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Arglebargle III posted:I understand not wanting a drive through in a nice neighborhood. Cars are the bane of urban planning and strip malls follow in their wake, like the sea of mud churned up by a plague of cows falling from the sky. I do not believe that there is any part of inhabited Kansas that does not bask in the glory of strip malls.
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Once you've got Starbucks franchises, there's no stopping the illness, I'm afraid. gently caress Starbucks and their garbage-rear end expensive coffee.
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Jun 28, 2016 04:32
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For the record, the Starbucks in question is located in a shopping center that is basically already a series of strip malls. 
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Jun 28, 2016 04:36
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JerryLee posted:For the record, the Starbucks in question is located in a shopping center that is basically already a series of strip malls. Launch the nukes.
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Jun 28, 2016 04:53
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JerryLee posted:For the record, the Starbucks in question is located in a shopping center that is basically already a series of strip malls. Though there's a DriveThru Starbucks in LA that's basically just enough room for the Batistas, two people ordering inside, and like 4 people outside. It's a tiny thing geared almost entirely for cars.
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Jun 28, 2016 06:24
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Really anything that tries to get built or change in that section of JoCo always ends up being a hassle. That Starbucks is right outside of Mission Hills (a "city" where the average house hold income is 200,000) and if any sort of traffic or outside vehicles start coming through the area it raises all sorts of red flags. I live at the base of Mission Hills and I see cop cars straight up pull over vehicles with Missouri license plates and harass them until they leave -- I've also seen them straight up round up the homeless near that Starbucks and drive them across state lines. I also had a brother in law who was flat out drunk but the police let him go home instead of getting a DUI since he had the right address on his drivers license. Strange and scary stuff.
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Jun 28, 2016 06:57
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PT6A posted:Once you've got Starbucks franchises, there's no stopping the illness, I'm afraid. It's not about getting a new Starbucks, it was about allowing the existing Starbucks to move across the street.
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Jun 28, 2016 14:56
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Arglebargle III posted:I understand not wanting a drive through in a nice neighborhood. Cars are the bane of urban planning and strip malls follow in their wake, like the sea of mud churned up by a plague of cows falling from the sky. But that place ain't a nice "neighborhood". Here's a google street view so you can look around there: https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...6301606!6m1!1e1 It's a complex of strip malls, gas stations, and small ugly office and bank buildings. And surrounding it all is bland suburbia that you would only consider "nice" if you just moved here from war torn Syria or something.
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Jun 28, 2016 15:04
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I wish Trump would build a wall around Kansas
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fishmech posted:It's a complex of strip malls, gas stations, and small ugly office and bank buildings. And surrounding it all is bland suburbia that you would only consider "nice" if you just moved here from war torn Syria or something. You just described literally all of Kansas (and basically all of the American flyover country) in this statement. You can point at any city in the state with more than 2000 people in it and the sentence holds true there. https://www.google.com/maps/@38.209022,-98.2068358,3a,75y,4.43h,74.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqY3XkiGOX_CTqOM_PP9CWQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
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Ripoff posted:I agree with Fishmech. With not a hint of irony.
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Presto posted:Speaking as someone from PA I was going to say State College wasn't so bad, but then I remembered the Joe Paterno statue still exists. So yeah, burn it all down. What? I thought they tore that poo poo down Saddam Hussein style a few days after the news broke. Did they loving put it back up?
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Kristov posted:What? I thought they tore that poo poo down Saddam Hussein style a few days after the news broke. Did they loving put it back up? According to the Wiki (  )they tore it down.
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Jun 28, 2016 20:13
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They stashed it in some library closet or something a few days after the Sandusky stuff first broke, dunno if it's still there.
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If that's the Starbucks in the Corinth area yeah they like their peace and quiet. I like that area but the people are a little resistant to change there for sure.
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I'm willing to just squint and see the silver lining of Midwesterners actually favoring a walkable community. Semi-related but I was gone from Austin for seven years and just moved back and there are bike lanes, including a few fully-detached/curbed lanes, simply everywhere now. Now I want DC to just start barring quiet cross-streets off to any traffic that doesn't have to park on that block, maybe will automatic dropping bollards like in Slovenia.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:I'm willing to just squint and see the silver lining of Midwesterners actually favoring a walkable community. The walkable community of a giant parking lot and strip mall complex that you have to drive to because there are barely even sidewalks connecting it to anything else.
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effectual posted:They stashed it in some library closet or something a few days after the Sandusky stuff first broke, dunno if it's still there.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:31
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It's funny because the walkability basically depends on which side of Mission Road you're on, and correlates pretty strongly with how henry_guillotine.gif the area is. On the western side, which is the relatively lower class area (still all comfortable white middle class, don't get me wrong) you have sidewalks on most of the residential streets. There's also sidewalks up and down Mission Road itself. Go east from Prairie Village and you get right up into the hills where you have much fancier homes, and few if any sidewalks.
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JerryLee posted:It's funny because the walkability basically depends on which side of Mission Road you're on, and correlates pretty strongly with how henry_guillotine.gif the area is. On the western side, which is the relatively lower class area (still all comfortable white middle class, don't get me wrong) you have sidewalks on most of the residential streets. There's also sidewalks up and down Mission Road itself. Yeah, for those not in the know that area east of Prairie Village is called Mission Hills, which, according to Wikipedia, is the 3rd wealthiest municipality in the country. How that ended up being in Kansas of all places is anyone's guess, but there it is!
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JerryLee posted:It's funny because the walkability basically depends on which side of Mission Road you're on, and correlates pretty strongly with how henry_guillotine.gif the area is. On the western side, which is the relatively lower class area (still all comfortable white middle class, don't get me wrong) you have sidewalks on most of the residential streets. There's also sidewalks up and down Mission Road itself. Kinda like Wichita's walkability. Are you in "Bill Warren's Old Town?" Then yes, it's walkable, otherwise  I do wonder if they ever managed to make their Water Walk, like they've been trying to do for at least 10 years, despite the fact that there's nothing else around that would support that kind of tourist area.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Yeah, for those not in the know that area east of Prairie Village is called Mission Hills, which, according to Wikipedia, is the 3rd wealthiest municipality in the country. How that ended up being in Kansas of all places is anyone's guess, but there it is! Kansas City has a shocking number of fairly major corporate headquarters there considering the population/size compared to other major metros (off the top of my head, Sprint, H&R Block, Honeywell, Garmin, Hostess pre-bankrupcy/buyout among others keeps headquarters there). All those CEOs have to live somewhere, may as well have a quantum rich rear end in a top hat singularity somewhere.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Yeah, for those not in the know that area east of Prairie Village is called Mission Hills, which, according to Wikipedia, is the 3rd wealthiest municipality in the country. How that ended up being in Kansas of all places is anyone's guess, but there it is! That area on both sides of the state line is pretty loving ridiculous as far as money goes. Even if there are sidewalks I don't think walkability is much of a factor anywhere on the Kansas side of the state line unless you live in old downtown Overland Park or something. fishmech posted:And surrounding it all is bland suburbia that you would only consider "nice" if you just moved here from war torn Syria or something. Dude, they loving love their subdivisions full of the same houses that are all one of 4 colors. Keeping out "those types" and maintaining their property values while trying to have slightly better things than their neighbors are what their lives revolve around.
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DeathSandwich posted:Kansas City has a shocking number of fairly major corporate headquarters there considering the population/size compared to other major metros (off the top of my head, Sprint, H&R Block, Honeywell, Garmin, Hostess pre-bankrupcy/buyout among others keeps headquarters there). All those CEOs have to live somewhere, may as well have a quantum rich rear end in a top hat singularity somewhere. I'm curious how this works, where you lower corporate taxes so that corporations will headquarter in your state. Delaware isn't doing well, is it?
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Halloween Jack posted:Does that have anything to do with the Brownback tax policies, or have they been there for years? No they're definitely been there for a while, I don't think any major company has actually moved work into Kansas because of the tax breaks, or period really.
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Halloween Jack posted:Does that have anything to do with the Brownback tax policies, or have they been there for years? This is from before Brownback. Kansas City has some of the highest concentration of Engineers and engineering firms per capita in the country: http://ingrams.com/archive/Nov_2011/ImagesandArticles/IndustryOutlook/IO2.html Edit: Alternate source: http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/reports/2006/8/metropolitanpolicy-vey/20060831_kansasassessment.pdf quote:Key Findings: DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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I seem to remember being told at one point when I lived in Missouri that Kansas City used to be a pretty major transit hub back when most of the shipping was being done by train, so that might have something to do with it.
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Well, I might take a plane; I might take a train But if I have to walk, I'm going just the same I'm going to Kansas City Kansas City here I come They got some crazy little [politicians] there and I'm gonna get me one
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Wanderer posted:I seem to remember being told at one point when I lived in Missouri that Kansas City used to be a pretty major transit hub back when most of the shipping was being done by train, so that might have something to do with it. I can't speak for KC, but Wichita was a major cattle stop. Then they doubled down on being "The Air Capitol," I read an article once that contained a massive list of all the aircraft companies that went out of business right before WWII broke out. Of course they still want to be the Air Capitol, but anyone who's been there lately can see how putting all their eggs in one basket is a bad idea. It's getting to Midwest Detroit, I can't imagine how bad it is these days with Brownback's garbage.
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Wanderer posted:I seem to remember being told at one point when I lived in Missouri that Kansas City used to be a pretty major transit hub back when most of the shipping was being done by train, so that might have something to do with it. Yes, this is because of the cattle trade that used to run from the South and West into Kansas City. From there it would make it's way into the rest of the Country. Kansas City isn't nearly as important as it used to think it was, and many major companies have their headquarters there from back when KC was a place to be.
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On the flipside it's become quite the startup tech area. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-grill/kansas-citys-downtown-bec_b_4192653.html fknlo posted:Dude, they loving love their subdivisions full of the same houses that are all one of 4 colors. Keeping out "those types" and maintaining their property values while trying to have slightly better things than their neighbors are what their lives revolve around. Whatever keeps Missouri trash out is p cool.
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As if we don't have the exact same poo poo on the Missouri side.
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Wanderer posted:I seem to remember being told at one point when I lived in Missouri that Kansas City used to be a pretty major transit hub back when most of the shipping was being done by train, so that might have something to do with it. Most really long distance stuff is still done by rail, usually with trucks moving it on either end. But the big reason Kansas City was important for that is that it was a point where a lot of different rail companies had a terminus, and there was plenty to be done in transferring between them. These days, most of those have merged into other companies, and there's simply a whole lot less that needs to be transferred around in KC. St Louis was similarly an important transfer point int he past that got more or less obsoleted. Both those cities now mostly see stuff just passing through.
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kiimo posted:On the flipside it's become quite the startup tech area.
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Iron Crowned posted:I can't speak for KC, but Wichita was a major cattle stop. Then they doubled down on being "The Air Capitol," I read an article once that contained a massive list of all the aircraft companies that went out of business right before WWII broke out. Of course they still want to be the Air Capitol, but anyone who's been there lately can see how putting all their eggs in one basket is a bad idea. It's getting to Midwest Detroit, I can't imagine how bad it is these days with Brownback's garbage.
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Gail Wynand posted:Kansas City is a startup hub, says Kansas City booster. There's one of these articles for every random city out there, I saw one about Des Moines recently. Yeah I heard that too. Lincoln as well. Silicon Prairie is what they're calling it. No idea if true or not. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/silicon-prairie-great-plains-midwest-startup-tech-companies-entrepreneurs/
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kiimo posted:Yeah I heard that too. Lincoln as well. Silicon Prairie is what they're calling it. No idea if true or not. Places that actually have a major startup environment besides the normal level you'd expect to see with any largish population center and a big university, they don't feel the need to call themselves the "silicon whatever". They earn their own name or don't even need one - New York City and the surrounding area is full of startups, tech and otherwise, but you don't see it getting a special name. Really, given how the cities mentioned tend to be major regional centers for other industry and education, as far as that goes, it 'd be more surprising if they didn't have a bunch of startups around.
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fishmech posted:Places that actually have a major startup environment besides the normal level you'd expect to see with any largish population center and a big university, they don't feel the need to call themselves the "silicon whatever". They earn their own name or don't even need one - New York City and the surrounding area is full of startups, tech and otherwise, but you don't see it getting a special name.
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Gail Wynand posted:Never heard of Silicon Alley? The Silicon stuff cracks me up. There's an entire Wikipedia article, with some really funny ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_with_%22Silicon%22_names#United_States Silicon Sandbar might be my favorite, for pure dumbness, but it looks like you midwesterners are fighting Dallas and Chicago for your prairie nickname. GL with that!
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Gail Wynand posted:Never heard of Silicon Alley? Which one are you talking about? I've heard that name used for Atlanta, Chicago, and Phoenix.
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