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Toxxupation posted:That is possibly the faintest-rear end faint praise you're damning Cyborg with. I feel like almost every character in that show was the best they've been in modern media, minus Robin, who was a weird mishmash of Dick, Jason, and Tim's personalities, and maybe the Doom Patrol. Lot of C-D list villains and Titan's got to be cool in that show.
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Alucard Nacirema posted:I think it has more to do with the fact that Cyborg was in Super Friends and Johns is too addicted to his nostalgia I won't disagree with this but he could have easily had a fondness for a less terrible character.
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Jun 26, 2016 22:06
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I really don't care for Cyborg, but that's mostly because the character is pretty much been depicted most times as a plot device and is devoid of any good characterization. I'm not resistant to the fact that someone could turn him around. In fact John Semper said some things during that DC Rebirth intro panel that got me curious about his new series. So much so that I think I might actually buy at least the Rebirth issue. He'll have to be a miracle worker though for me to follow it past that as I can't imagine anyone buying two Cyborg comics a month for any reason.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I feel like almost every character in that show was the best they've been in modern media, minus Robin, who was a weird mishmash of Dick, Jason, and Tim's personalities, and maybe the Doom Patrol. I wonder what rewatching the series now would be like, if it still holds up a decade-plus after it aired. I'm really surprised that, for an animated series as beloved as it was, that Teen Titans didn't exactly have a blowback legacy like BTAS did.
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Jun 26, 2016 22:13
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BTAS followed on the heels of the Michael Keaton film and they were telling timeless, classic Batman stories that still hold up to rewatching today. TTG had the most annoying opening music imaginable and had no massively successful film franchise to ride in on.
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Jun 26, 2016 22:15
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Toxxupation posted:I wonder what rewatching the series now would be like, if it still holds up a decade-plus after it aired. I rewatched it with a nephew and niece who are big fans of it now thanks to reruns and that shittier, newer show. It still holds up pretty okay, and it's kind of nice to see each season kind of revolved around one of the titans (Except startfire who's slot went to Terra for season 2). Hell, even Cyborg got season 3's main plot all to himself and the Teen Titan's east with Brother Blood and HIVE. Also Mas y Menos were super fun and I wish they transitioned back into the comics, but given how DC writes things they'd probably become monsters or worse.
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Jun 26, 2016 22:24
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Rhyno posted:TTG had the most annoying opening music imaginable Hey, kids loved that opening. I know because I was like...seven, at the time. (I literally squealed when Nightwing showed up that one time)
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Jun 26, 2016 22:30
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WickedHate posted:Hey, kids loved that opening. I know because I was like...seven, at the time. (I literally squealed when Nightwing showed up that one time) But when you go to revisit it 10 years later you wonder what the hell was wrong with you as a child.
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I've been thinking and I'd be fine with Cyborg in the League, but not as one of the original members. They need to acknowledge his time with the Titans and how he earned his spot in the JL. Kinda like how Dick did when he was in the JL briefly. Then let's get this poo poo big again! Get Green Arrow, Black Canary, the Atom, the Hawks, Captain Marvel, Firestorm. And I love original LOSH. I just enjoy the size of it and the diversity. Also loved post-Zero Hour. But the story-arc in Action Comics followed by the stuff in Adventure Comics and the 6th volume of LOSH is extremely my poo poo.
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Rhyno posted:But when you go to revisit it 10 years later you wonder what the hell was wrong with you as a child. Nah it still rules.
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WickedHate posted:Nah it still rules. You made it almost a whole week before you made a bad post.
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Rhyno posted:You made it almost a whole week before you made a bad post. I'm too much of a weeb to not love everything about it's semi-cringy faux anime set up, and that includes the Japanese pop stars.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:So he loves Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, and Cyborg... It's not just sad, it's annoying. Hal is a lame GL, Barry is prolly the worst Flash, and Cyborg is prolly the worst Titan.
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SeannieDarko posted:Then let's get this poo poo big again! ...the Hawks... Nope.
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Awwwwwwww man
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Hawkgirl & Dove
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I was gonna say, having Hawkgirl around would be pretty cool, but then I forgot the only version of Hawkgirl I liked was the Justice League cartoon version, and in comics she's not really like cartoon Hawkgirl at all. DC has a lot of characters that are a lot less interesting/fun in comics than they are in the animated stuff. Hawkgirl, Cyborg, basically everyone in Young Justice (including Aqualad, who despite having a much dumber name than Aquaman and not being king of Atlantis, totally managed to be a cool character that wasn't hindered by being an Aquaperson). (also, Travis343, my avatar isn't The Flash, it's from a music video that I'm not linking here because it's NSFW and not particularly comicbook related. Google the text under the gif, you should find it)
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DrProsek posted:DC has a lot of characters that are a lot less interesting/fun in comics than they are in the animated stuff. Hawkgirl, Cyborg, basically everyone in Young Justice Strong disagree there, unless you're specifically talking about New 52 versions.
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X-O posted:Strong disagree there, unless you're specifically talking about New 52 versions. Oh yeah, should have added that qualifier; my bad  .
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I finished Batman Eternal. I really loved one specific element of that final issue - the idea that, for one day, everyone in Gotham decides to be Batman - and all the Bluebird/Spoiler/Julie Pennyworth/Catwoman stuff was great. I also really liked the idea of who the ultimate Big Bad is, but the last-minute swerve so it'd be Marsh yet again is an altogether-too-convenient way to give the Cluemaster his moment of triumph without upsetting the status quo. I guess for a story being told that's that long and has such a strong central mystery of "Who is doing this and why", the reveal of it being "Batman's brother, again, and also that lame rear end in a top hat version of the Riddler" comes across as distinctly unsatisfying. It's also frustrating when Cluemaster's plan, such as it is, is "Get a bunch of better villains into Gotham and have them tire Batman out to the point where I win, I guess", which is basically Bane's plan in Knightfall anyways. It also sucks that Cluemaster's plan is "get everyone to Gotham where I don't really have a guiding plan", so all the different ongoing things - the Arkham zombie poo poo, Aslyum blowing up releasing its prisoners, Hush's mega-longand super convoluted plan, the Blackgate mess, Spoiler's stuff, the Catwoman stuff - it doesn't really cohere into a central vision because the whole point of it was anarchy, so it sort of reveals the strings of being a whole bunch of convoluted wheel spinning until the endgame finally got setup. I also don't really get Bard's arc in Eternal and how, even by Gotham's incredibly loose standards, a sitting Commissioner could orchestrate the deaths of a whole platoon of cops under his command and not get thrown in jail. It doesn't really...track or anything. Also Hush just kinda sucks so the fact that he's the number two or three big bad in Eternal sucks poo poo. Hush is lame. Eternal ended up feeling like kind of a mess that didn't really know where it was going or what it was doing. Although it had awesome individual stuff, it feels sort of aimless and wheel-spinny for a lot of its run, especially in retrospect when you have no idea who the person behind it all could be. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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I assume you're now going to speed into Batman and Robin Eternal? I never heard much good about Batman Eternal but I have heard a few people that liked the that series.
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No, that isn't on my shortlist. Currently I have a bunch of Batgirl comics to read (including the beginning of the Batgirl of Burnside run), then Gotham Academy into Endgame, Grayson, We Are Robin, Robin, Son of Batman, then Superheavy and Robin War. Where should I wedge Batman and Robin Eternal into that?
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Toxxupation posted:No, that isn't on my shortlist. Currently I have a bunch of Batgirl comics to read (including the beginning of the Batgirl of Burnside run), then Gotham Academy into Endgame, Grayson, We Are Robin, Robin, Son of Batman, then Superheavy and Robin War. Where should I wedge Batman and Robin Eternal into that? I think there's a couple month hiatus between the two. Someone that actually read it might be better at answering that question. I just heard it was an improvement on Eternal.
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It was also half as long so they didn't have to pad it out with bullshit subplots.
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WickedHate posted:I'm too much of a weeb to not love everything about it's semi-cringy faux anime set up, and that includes the Japanese pop stars. I can't believe I'm agreeing with a WickedHate post but I guess this is the hill I die on.
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Did somebody say the new Teen Titans show sucked and this passed without comment? The new Teen Titans show loving rocks. It's the best.
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TTG is a huge example of hit and miss. It's got some pretty nice gags here and there but it's mostly aggressively mediocre.TwoPair posted:I can't believe I'm agreeing with a WickedHate post but I guess this is the hill I die on. I can't believe people are only just now acknowledging who I am. I didn't even get a single "welcome back"! Pretty rude, yall.
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WickedHate posted:TTG is a huge example of hit and miss. It's got some pretty nice gags here and there but it's mostly aggressively mediocre. Last time that jinxed you so I just let it slide. I didn't expect your next downfall to be over loving Teen Titans Go.
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Teen Titans Go is a good cartoon that happens to use DC characters. The new iPhone game based on the show is also delightful. Batman is quite a dick and you play as Robin as he slowly descends into madness.
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Wasn't one of the reasons that Cyborg was added into the Justice League because Dwayne McDuffie was a fan of his, and they did it in his memory? I remember reading that somewhere before, but now that I'm looking into it, I can't find a source on it...
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Rhyno posted:Last time that jinxed you so I just let it slide. I didn't expect your next downfall to be over loving Teen Titans Go. Wait, are we talking about the original Teen Titans cartoon or the new(er) one? I don't even remember what Go's intro theme sounds like.
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So I'm starting the Batgirl of Burnside run and is there any specific reason why they didn't just call it a new volume? I'd be more fine with Barbara moving and not bringing Alysia along if it didn't, you know, directly contradict the entirety of the previous issue. I just think a new creative team (and apparently a new canon?) would have worked better if they didn't pretend that this was a direct sequel to the final issue of the previous run being all about how Barbara realized that she was shutting people out, she had to embrace the family she built on top of the family she was born with (basically only her father at this point), she can't just leave people she's close to, yadda yadda.
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Maybe the previous run wasn't very well received? Plus I don't think a new creative team should be shackled into something the previous team does on their way out if they don't want to be. And from how popular the Burnside stuff is they probably made the right decision.
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Wasn't there a massive uproar over Gail Simone leaving the book?
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There was a big uproar when she got fired and then rehired (I think) but that was mostly because it was during a time when DC could do nothing right and because she has a pretty vocal dedicated fanbase of her own.
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X-O posted:There was a big uproar when she got fired and then rehired (I think) but that was mostly because it was during a time when DC could do nothing right and because she has a pretty vocal dedicated fanbase of her own. Yeah I remember that but I think there was a similar reaction when they said she was out for reals.
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Well I think most people forgot that when the Burnside stuff became probably the most popular Batgirl stuff in years.
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X-O posted:Well I think most people forgot that when the Burnside stuff became probably the most popular Batgirl stuff in years. Well yeah, why anyone would yearn for the horseshit she was shoveling would baffle me but before the first issue dropped her fanbase was doing the butthurt mambo.
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X-O posted:Maybe the previous run wasn't very well received? Plus I don't think a new creative team should be shackled into something the previous team does on their way out if they don't want to be. And from how popular the Burnside stuff is they probably made the right decision. No doubt, I'm more saying that that was the prime moment to just call it a new volume and reset the numbering. It's that it's called issue 35, a direct sequel to issue 34, and not something that ignores previous canon that's the issue.
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