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Nitrousoxide posted:When I woke up this morning I was not expecting to see Americans calling for vigilante violent purges of undesirables. Wow, way to go and call undesirables Nazis. That seems pretty harsh, man.
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The city council of White Settlement, TX (really) has voted 2-1 to fire Browser, the library cat.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:28
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DemeaninDemon posted:So when is violence appropriate when dealing with people who believe undesirable races/political alignments should die? Dunno, is the person considering the violence an actual 1980s anarchist skinhead or a fat keyboard warrior who is as likely to "bash the fash" as a freeper is to go out and start "CWII"?
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Jun 27, 2016 03:28
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Mr Hootington posted:Lol nope. He is part of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. We could say his economic views seem a little centrist but that is splitting hairs. I just wanted to check because usually the people who correctly identify Obama as centrist or center left usually know that socialism means "socializing the means of production" where communism specifically implies state/common ownership of said means and, generally, a command economy.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:29
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LorrdErnie posted:Nobody said anything about roaming nazi death squads? Also what were these hypothetical parents and kids doing at the nazi rally in the park anyways? Have they chosen to mingle among the nazis? What is going on in your hypothetical here? In your world anyone who does not know about any rallies or events going on in a park are automatically complicit or in agreement with said rallies, or something. Can't tell if you're trying to make your trolling more apparent because if this is serious logic words fail me. Have fun with your street war - it says a great deal about your age and where you are in life as a person - as most sane individuals don't yearn for that sort of lifestyle as a general rule.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:29
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Joementum posted:The city council of White Settlement, TX (really) has voted 2-1 to fire Browser, the library cat. Most hosed up thing I've read all day.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:32
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Joementum posted:Also in wage news: the Democratic platform will call for an end to lower minimum wage for tipped and disabled workers. I did not see this coming. Maybe in my later years I would've seen tipping culture die, but man if this can even be talked about as a democratic platform, we're moving farther left than my pessimism allowed me to believe.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:33
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Joementum posted:The city council of White Settlement, TX (really) has voted 2-1 to fire Browser, the library cat. I just had to share. 
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Jun 27, 2016 03:33
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Joementum posted:The city council of White Settlement, TX (really) has voted 2-1 to fire Browser, the library cat. Assholes are always trying to get rid of library cats because they're petty dicks. Seriously, it's never argued that someone is allergic to cats or perhaps even a fear of the lingering danger of cat scratch fever. It's always some dick couldn't bring their pet to work/the dorm/whatever building, and they find out that the library has a cat. So they go and they raise a stink because it's not fair. It's really a worse crab bucket mentality than the minimum wage poo poo, because feeling like you've got a bigger dick than that poor guy down the street makes way more sense than taking away someone else's cat because you couldn't take your dog/cat into a completely separate place.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:33
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Joementum posted:The city council of White Settlement, TX (really) has voted 2-1 to fire Browser, the library cat. what the gently caress
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Jun 27, 2016 03:34
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Jun 27, 2016 03:34
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LorrdErnie posted:Nobody said anything about roaming nazi death squads? Also what were these hypothetical parents and kids doing at the nazi rally in the park anyways? Have they chosen to mingle among the nazis? What is going on in your hypothetical here? Nazi rallies tend to have a heightened police presence for this very reason. If they turn to violence, let the police handle it.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:35
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Really? Which country did you fall asleep in? Well I thought a better one apparently. What's really disheartening is what Trump is tapping into is the same thing the folks in here are tapping into with their desire to bash the heads in of their own undesirables.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:36
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Joementum posted:The city council of White Settlement, TX (really) has voted 2-1 to fire Browser, the library cat. probably trump supporters that didn't like that Browser was a rescue cat
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Jun 27, 2016 03:37
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LorrdErnie posted:Exceptions are made to freedom of speech based on a number of things. The classic example is yelling fire in a crowded theater. It's not exactly unthinkable that allowing fascists to openly organize and gather support could cause similar harm. A similar argument about the black panthers would be much more difficult to make for a number of reasons that I'm not particularly interested in explaining to you but has a little bit to do with generations of institutionalized white supremacy. The fact that you and the nazis agree about the moral justification for using violence against "dangerous political speech" should be a hint.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:39
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im the mealymouthed equivocation between trump supporters who call and perform violence against racial and outgroups who had 0 ability to choose the things that they're being targeted for and lumpy rear end white dudes who willingly choose to believe in a hateful failed ideology bash the fash imo
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Jun 27, 2016 03:40
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Sunset posted:In your world anyone who does not know about any rallies or events going on in a park are automatically complicit or in agreement with said rallies, or something. Can't tell if you're trying to make your trolling more apparent because if this is serious logic words fail me. Have fun with your street war - it says a great deal about your age and where you are in life as a person - as most sane individuals don't yearn for that sort of lifestyle as a general rule. So again how'd they encounter the giant confrontation between skinheads and antifa and then proceed to get close enough to it to even possibly get hurt? Do you have examples of unrelated "parents and kids" who managed to get hurt or are we not actually talking about real people? Nazi parents don't count I'm afraid, sorry. Also I'm confused as to how I supposedly yearn for that lifestyle. I'd rather nazis and fascists didn't march. That would be the ideal scenario. In the world in which they do march action needs to be taken before the threat spreads. You're like a man whose trashcan is on fire and gets mad at the people throwing water on it because they might have soaked your electronics.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:42
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Stultus Maximus posted:Dunno, is the person considering the violence an actual 1980s anarchist skinhead or a fat keyboard warrior who is as likely to "bash the fash" as a freeper is to go out and start "CWII"? Got it. Bash the fash only if Freep declares them a false flag.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:42
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Freakazoid_ posted:I did not see this coming. Maybe in my later years I would've seen tipping culture die, but man if this can even be talked about as a democratic platform, we're moving farther left than my pessimism allowed me to believe. Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Washington and Guam already set the minimum wage for tipped workers to be the same as that of untipped workers and tip culture has not died in any of those states/territories. Notes: Minnesota still makes exceptions for small employers and workers under the age of 20. Montana also makes exceptions for small businesses. Nevada allows for a lower rate if health benefits are offered. Washington makes exceptions for workers under the age of 20.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:44
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DemeaninDemon posted:Got it. Bash the fash only if Freep declares them a false flag. What is the moisture content of the powder though?
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Jun 27, 2016 03:44
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Joementum posted:The city council of White Settlement, TX (really) has voted 2-1 to fire Browser, the library cat. This is one of the most hosed up things I read today, and I spent my time reading pro-Brexit facebook memes.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:44
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So is filming vigilantee justice the same as squeeling to the pigs? If you make vigilantees look bad in the media, are you aiding the nazis?quote:
Bash the Press!
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Jun 27, 2016 03:45
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Trabisnikof posted:The fact that you and the nazis agree about the moral justification for using violence against "dangerous political speech" should be a hint. We're not talking about "dangerous political speech". This isn't creating some slippery slope that endangers speech. We're talking specifically about Nazism, which is objectively bad and should be put down with full force.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:45
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Joementum posted:The city council of White Settlement, TX (really) has voted 2-1 to fire Browser, the library cat. We live in an ugly world full of ugly people, but wonderful cats.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:47
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Stultus Maximus posted:What is the moisture content of the powder though? Equal to the amount of jizz from violence committed against gay/black/muslim/Hispanic divided by the total mass of powder+ jizz.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:47
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LorrdErnie posted:So again how'd they encounter the giant confrontation between skinheads and antifa and then proceed to get close enough to it to even possibly get hurt? Do you have examples of unrelated "parents and kids" who managed to get hurt or are we not actually talking about real people? Nazi parents don't count I'm afraid, sorry. I don't understand why you're trying to straw-man me to death here. I mean, are you telling me that park officials go around and clear everyone out of a park before people hold their scheduled rallies, so that anyone who is at the park as soon as the rally begins, is there for and associated with the rally? Parks have families in it. That's just what parks are there for. I get that you want to use a blame the victim thing with the 'Why were they there, hmm?" angle but it just comes off as a really bad troll. I can't really take it seriously because I go to my local parks all the time - they're really nice. There's events and rallies sometimes and I admit I don't always know what's they're for. But people are all over the place at parks. Alone, in groups, etc.. It's highly unlikely that there were not random people around when this all started happening. You can keep trying to push this whole angle that families/people who want to enjoy the park have less of a right to be there once people start fighting but we'll just have to agree to disagree. The fighting parties should not be there. It's a park..
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Jun 27, 2016 03:48
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Trabisnikof posted:So is filming vigilantee justice the same as squeeling to the pigs? If you make vigilantees look bad in the media, are you aiding the nazis? They also smashed the glass on the capitol building. It was probably Nazi glass. You're all cheering for "bash the fash" but this is just a group of assholes looking to start poo poo and they found a target no one will care about.
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RZA Encryption posted:We're not talking about "dangerous political speech". This isn't creating some slippery slope that endangers speech. We're talking specifically about Nazism, which is objectively bad and should be put down with full force. I suggest you read up a little more about the history of censorship in America. Everything from "socialism" to information about contraceptives have been attacked as "objectively bad and should be put down with full force." Often, by the powers that be. The idea that we should again allow the gang with the most knives to control public discourse is very bad and American history is replete with examples.
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Beating up fascists just transforms them into heroes and martyrs unjustly persecuted by the violent evil commie leftists. When has violent suppression ever put a dent in a political movement, short of having armed soldiers literally murdering supporters in the streets? Political movements of all stripes have endured a lot worse than getting attacked by counter-protesters, and fascists in particular are probably glad for an excuse to get violent.
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Trabisnikof posted:So is filming vigilantee justice the same as squeeling to the pigs? If you make vigilantees look bad in the media, are you aiding the nazis? I think what we need is a counter-counter-protest to beat the poo poo out of those Black Bloc idiots.
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Deteriorata posted:I think what we need is a counter-counter-protest to beat the poo poo out of those Black Bloc idiots. I want someone to call their moms.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:52
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RZA Encryption posted:We're not talking about "dangerous political speech". This isn't creating some slippery slope that endangers speech. We're talking specifically about Nazism, which is objectively bad and should be put down with full force. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie
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Guys you're defending people even the ACLU has second thoughts about defending. Perhaps the slope you're presenting isn't as steep as you think it is. We're talking about Neo-Nazis, not fundamentalist churchgoers.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:53
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RZA Encryption posted:We're not talking about "dangerous political speech". This isn't creating some slippery slope that endangers speech. We're talking specifically about Nazism, which is objectively bad and should be put down with full force. it is not like you are advocating a law here, you're advocating vigilante violence guess who picks the target of the violent vigilantes? cuz it's not any of the people cheering on bashing nazis. FAKE EDIT: case in point, Trabisnikof's post.
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SSNeoman posted:Guys you're defending people even the ACLU has second thoughts about defending. Perhaps the slope you're presenting isn't as steep as you think it is. We're talking about Neo-Nazis, not fundamentalist churchgoers. Ah yes - a request for not-violence/bloodshed in parks and public = defending the Neo-Nazis, and not even the ACLU would do that.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:55
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Trabisnikof posted:If we don't defend literal Nazis then next thing you know we won't be able to support Bernie Sanders 2! It's like you don't understand the magnitude of difference between "Nazism" and normal political opposition.
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SSNeoman posted:Guys you're defending people even the ACLU has second thoughts about defending. Perhaps the slope you're presenting isn't as steep as you think it is. We're talking about Neo-Nazis, not fundamentalist churchgoers. Seriously, it's pretty easy to delineate rhetorically between a repugnant political opinion and Actual Nazism, especially when the latter adheres to the aesthetic qualities of the 3rd reich to engender negative/violent reactions that they can then reprise.
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RZA Encryption posted:Nah, I think Nazism has earned itself a special exception to being treated civilly. They don't get to be treated as just an alternative viewpoint. Would you feel better if we amended some laws to say "note: this does not apply to Nazis, gently caress those guys."? 
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SSNeoman posted:Guys you're defending people even the ACLU has second thoughts about defending. Perhaps the slope you're presenting isn't as steep as you think it is. We're talking about Neo-Nazis, not fundamentalist churchgoers. The ACLU's defense of a neo nazis right to gather for a rally in a town where 1/6 people was a Holocaust survivor is both a landmark SCOTUS case taught to every law school student and was posted right before your post.
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