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Antifa really need to step their game up imo also I'm wondering why nobody has posted the comics of modern anarchists fighting in the Spanish civil war Seems like the only non shameful leftists are the Kurds these days and lol they are from the sandy butthole that is the middle east
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Roylicious posted:Idk man something has to explain why you think there is a rising wind of cuckoldry going on. not cuckoldry per se, just that our culture of permissiveness has seen to it that men are chastized and emasculated for wanting things that are normal (see: a faithful partner.) you just did it yourself. bold is why all of your relationships will fail. no one is "lucky" to be with another (and what is that, he has you? a tacit admission that he owns you? how very patriarchal. lol) relationships are work, with two equal partners coming together because they like it better than being apart. saying "he's lucky to have me" and your other views lead me to believe you really do not respect him in any way, and instead deign to grace him with your presence, for the time being. lastly, more like size 100, owned
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A ILL BREAKFAST posted:not cuckoldry per se, just that our culture of permissiveness has seen to it that men are chastized and emasculated for wanting things that are normal (see: a faithful partner.) you just did it yourself. bold is why all of your relationships will fail. no one is "lucky" to be with another (and what is that, he has you? a tacit admission that he owns you? how very patriarchal. lol) relationships are work, with two equal partners coming together because they like it better than being apart. saying "he's lucky to have me" and your other views lead me to believe you really do not respect him in any way, and instead deign to grace him with your presence, for the time being. lastly, more like size 100, owned More like you just don't understand that both people in a mature relationship are their own actualized individuals and not just 'two parts to a whole' or whatever crap you use to justify 'traditional' family values to yourself. Both individuals are lucky to be in a good relationship. No one has to 'settle' for something or do it just because they don't like to be single. More like some people enjoy swinging or whatever other fetish and it has 0 bearing on the quality of their relationship but you're too obsessed with sexual stuff to realize it.
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"Cukking is ruining the poor white male," said the undersexed internet man. But nobody listened, there were better memes to be had.
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Liberalism leads to shameful, pathetic people - exactly the thing that fascism seeks to cure. Liberals NEED fascism - so that they can become better examples of liberalism.
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Jun 27, 2016 21:53
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idc as long as you bash the fash
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Jun 27, 2016 21:54
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Moridin920 posted:idc as long as you bash the fash 
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Frijolero posted:Fascism is conservative mainly for these reasons: The Nazis celebrated marriage and family but would also take your kids away at a young age to enroll them in Nazi youth programs, encouraged family members to spy on each other, stuff like that. The point being that your loyalty was not to your marriage or your husband or wife, or even your own kids, but to the state. So the components of everyday family life was conscripted into serving the regime. "Marriage" in the Nazi sense was a mechanism for producing more Aryan cannon fodder. Also, if you're a kid, your loyalty was not your own parents but to the Fuhrer. Take this scene from Downfall, where dad tries (and fails) to rescue his Hitler Youth kid, who rebels against him. Nazi ideology disintegrated the family unit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdqaZNfs1mk
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shoulda killed all the nazi scum tbh
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he had more conviction in his beliefs than you do shitbird
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Frijolero posted:Hadn't noticed the reactionary conservative debate that I assume I started with a previous post. I don't see why attaching the labels of reactionary or conservative or whatever is important for the conversation we're having ITT when we all have the time and methods available to us to actually go through and look at the regimes point by point. There's no use in really trying to sum it up past "Fascism has to include A, B and C but can also include X, Y and Z" Outside this thread and these posts where we've got the benefit of outlining our beliefs in length without screaming and getting irl huffy using the words reactionary/conservative/liberal/fascist all conjure wildly different meanings for different people to the point they're almost useless if people don't have the time and the want to have a lengthy civil discussion. But if it's interesting to you then go for it, don't mean to harsh your buzz or anything. Heck, it's what we're already doing here but I just don't want to add yet another layer on top of it since we already seem to all have a hard time agreeing over what fascism is. Frijolero posted:1) Maintaining private property ownership (unlike the communists that fascists hated). I disagree with this in how it compares to communism though, assuming that you're saying that communism isn't "conservative" and actually varies in a meaningful enough way in real life to not actually be fascist at it's core. 1) You still have nationalization of businesses by the state, personal property can still be a thing but I don't see it as a "Must have". If Mussolini and Hitler took away the right to private ownership in 39' I very much doubt people would have started calling them communists. 2) Thats 100% the same as communism in practice, maybe the head of state isn't always a Stalin or Hitler but it's always the party. 3) I think in most self described communist countries marriage was still an institution and a lot of fascist countries the church was seen in a very negative light. 4) Again, too narrow of a definition of fascism for me to agree with. You can have some forms that use an old school ideal of national heritage to unite the masses, or some that are about futurism or others that could be based around relentless progress. I think the only meaningful difference between the term "communist" and "fascism" is that one entices you in through false promises of liberation and then closes the trap when it's to late and the other is at least honest with it's rhetoric. I think over all you can't use the definition of fascism from the 1920's & 30's as an absolute anymore because the words has moved far past that in almost 100 years. For me the "A,B, and C's" i have for fascism are: -nationalization of large amounts of property whether or not it extends from businesses to personal ownership -violence as a moralizing force -a ends justifying the means mentality of the government -that societies must unite under the same ideology to reach their fullest potential -a belief in natural laws rooted in darwinism in some form Digital Fingers fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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And if thats to long for some of you to want to read have a neato Franco quote instead:quote:Fascism, since that is the word that is used, fascism presents, wherever it manifests itself, characteristics which are varied to the extent that countries and national temperaments vary. It is essentially a defensive reaction of the organism, a manifestation of the desire to live, of the desire not to die, which at certain times seizes a whole people. So each people reacts in its own way, according to its conception of life. Our rising, here, has a Spanish meaning! What can it have in common with Hitlerism, which was, above all, a reaction against the state of things created by the defeat, and by the abdication and the despair that followed it?
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Maoist Pussy posted:Liberalism leads to shameful, pathetic people - exactly the thing that fascism seeks to cure. Authoritarianism that fascists and conservatives love so much is the true cukk political ideology since they strive to have a strong daddy figure to tell them what is right and wrong and how to live their lives. And you are basically saying that light needs dark since liberalism and fascism are opposites.
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Turns out complex political ideologies have variants and adherents with different opinions that are all just as valid and you can't really neatly define everything like that.
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Roylicious posted:More like you just don't understand that both people in a mature relationship are their own actualized individuals and not just 'two parts to a whole' or whatever crap you use to justify 'traditional' family values to yourself. Both individuals are lucky to be in a good relationship. No one has to 'settle' for something or do it just because they don't like to be single. I think you're confused about what I mean by "settle down." When I say settle down I don't mean settle, as your boyfriend has done for you. I mean to stop going out on the weekends, getting shitfaced, and having sex with random people. Instead opting for a monogamous relationship. You also seem to have misunderstood my line about "better than they like being apart." Being apart entails a few things. More financial freedom. More personal space. More time to yourself. Less worrying about another's wellbeing. To come together, as in marriage, is to sacrifice these things. My love for my wife is greater than the desire for the aforementioned things, so I asked her to marry me. I definitely did not mean marrying just for the sake of not being single. You are exemplifying what I'm talking about when I say a "culture of permissiveness." Some people are swingers! So what? Who gives a bibble? I doubt it affects their relationship, man. Stop being so backwards! Do you hear yourself? How many successful swinger relationships are there really? Some things are bizarre and should be looked upon with scorn. Like swinging and cuckoldry. Obsessed, hardly. Recognize the spread of destructive social norms when I see them? Absolutely.
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A ILL BREAKFAST posted:I think you're confused about what I mean by "settle down." When I say settle down I don't mean settle, as your boyfriend has done for you. I mean to stop going out on the weekends, getting shitfaced, and having sex with random people. Instead opting for a monogamous relationship. You also seem to have misunderstood my line about "better than they like being apart." Being apart entails a few things. More financial freedom. More personal space. More time to yourself. Less worrying about another's wellbeing. To come together, as in marriage, is to sacrifice these things. My love for my wife is greater than the desire for the aforementioned things, so I asked her to marry me. I definitely did not mean marrying just for the sake of not being single. Hahaha Jesus christ. You just lurch from assumption to assumption to justify your value judgements on other people. 'Destructive social norms' buddy these things have been around since humans have been loving.
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Robot Pride posted:And you are basically saying that light needs dark since liberalism and fascism are opposites. No, liberalism and fascism are two legs of the ideological tripod. A successful polity balances on all three legs. You are living in one-dimensional space, man.
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Digital Fingers posted:words I wasn't comparing communism to fascism. I was talking about specifically about why I used the terms reactionary and conservative. I really don't want to start a new debate about Communism vs. Fascism because it's clear that we can't even get one right.
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Like you realize the family unit and monogamous relationship you're talking about is a fairly new concept that hasn't even been around that long in terms of human history? You're so far up your own butt you can't even realize your ideas are not founded on rational thought but rather emotional appeal and assumption.
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Maoist Pussy posted:No, liberalism and fascism are two legs of the ideological tripod. A successful polity balances on all three legs. You are living in one-dimensional space, man. WTF are you talking about?
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What the gently caress are you two idiots even talking about? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7mRG88KPbA
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It isn't even necessary to really define fascism to know that we need more of it, and not less!
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IMO, a socialist is someone who wants more socialism. Once the amount of socialism you desire is reached, then you're no longer advocating for socialism but, rather, against some alternative to socialism. This is true of p. much any political philosophy. IOW, libertarians don't necessarily want to live in a total libertarian state, not really. They just want more libertarianism. This is just a thought I had, thank you for reading.
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I think we can all agree that people who wear Nazi and white supremacist symbols and march around are big dummies and should be treated with disdain if not open hostility
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Fart Puzzle posted:Modern anarchists fighting in the Spanish civil war Come on then! Don't tease me like that.
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lol gbs has turned into such a handwringing neocon poo poo show
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Moridin920 posted:lol gbs has turned into such a handwringing neocon poo poo show
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http://rednblacksalamander.deviantart.com/art/If-Modern-Anarchists-Fought-in-Spain-Part-1-454788941 I am being the change I wish to see in the world you shitlords
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Wikkheiser posted:I'm the handwringing neocon. idk i haven't seen you constantly posting anti-immigrant nationalist diatribes about the destruction of society and the finer points of fascism yet have i? i mean by all means jump on in there
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Frijolero posted:I wasn't comparing communism to fascism. I was talking about specifically about why I used the terms reactionary and conservative. I really don't want to start a new debate about Communism vs. Fascism because it's clear that we can't even get one right. Well the comparison was there when in your list about why fascism is conservative you used communism as an example of a system that wouldn't do so and so conservative thing. Thats why i said that labeling it conservative or not in the first place was unproductive for our discussion. I agree with not wanting to talk about that bit more though because i'm hungry and i'm going to go warm up some soup and make a sandwich.
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Fart Puzzle posted:I think we can all agree that people who wear Nazi and white supremacist symbols and march around are big dummies and should be treated with disdain if not open hostility Yes, but also
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Moridin920 posted:lol gbs has turned into such a handwringing neocon poo poo show i dont know what this means
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Chinatown posted:i dont know what this means it means every time i open a thread there's a bunch of retards in there talking a bunch of idiot right wing poo poo that takes 5-10 minutes of honest research to disprove or cheering when some fascists stab some people in this case
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US ANTIFAT DRAWS FIRST BLOOD
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hohoho did you see a fat man got stabbed those literal fascists are so cool
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Moridin920 posted:it means every time i open a thread there's a bunch of retards in there talking a bunch of idiot right wing poo poo that takes 5-10 minutes of honest research to disprove hrm yes, very interesting. thanks for the post!
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Also BTW if you don't already know it Moridin920 has severe mental problems that have nothing to do with his political beliefs
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Hi. I found an album you should like. It's Nazis taking a dump. The dumps are your posts. http://imgur.com/a/fkCVx
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who cares that they want humans to be ground under the boot of the state, did you see they were mean to a social justice 'warrior' HOHOHO
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Digital Fingers posted:Also BTW if you don't already know it Moridin920 has severe mental problems that have nothing to do with his political beliefs am I wrong though
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