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greatn posted:I want a time traveling Bruce Wayne plucked from history the moment before he and his parents go in the alley, to be Robin. He is returned with his memories erased of course... OR IS HE That actually would be a great idea for an Elseworld. Why did DC stopped doing elseworlds again?
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:That actually would be a great idea for an Elseworld. They initially cut down on them to make the ones that did come out more special, and then uh, they just kind of gave up. edit: Wikipedia posted:In August 2003, editor Mike Carlin mentioned that DC had scaled back the production of Elseworlds books in order to "put the luster back on them." Several titles that were announced as Elseworlds books prior to this, such as Superman & Batman: Generations 4 and The Teen Titans Swingin' Elseworlds Special, were cancelled. The planned Teen Titans tale was eventually released in January 2008 as the Teen Titans Lost Annual. redbackground fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jun 28, 2016 |
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Jun 28, 2016 19:00
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:That actually would be a great idea for an Elseworld. DC hates cool and interesting things.
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Jun 28, 2016 19:01
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I also assume there's some kind of "there can only be 52 universes!  " thing going on
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Jun 28, 2016 19:14
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Well drat
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Jun 28, 2016 19:15
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DiDio was completely right when he said that Elseworlds had devolved into "Uhhh what if Superman was a feudal shogun?" and was right to shelve it.
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Jun 28, 2016 19:16
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Thanks as always for the recommendations guys. And yeah. I want more elsewords stuff too WickedHate.
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Jun 28, 2016 19:27
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Toxxupation posted:We Are Robin went with a Gotham Underground arc immediately and I quite like that book, but yeah Batwing always looked real dumb. No I don't mean going on the subway, I mean the plot where there's an entire secret society under Gotham, and Doctor Phosphorous has some secret underground society there and there's another different underground society. Ann Nocenti did it with Catwoman, Lobdell revisited it recently with Red Hood/Arsenal, and Batwing did it for whatever reason. It's pretty much always bad.
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Jun 28, 2016 19:29
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Why did DC stopped doing elseworlds again? Mr Hootington posted:DC hates cool and interesting things. Norns posted:And yeah. I want more elsewords stuff too WickedHate. They just did a year of Elseworlds.  PenguinKnight posted:I also assume there's some kind of "there can only be 52 universes! At the end of Convergence, heroes warped back to the original Crisis and restored the concept of infinite worlds. e: just before that, Multiversity ended saying there's more than this multiverse, which I guess implies the sequel, if we're getting one, will show off a whole set of new stuff. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jun 28, 2016 |
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Jun 28, 2016 19:42
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Teenage Fansub posted:They just did a year of Elseworlds. I haven't a chance to read that yet, but it was still 1 book in what seems forever. I'll be honest I really wanted Booster Gold to do else world multiverse hopping in his book.
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greatn posted:I want a time traveling Bruce Wayne plucked from history the moment before he and his parents go in the alley, to be Robin. He is returned with his memories erased of course... OR IS HE Robin 1,000,000 is the robot equivalent of that to Batman 1,000,000. That was eighteen years ago. Why do I feel so old suddenly?
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Jun 28, 2016 19:50
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American Alien was an Elseworld. Just imagine... Clark Kent met Dick Grayson in daycare!
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Jun 28, 2016 19:50
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Yeah Multiversity is great. I'd still like more elsewords. I absolutely love alternate universe stuff.
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Jun 28, 2016 19:51
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Elseworlds were totally my thing growing up and I remember trying to get my hand on a lot of the Batman stuff. I wish they would still do them, as well as release them as them as annuals like they used to do. They always came across as a lot of fun for writers and artists. Also, for people who love Elseworlds I really recommend checking out Waid's/Augustyn's Citizen Wayne from Legends of the Dark Knight Elseworld Annual.
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It'd be neat if they brought back Gimmick September and it went along with Multiversity Too. e: Especially with double-shipping comics. Either two-parters, or one with the disruption only lasting two weeks. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jun 28, 2016 |
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Jun 28, 2016 20:02
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So I'm in the middle of Batman and Robin Eternal and... Maybe...Jason...Todd...is...a...good...character?
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Jun 28, 2016 21:05
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No, a writer doing a good story with a bad character doesn't make the bad character good. Just means the writer had a good story. See also: Axis Carnage.
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Toxxupation posted:So I'm in the middle of Batman and Robin Eternal and... Nah. Because of Jason the writers had Bruce tell Damian it's cool to go around killing dudes if it's "necessary". Jason ruins everything.
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X-O posted:No, a writer doing a good story with a bad character doesn't make the bad character good. Just means the writer had a good story. See also: Axis Carnage. Is not even a good story.
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Jun 28, 2016 21:10
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Jason is Right about Everything and in a fair and just world he'd never gotten killed and essentially developed into a mix of himself and Tim. Then there'd be no other Robins, ever.
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Jun 28, 2016 21:10
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Is not even a good story. Well that's the best endorsement that the story can probably get around these parts.
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Jun 28, 2016 21:11
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Jason is a garbage boy who belongs in the dumpster
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Jun 28, 2016 21:14
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He tries his best. 
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Is not even a good story.  We've crossed the rubicon goons.
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Jun 28, 2016 21:15
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Batman and Robin Eternal 16 is maybe the most straight-up heroic, empathetic, and decent portrayal of the character that Jason Todd's ever gotten. I mean, I still hate Red Hood and think he's dumb as gently caress but that single issue is a pretty god-damned good Jason Todd story. It also helps that Red Hood is basically best bros with Red Robin this entire series and he's downright likable considering he's "just" a total prick instead of a sociopathic monster.
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Here's a fun question for you guys, maybe Dark_Tzitzimine can answer this. Why is Jason Todd an adult man? He was a teenager when he died - even younger probably in the pre-Flashpoint world. Then he gets rezzed and is a big ol tall adult man suddenly. How come?
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Toxxupation posted:I actually bought the hints of the Tim Drake/Harper relationship they were sorta laying a couple of seeds for before switching to Tim/Stephanie. Which makes sense considering how well Tim and Stephanie work as a couple and balance each other. I really dug the idea of Tim and Harper hooking up when they were kind of pushing their relationship in that direction. This opinion might be influenced by the fact that Bluebird's mask design is the raddest poo poo ever. I think I am the only person on the planet who wanted to see Tim/Cass be A Thing after Snyder set it up in Gates of Gotham. Like, I get they're not going for it in the New 52/Rebirthed universe or whatever it's called now, but I'm mad after Convergence Batgirl ignored that in favour of yet more Tim/Steph shipping.
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Toxxupation posted:It also helps that Red Hood is basically best bros with Red Robin this entire series and he's downright likable considering he's "just" a total prick instead of a sociopathic monster. As bad as RHaTO could be most of the time, he's never really been a monster. He's just an action hero character instead of a traditionally superhero kind.
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Travis343 posted:Here's a fun question for you guys, maybe Dark_Tzitzimine can answer this. Why is Jason Todd an adult man? Inconsistent artists. This is Jason one year and half before the start of the N52  Jason is roughly two years younger than Dick so he's 19~20 years old in the N52 continuity. In the pre Flashpoint continuity he was resurrected nearly immediately after his death so he grew older normally. Toxxupation posted:Batman and Robin Eternal 16 is maybe the most straight-up heroic, empathetic, and decent portrayal of the character that Jason Todd's ever gotten. I mean, I still hate Red Hood and think he's dumb as gently caress but that single issue is a pretty god-damned good Jason Todd story. It also helps that Red Hood is basically best bros with Red Robin this entire series and he's downright likable considering he's "just" a total prick instead of a sociopathic monster. That issue is just a lazy retread of RHATO's issue 18. And by the same token, Jason and Tim being friends is something that goes back to RHATO's issue 8. And even then B&R E takes a pretty shallow approach to Jason's character. Is better than the shitshow that was Eternal though.
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Travis343 posted:Here's a fun question for you guys, maybe Dark_Tzitzimine can answer this. Why is Jason Todd an adult man? Okay, so Jason Todd wasn't technically resurrected, he came back through Superboy Prime punching reality and altering it such that it was if he had never died, which is to say the resultant Jason Todd was the one who would have been in that timeline otherwise. He just happened to wake up in his grave.
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Endless Mike posted:There's actually a reason for this! I mean, if that's the case, I dont think Jason should get to stomp around whining about how Batman let him die and all that. The Jason who became red hood never actually died then.
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But Batman *did* let him die. Those events did occur. In fact, I'm fairly certain Jason actually remembers that since he didn't exist during the time he was dead until he was punched back to life. It's really dumb and you shouldn't think too hard about it, really.
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Didn't they eventually decide to go with a Lazarus pit anyway? Should have done that from the beginning.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Is not even a good story. I can't wrap my head around this post. Someone actually said there was a good Jason Todd story and then you go and say "NAH". I don't get you, man. Travis343 posted:Didn't they eventually decide to go with a Lazarus pit anyway? Should have done that from the beginning. I think they decided to use a Lazarus pit later. Like, it was the reality punch, but there was such a backlash against the whole reality-punch (because it was pretty dumb) that DC started retconning in explanations for the things that the reality-punch did, so he got Lazarus pit-ted.
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Travis343 posted:Didn't they eventually decide to go with a Lazarus pit anyway? Should have done that from the beginning. There was a thing where the League finds him wandering around all confused and eventually he gets Lazarus Pit'ed which IIRC is what restores his memories.
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Not to be too far off track, but has anybody made a "New 52 done right" joke in terms of Rebirth yet? 
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http://www.newsarama.com/29902-dc-s-flintstones-micing-tv-show-fun-with-modern-satire.html What a loving shame that people immediately dismissed the Flintstones book as some kind of mockery on the same level as a porn parody, because the amount of love and care that appears to have gone into this book is a cut above what I'd expect from any of the publishers right now. This looks and sounds great.
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The man called M posted:Not to be too far off track, but has anybody made a "New 52 done right" joke in terms of Rebirth yet? I'm sure they have. Wouldn't be surprised if Didio said it himself.
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Travis343 posted:Didn't they eventually decide to go with a Lazarus pit anyway? Should have done that from the beginning. I think that is how the addressed it in the animated movie based on Under the Hood.
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TwoPair posted:I can't wrap my head around this post. Someone actually said there was a good Jason Todd story and then you go and say "NAH". I don't get you, man. B&R Eternal is mediocre at best.  quote:I think they decided to use a Lazarus pit later. Like, it was the reality punch, but there was such a backlash against the whole reality-punch (because it was pretty dumb) that DC started retconning in explanations for the things that the reality-punch did, so he got Lazarus pit-ted. Is both actually. In the pre Flashpoint DCU Jason was resurrected by the reality-punch but since he was resurrected in the same state he died, he had massive cerebral damage that was only fixed until he was dropped in the Lazarus Pit. In the N52 originally was believed that he was resurrected simply by the Lazarus Pit, however, his Secret Origins issue revealed he actually was resurrected by unknowns means and he was pretty much a husk until Talia dropped him in the Pit. The whole sequence was drawn in a clear callback to the reality punch so it might still hold for the N52/Rebirth Jason. Only in the animated movie he has been resurrected by the Pit.
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