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WickedHate posted:USAgent sucks, though. I mean, so did Heroes Reborn Cap, but my whole point is that it shouldn't have been wasted. John Walker is a good character and an interesting foil to Steve Rogers. His part in Thunderbolts near the tail end of dark reign and through heroic age was cool.
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His original story was good but now it feels like he just exists for the sake of existing, because comics are a clusterfuck of call backs and revivals and nothing can be forgotten or ended. He doesn't have the staying power or appeal of Beta Ray Bill, for instance. Should have just had a redemptive death at the end of his tenure as Cap and been done with it.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:52
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Double post
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WickedHate posted:His original story was good but now it feels like he just exists for the sake of existing, because comics are a clusterfuck of call backs and revivals and nothing can be forgotten or ended. He doesn't have the staying power or appeal of Beta Ray Bill, for instance. Should have just had a redemptive death at the end of his tenure as Cap and been done with it. Why do you read any books from the big 2?
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Jun 27, 2016 20:05
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I didn't say anything from the past was bad, just that I don't see any other reason for Walker to still around.
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Jun 27, 2016 20:10
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Beta Ray Bill has made less appearances than USAgent. So if either of the two were a callback character anymore. If they kill Walker they should kill Bill too and make it a trifecta of the replacement heroes of the 80's
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Jun 27, 2016 20:26
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Mr Hootington posted:Beta Ray Bill has made less appearances than USAgent. So if either of the two were a callback character anymore. FOURFECTA. Thunderstrike bit it a long time ago. Yeah he wasn't Thor til '91 but he was a major part of the book starting in 88.
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Jun 27, 2016 20:33
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Odinson confirmed to have Thor 1610's hammer.
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Jun 27, 2016 21:48
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X-O posted:Odinson confirmed to have Thor 1610's hammer. Heck of a thing to leak in an ad for an upcoming event. Also suck it person who said that wasn't going to happen.
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Jun 27, 2016 21:49
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All this talk about how John Walker sucks makes me want to post the story of his confrontation with Left Winger and Right Winger in the Touching/Sad Panels thread. Because that was some of Gruenwalds best work.
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Jun 27, 2016 21:49
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Bill wasn't a replacement, he was a bro. 
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Jun 27, 2016 21:50
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Rhyno posted:Heck of a thing to leak in an ad for an upcoming event. It looks to have been redesigned a little, but that's definitely not Jarnbjorn.
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Jun 27, 2016 21:56
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X-O posted:It looks to have been redesigned a little, but that's definitely not Jarnbjorn. Could just be the artist's style but it's def 1610's hammer.
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Jun 27, 2016 22:00
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Thats not a hammer that's an axe.
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Ah, I see you've played Axey-Hammy before.
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Jun 27, 2016 22:29
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It's Hammer and Eve not Axe and Steve
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SynthOrange posted:Thats not a hammer that's an axe. Yeah, Ultimate Thor's hammer actually has a hammer-y bit on the opposite side to the ax head. oh god this is gonna be Bucky's gun all over again isnt it
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Jun 27, 2016 22:52
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1610 Thor's hammer had an axe on the back end of the large hammer face. That thing is just straight up an axe, no hammer surface to be found.
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X-O posted:It looks to have been redesigned a little, but that's definitely not Jarnbjorn. A little? It sure as heck ain't this thing either: 
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Jun 28, 2016 02:28
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We see Old Man Thor Odinson with the classic Mjolnir. Making the significant assumption that Aaron knew that the Ultimate Mjolnir was showing up and hasn't changed plans, I'm guessing that eventually Odinson ends up with his original hammer and Thor Jane Foster ends up with the U-Thor axe-hammer. She might get a new costume with it, as well, so that they can sell another round of Thor Jane action figures.
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Jun 28, 2016 02:36
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Great, yet another minority reduced to Hero-B.
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Squizzle posted:We see Old Man Thor Odinson with the classic Mjolnir. Making the significant assumption that Aaron knew that the Ultimate Mjolnir was showing up and hasn't changed plans, I'm guessing that eventually Odinson ends up with his original hammer and Thor Jane Foster ends up with the U-Thor axe-hammer. She might get a new costume with it, as well, so that they can sell another round of Thor Jane action figures. He wrote the mini series that brought it into the main universe.
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Jun 28, 2016 02:39
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Now I just want the Ultimate Thor hammer to split into a hammer and axe, so he can dual wield when he wants. Also, I'm hoping that outfit and arm mean he's going to be space Thor for a while. I think I've made it clear over the years that I'm a very big fan of Thor in space.
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All I want is if you bring back Odinson with the power of a Thor we keep around FosThor, not only for representation's sake but because her character and stories have been a huge revitalization for the book. And I'm a guy who's a big fan of Aaron's run on Thor, but ever since Jane picked up the hammer the stories have been next level in goodness.
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Jun 28, 2016 06:34
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I don't think Aaron will get rid of Jane as Thor. She's the super hero that Marvel wanted Odinson to be. Odinson Thor can do all the crazy sci-fi and/or fantasy stuff. Thor, like Captain America isn't a character, they're franchises.
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WickedHate posted:Great, yet another minority reduced to Hero-B. I don't want to sound cynical, but this was totally inevitable. That's the cycle these things seem to go in, especially these days where movies tend to inform the comics' status quo. Steve Rogers got his youth back (even if he's a secret HYDRA agent) in time for Cap 3 to come out, Jim Gordon lost that robot suit for Bruce to resume being Batman and Superman regained his powers in time for Batman v Superman, and so the Odinson is totally gonna get Mjolnir back in time for Thor: Ragnarok to hit theaters. I think Jane-Thor has caught on and has enough fans to stick around though, so I don't think she'll just sink into B-hero status like US Agent or something.
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Die Laughing posted:I don't think Aaron will get rid of Jane as Thor. She's the super hero that Marvel wanted Odinson to be. Odinson Thor can do all the crazy sci-fi and/or fantasy stuff. Thor, like Captain America isn't a character, they're franchises. I'm really curious to see what they do since there's a huge push to put her in the films but Portman hosed off so what do they do now.
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I want a second series called Thors, wherein we have Thor, Thor, and Beta Ray Bill teaming up as a team book, solving cosmic scale threats as the gods of lightning. I want a scene where Beta Ray Bill gets hit across the room, and Thor gets disarmed, so Beta Ray Bill tosses his hammer to Thor, who uses it to beat up a badguy. I want a series where the worthy wield their hammers together. But yeah, current Thor is really good, and I hope she stays as Thor permanently, even if Odinson-Thor becomes Thor again.
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Jun 28, 2016 06:43
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Recast. It's not exactly like Portman was some crucial component of the movie anyways, plus this allows Gwendoline Christie play the role she was literally born to play. I mean seriously look at loving Gwendoline Christie. Grow her hair out. Stick her in the masked helmet and combine that with her natural accent and BOOM you got FosThor.
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they recast rhodey they can recast jane
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TwoPair posted:I don't want to sound cynical, but this was totally inevitable. That's the cycle these things seem to go in, especially these days where movies tend to inform the comics' status quo. Steve Rogers got his youth back (even if he's a secret HYDRA agent) in time for Cap 3 to come out, Jim Gordon lost that robot suit for Bruce to resume being Batman and Superman regained his powers in time for Batman v Superman, and so the Odinson is totally gonna get Mjolnir back in time for Thor: Ragnarok to hit theaters. DC and Marvel aren't really comparable in this specific area because of how crucial legacy as a creative direction is across the pond combined with DC's rather...unkind treatment to minority superheroes due to reviving legacy characters. For marvel though they've done well at least recently with minority legacy characters. Miles is the Spider-Man that's on the Avengers, Sam Wilson is by any measurement the most important Captain America. I just hope they continue the trend with Thor (although it seems like there's no reason they shouldn't considering she's critically acclaimed and selling comics.)
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Finally found the first book of Thor: God of Asguard at a local (don't ask me why I felt I needed to do this, but it let me talk to a dude who said this was the right starting point, plus supporting my local!) and I'm on my way to catching up from Marvel NOW Thor thru Ladythor. First book was great, got the second one coming from Amazon (sorry local, you did not have vol. 2 in stock and I don't actually live in SF). Looking at the Thor Marvel Now wiki entry, it also lists Original Sin: Thor & Loki as part of the run. Is this necessary reading to connect to Goddess of Thunder?
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Or more likely Jane Foster dies of cancer and Thor gets his old hammer back and U.Mjolnir is a paperweight.
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TwoPair posted:I don't want to sound cynical, but this was totally inevitable. Yeah that's the problem, Marvel will make a big deal about how Big Name is now not a white male for a quick boost in sales but they don't actually care about representation and will bring back Vanilla Classic as soon as the novelty wears off.
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Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers collections on sale, but no Infinity main series. https://www.comixology.com/Avengers-Collection-Sale/page/11302?ref=c2l0ZS9pbmRleC9kZXNrdG9wL2xhcmdlQ2Fyb3VzZWw
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WickedHate posted:Yeah that's the problem, Marvel will make a big deal about how Big Name is now not a white male for a quick boost in sales but they don't actually care about representation and will bring back Vanilla Classic as soon as the novelty wears off. That's part of why I think it would be good if Ms. Marvel eventually creates her own superhero name. There's less of a danger of that happening with her and Captain Marvel since they are in fact different titles, in fact I'd say very low, but I also feel like it's a natural continuation of her overall arc that was begun with her dropping the look of Carol and creating her own identity. I don't expect her to ever stop being as friendly as she is, but eventually the novelty of knowing all her heroes should wear off. Edit: On further reflection I guess this isn't a real solution to the problem since it's still displacing the minority character from the inherited title. But at least it would be vacating on her own terms. Viridiant fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Jun 28, 2016 |
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Rhyno posted:Gary Frank used to be excellent, the change happened with Midnight Nation. He drew the bad guys with weird as poo poo mouths and it stuck to his style ever since. He also kind of hosed up the last issue when what's her name showed up after being reborn as a human. She was supposed to be a young teenager but he basically drew her like a porn star.
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I actually think Ms. Marvel is one that will stick. I doubt they're going to backtrack on Carol having the Captain Marvel name, even if they do bring back Mar-Vell for some stupid reason (does anybody actually want that to happen?). There's not going to be some dramatic "I've decided that I'm not a Captain, I'm a Miss" moment, ever. Edit: They may decide to give her another name at some point, though, but not to give Ms. Marvel back to Carol. "Ms." as a superhero name is just kind of lame. Cool Dad fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Jun 28, 2016 |
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No one(by which I mean the mainstream public) cared about Captain Marvel or Miss Marvel until Carol and Kamala, and even geeks mostly know the original as "that guy who got cancer in the seventies". I really doubt there's gonna be a guy nostalgic for all those classic not-death-related Mar-Velle stories that totally exist who's gonna come back and Barry Allen/Hal Jordan him. Plus, Carol is getting the movie. The girl Marvels are definitely safe and from here on Mar-Velle is basically Abin Sur. But really, the problem I'm complaining about is two characters sharing the same name together, because it's a weak token effort and the minority in the situation will never be on the same footing as the original when their still runninga round sharing the title. It's literally a manifestation of "separate but equal".
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TwoPair posted:I don't want to sound cynical, but this was totally inevitable. That's the cycle these things seem to go in, especially these days where movies tend to inform the comics' status quo. Steve Rogers got his youth back (even if he's a secret HYDRA agent) in time for Cap 3 to come out, Jim Gordon lost that robot suit for Bruce to resume being Batman and Superman regained his powers in time for Batman v Superman, and so the Odinson is totally gonna get Mjolnir back in time for Thor: Ragnarok to hit theaters. Ah yes, that highly-oppressed middle-aged white male cop minority group. #BlueLivesMatter
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