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Rinkles posted:Sheesh <In extremely Sam Stoddard voice>: Whoopsie daisy
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Is there a single effect they could print in EMN that would reduce the dominance of GW Tokens? Seems like a 2 mana and/or instant speed answer to Planeswalkers a la Dreadbore would go a long way towards that. Or a card with something to the effect of "creatures your opponents control can't have +1/+1 counters on them." Or, if a guy can dream, a decent counterspell.
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Jun 26, 2016 19:51
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Rinkles posted:Sheesh Hmm, maybe they shouldn't have put some of the strongest cards in the past 6 sets in two colors.
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Jun 26, 2016 19:51
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stinkles1112 posted:Is there a single effect they could print in EMN that would reduce the dominance of GW Tokens? Seems like a 2 mana and/or instant speed answer to Planeswalkers a la Dreadbore would go a long way towards that. Or a card with something to the effect of "creatures your opponents control can't have +1/+1 counters on them." Or, if a guy can dream, a decent counterspell. Bring back WIther and reprint Kulrath Knight
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Jun 26, 2016 20:13
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mehall posted:Bring back WIther and reprint Kulrath Knight Wither is the best representation of creatures applying -1/-1 counters they've done. Shadowmoor is a great set.
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Jun 26, 2016 20:19
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https://twitter.com/Chosler88/status/747140947201359872
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Jun 26, 2016 20:20
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This Living End game  Tony Le plays Scavenging Ooze, uses both birds to eat Fulminator Mage and Pale Recluse, passed. David Pierce draws, plays Demonic Dread, cascades into the topdeck living end, trigger on the stack, uses his last forest to cycle Deadshot Minotaur, draws Street Wrath, cycles that into another Street Wraith, into a Faerie Macabre, pitches two Macabres to exile the Raging Ravine in Le's graveyard. Living End Resolves. Count Bleck fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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Jun 26, 2016 20:27
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stinkles1112 posted:Is there a single effect they could print in EMN that would reduce the dominance of GW Tokens? Seems like a 2 mana and/or instant speed answer to Planeswalkers a la Dreadbore would go a long way towards that. Or a card with something to the effect of "creatures your opponents control can't have +1/+1 counters on them." Or, if a guy can dream, a decent counterspell. This chart doesn't show dominance from GW tokens, it shows dominance from GWx decks. Yes, tokens has the most representation, but Bant Company+Bant Humans isn't far behind, and Rites is there too.
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Jun 26, 2016 20:35
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SCG regionals all over US and Canada. Proceeds to show the only canadian regional is in Calgary
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Jun 26, 2016 20:35
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Hey goons is anyone at GP Pitt? If you are look for the tall ginger hobbling around on a crutch badly. I'm over by the stores right now.
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Jun 26, 2016 20:53
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stinkles1112 posted:Is there a single effect they could print in EMN that would reduce the dominance of GW Tokens? Seems like a 2 mana and/or instant speed answer to Planeswalkers a la Dreadbore would go a long way towards that. Or a card with something to the effect of "creatures your opponents control can't have +1/+1 counters on them." Or, if a guy can dream, a decent counterspell. Sure, reprint Flashfires.
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Jun 26, 2016 20:56
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stinkles1112 posted:Is there a single effect they could print in EMN that would reduce the dominance of GW Tokens? Seems like a 2 mana and/or instant speed answer to Planeswalkers a la Dreadbore would go a long way towards that. Or a card with something to the effect of "creatures your opponents control can't have +1/+1 counters on them." Or, if a guy can dream, a decent counterspell. Sure. gently caress Green and White Sorcery 1RB Deal 2 damage to all creatures and players. In addition remove 2 counters from all permanents in play. (permanents with no counters can't lose counters) So Volcanic Fallout, but a sorcery, and the black aspect removes counters. This would be in Color Pie, and roughly what a Gold card at that CMC could do. Of course this card murders planeswalkers (even though thats in color pie for black as well). But they won't ever print it because spells cant be good anymore. It's all about Planeswalkers and creature combat. It would also make Grixis like actually really good in Standard cause it comboes with Thing in the Ice. But R and D is on a "gently caress Grixis" train lately so.....
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Jun 26, 2016 21:06
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anglachel posted:Sure. Print that at uncommon, please and thank you.
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Jun 26, 2016 21:08
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anglachel posted:Sure.
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Jun 26, 2016 21:13
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 LMAO. Local grinder makes it big.
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Jun 26, 2016 21:14
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Yawgmoth posted:They could print that at 2RB and it would still be a loving 4-of in any deck that could support it even a little. Only because of GW tokens though I think. It's not a ridiculously powerful card, which I guess is the point!
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Jun 26, 2016 21:15
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They could reprint Damnation.
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Jun 26, 2016 21:18
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anglachel posted:Sure. If you're going to make a card to complain about the dominance of Avacyn and Sylvan Advocate, could you actually make it do something about Avacyn and Sylvan Advocate? It doesn't even pop Reflector Mage or Matter Displacer...
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Jun 26, 2016 21:18
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:If you're going to make a card to complain about the dominance of Avacyn and Sylvan Advocate, could you actually make it do something about Avacyn and Sylvan Advocate? They aren't going to ban cards in standard. That being said, Sylvan Advocate is better than Goyf would be in this standard.
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Jun 26, 2016 21:19
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reprint the following three cards: lightning strike/bolt, dreadbore, snapcaster mage E: also mana leak
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Jun 26, 2016 21:23
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GeneX posted:reprint the following three cards: lightning strike/bolt, dreadbore, snapcaster mage Yes, yes, no and yes
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Jun 26, 2016 21:26
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GeneX posted:reprint the following three cards: lightning strike/bolt, dreadbore, snapcaster mage Decks enabled by those would still have Avacyn at the top of the curve. We're stuck with her unless they make a better haymaker. Reprint Baneslayer Angel.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:If you're going to make a card to complain about the dominance of Avacyn and Sylvan Advocate, could you actually make it do something about Avacyn and Sylvan Advocate? A playable lightning strike would deal with Sylvan Advocate and Reflector Mage. And as far as Avacyn goes, there's lot of cards already in print that can deal with Avacyn. Just not her deal with when she's negating a Boardwipe cause you have to wait till turn 5 to play Wrath's so you they get to hold 5 mana open if they went first to negate your wipe the rest of the game. Note the card I suggested doesn't actually hurt Always Watching focused strategies like at all Also it's cards like Tireless Tracker and Giddeon that I think really push Green and White over the top. Sylvan Advocate and Avacyn would be perfectly fine if they were like the most powerful cards for their colors. But they aren't. anglachel fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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Jun 26, 2016 21:36
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Some Numbers posted:Yes, yes, no and yes Why not Dreadbore?
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Cernunnos posted:Why not Dreadbore? Because he is an idiot. Mae posted:JIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM DAAAAAAAAAAAAAVISSSSSSSSSSS Only he would refuse to concede an infinite combo of life on game 1. Sickening fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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Jun 26, 2016 21:57
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Cernunnos posted:Why not Dreadbore? Dreadbore was the second suggestion. The third was Snapcaster.
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Jun 26, 2016 22:11
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stinkles1112 posted:Is there a single effect they could print in EMN that would reduce the dominance of GW Tokens? No, usually when token decks get good cards they are really, really hard to beat. This time around they have 2 planeswalkers that both make and pump tokens, they have a superefficient instant speed token maker, they have a "gently caress your Wrath" card in Avacyn, and Westvale Abbey to turn a bunch of 0/1s and 1/1s into a real threat. There's no Maelstrom Pulse to knock out multiple tokens, there's not even a Firespout to clear out tokens early. Noncreature permanents, especially planeswalkers, that make creature tokens are notoriously powerful and hard to deal with in Constructed: Garruk Wildspeaker, Xenagos, Bitterblossom, several Elspeths, Mastery of the Unseen. The list goes on. Maybe Secure the Wastes, Dromoka's Command, and Hangarback Walker rotating out will be enough to kill the deck, but Gideon + Nissa is still a really powerful combo.
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Lets Pickle posted:No, usually when token decks get good cards they are really, really hard to beat. This time around they have 2 planeswalkers that both make and pump tokens, they have a superefficient instant speed token maker, they have a "gently caress your Wrath" card in Avacyn, and Westvale Abbey to turn a bunch of 0/1s and 1/1s into a real threat. There's no Maelstrom Pulse to knock out multiple tokens, there's not even a Firespout to clear out tokens early. Noncreature permanents, especially planeswalkers, that make creature tokens are notoriously powerful and hard to deal with in Constructed: Garruk Wildspeaker, Xenagos, Bitterblossom, several Elspeths, Mastery of the Unseen. The list goes on. Maybe Secure the Wastes, Dromoka's Command, and Hangarback Walker rotating out will be enough to kill the deck, but Gideon + Nissa is still a really powerful combo. Declaration in stone is a cheaper maelstorm pulse for tokens. Edit: Why aren't people bringing Rites decks. Don't they have an advantage against G/W tokens, and lose to B/W control which is only seeing less and less play. DangerDongs fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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Jun 26, 2016 22:28
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Reprint Night of Souls' Betrayal.
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Jun 26, 2016 22:41
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 The Midnight Scavengers art hasn't been seen anywhere yet, so I guess this is real? They apparently did this mechanic in Duel Monsters. (from here)
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Minority Deport posted:
Mechanics where other cards are named is cool. I think I remember reading that they don't do those often because of having card names in other languages.
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loving CALLED IT
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I really want it to be real.
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Jun 26, 2016 23:06
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Neato. Some predicted this based on that two part Endbringer that I think was randomly found in a booster.
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One step closer to yugioh
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I wrote this on on my Facebook on April 18: "So, a thought for my MTG friends. I know Ken Nagle tried to design cards that had two "halves" like BFG for NPH. It didn't end up working for a variety of reasons, many of which should be obvious. However... it strikes me that double-faced technology is the perfect venue for such a thing to exist. Consider two cards: Nahiri's Cult and Nahiri's Lodestone The Cult is a creature on its front face. The Lodestone is a mana rock artifact. The Cult has the ability "10, T: if this creature and a card named Nahiri's Lodestone are both on the battlefield, transform them both and link them." Link being the new keyword here. The back sides of Cult and Lodestone are each half of a giant Emrakul, Devourer of Innistrad. Each half of Emrakul, Devourer of Innistrad is just half a card with no independent existence, but they are never seen in that state-- to get them to transform, they must both be present when the trigger resolves. That gets around the problem of "half-cards" that do nothing unless you have the other half. Cult and Lodestone both function alone. Emrakul is obviously a completely bonkers giant creature in this scenario. In order to get around corner cases you could keyword the transform ability "Meld" or whatever, and add a section to the comp rules that says "If a card with Meld would transform by any means other than its Meld ability, it does not transform." I would like to hear what you all think." even nailed the name
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Rinkles posted:Neato. Some predicted this based on that two part Endbringer that I think was randomly found in a booster. I'm surprised I never saw this, but a quick Google later:  Edit: it also occurred to me today that we probably won't see clue tokens in EDM because the "mystery" has been solved.
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I hope they reprint B.F.M. in this set.
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BJPaskoff posted:I'm surprised I never saw this, but a quick Google later: In the mythos you don't fight the monsters, but instead research the proper spell to banish them, so there's still room for Investigate. I don't think they explored Investigate's design space enough so I hope to see more of it in EMN. e: Also I guess the Hanweir card is a Meld creature on the other half and that's the reason we only saw one of its faces yet. GimmickMan fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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