guts and bolts posted:

It's less that there are reasons to avoid it when everything is going swimmingly and more that Reinhardts will often panic-hold M2 in an effort to not die and expect the shield to save them when it in fact will not

What I'm driving at is that while a good Rein and a bad Rein will likely both just facetank the Sym orbs and Rein Es without blinking, they do so for different reasons

I think the general thrust of the thread is that most people play either solo or in small premades, and if you're playing against a good premade when your team isn't, you're basically hosed anyway no matter who they pick; it's more like "how do I stop some all-star publord from getting free wins by picking Rein while the rest of his Offense-only brigade piles in behind him?" and the obvious answers are things like "shoot Sym orbs at them" and "pick Bastion"

Countblanc posted:

Do not believe this man - I basically can't convince anyone to play D.Va, Mei, Widow, or Winston in inhouses

Slowpoke! posted:

I always sidestep Firestrike if I can, but I wouldn't lower my shield to avoid it. It doesn't do enough damage to bother me as Reinhardt, but it's not like facetanking it will save your team behind you since it passes through players as well.


Bastion is a good pick to counter a Reinhardt shield, but playing him always seems like a chore. You set up, crack Reinhardt's shield and then everyone realizes your team has a Bastion and focuses on you. It's worse than playing Mercy. Players who wouldn't counterpick a hero even if they were losing will gladly switch to whatever class they think counters Bastion.

NoDamage posted:

I'm having a hell of a time countering Bastion as Pharah. Peeking around a corner I can usually get off one or two rockets before he notices and starts firing at me, at which point I have to retreat to heal otherwise I'll die. If I retreat to heal, then so will he, and we're back at square one.

Rocketlex posted:

Keeping the pressure on Reinhardt's shield is a good use for Lucio's gun. No way you're missing that.

wit posted:

As Lucio I find it irresistible not to skip behind him and put pressure on his skull. Good Reinhardts are stoic about it and keep facing the direction they're going until they're gradually chipped to death. Bad Reinhardts turn around to see whos shooting them and break their own line. Either way, bugging the big guy with Lucio is fun.

Mystery Machine posted:

Pro Junkrats blow Pharah out of the sky with a sick mine throw.

Rocketlex posted:

If turning would break their line, wouldn't that mean their team is behind them? Where you are? And shooting you?

Imagined posted:

In solo queue there's nobody behind Reinhardt.

Imagined posted:

Playing Mercy is so unfun. An ult-bot with a bullseye on her back for every Reaper, Genji, Winston, Roadhog and Widow in the solar system. Sucks because I love her aesthetic and her ult is soooo loving useful.

I kind of hate that there's a resurrect mechanic at all in this game, though. How many times has your team coordinated like three ults together to get a near-team wipe and cap a point only to have a Mercy just press Q and undo all of that?

Imagined posted:

In solo queue there's nobody behind Reinhardt.

Orcs and Ostriches posted:

In my experience, pubbies will gladly stand in front of my shield to protect it.

NoDamage posted:

I'm having a hell of a time countering Bastion as Pharah. Peeking around a corner I can usually get off one or two rockets before he notices and starts firing at me, at which point I have to retreat to heal otherwise I'll die. If I retreat to heal, then so will he, and we're back at square one.

Verranicus posted:

If anyone needs a nerf it's loving Reaper.

khy posted:

Everyone says that Symmetra's orb goes through the reinhardt shield. The thing is, I swear to god I've seen the orb impact the shield and stop. I can't be the only one who's see that, can I?

Verranicus posted:

If anyone needs a nerf it's loving Reaper.

RCarr posted:

You know you can fly right?

Imagined posted:

Playing Mercy is so unfun. An ult-bot with a bullseye on her back for every Reaper, Genji, Winston, Roadhog and Widow in the solar system. Sucks because I love her aesthetic and her ult is soooo loving useful.

I kind of hate that there's a resurrect mechanic at all in this game, though. How many times has your team coordinated like three ults together to get a near-team wipe and cap a point only to have a Mercy just press Q and undo all of that?

Verranicus posted:

If anyone needs a nerf it's loving Reaper.

Verranicus posted:

If anyone needs a nerf it's loving Reaper.

mcvey posted:

Reaper benefited quite a bit from the mccree nerfs.

mcvey posted:

Lowering Reapers shadowstep to normal running speed would be a good start.

guts and bolts posted:

This is indicative of two things:

1) your team is bad for not killing Mercy first - this happens quite a lot, actually, and you need to make sure Mercy dies first or your "let's all press Q at the same time! " strat wasn't very coordinated to begin with
2) the map is one of the dumb ones where the spawn door is so close that Mercy steps out of it, presses Q, and gets a mass rez even if you did kill her

so really it's less that Mercy's ult is too good for a game like this, and more like "why is it possible for Mercy to get a mass rez even if we killed her first, that spawn is way too close" and "why didn't we kill her first"

khy posted:

Symmetra and Mei are both excellent anti-reapers. Even if he tries to ghost away you can wall him off with your E as Mei, and as Symmetra just bunnyhop laserchainsaw him to death.

Verranicus posted:

Actually Mercy's ult charges way too fast.

NoDamage posted:

I'm having a hell of a time countering Bastion as Pharah. Peeking around a corner I can usually get off one or two rockets before he notices and starts firing at me, at which point I have to retreat to heal otherwise I'll die. If I retreat to heal, then so will he, and we're back at square one.

guts and bolts posted: