispirited person his politics has betrayed or shivved in a garage by some Scots.

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jun 26, 2016

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
fortunately as an adult man who isn't a whiny bitch i dont need the nanny state government to protect me from things like DANGEROUS IMMIGRANTS

Arkanomen
May 6, 2007

All he wants is a hug

PathAsc posted:

Won't someone think of the gender-fluid piss-otherkin?

STRONGER TOGETHER-VOTE REMAIN IN HEADSPACE

kikkelivelho
Aug 27, 2015

Dicky B posted:

what do you mean by a "more integrated"? I can already freely experience europe all i like. it's called tourism

There are still countless borders splitting up this continent that absolutely don't need to be there. Imagine you could work and live anywhere in Europe, from Turkey to Scotland, freely as you choose. Tourism is nice of course, but it's still a far cry from being a true citizen of Europe, unhindered by language, borders or culture.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
if you people had the second amendment you wouldn't need to be afraid of SPOOKY MUSLIMS because freely available guns prevent violence

tenspott
Aug 1, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

Decebal posted:

Just drive on a US freeway and see how rich and diverse it is by the restaurant offerings displayed on the side of the road. Hope you enjoy Taco Bell & McDonald's for 2000 miles :)

Tear down Europe's borders so they can have this type of Paradise too !!



Typical continental fare consisting of two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a NON sesame seed bun. They like to mix it up over there!

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
all I know is that I think its hilarious that scared old people voted to leave the EU and gently caress over their kids

i live in the US, everything is already terrible here, so join the club

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Decebal
Jan 6, 2010

Young Freud posted:

Why do you think God-Emperor Trump deigned to put a golf course there instead of in England proper or Wales?


Russia also has an imploding population while India and China have each 1 billion and Brazil is the fifth largest population in the world, just after America and Indonesia.

There's more room in Europe !!



and it's probably their fault somehow.

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