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Anime Schoolgirl posted:I volunteer myself because I killed a 290 I was also undervolting the gently caress out of I'm going to ask again, How Is This A Thing. Is there some additional performance I'm missing out on threatening my electronics with constant doom from a nudged container of liquid? How are people setup in a way that their tower is either close enough or coffee cup height? Do you also vape or exhale your cigar smoke into the case fans?
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FaustianQ posted:I'm going to ask again, How Is This A Thing. Is there some additional performance I'm missing out on threatening my electronics with constant doom from a nudged container of liquid? How are people setup in a way that their tower is either close enough or coffee cup height? Do you also vape or exhale your cigar smoke into the case fans? gently caress presentation, it's never worth it
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Jun 29, 2016 18:06
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FaustianQ posted:I'm going to ask again, How Is This A Thing. Is there some additional performance I'm missing out on threatening my electronics with constant doom from a nudged container of liquid? How are people setup in a way that their tower is either close enough or coffee cup height? Do you also vape or exhale your cigar smoke into the case fans? Sometimes you just gotta pour a little espresso into an intake fan to help your PC perk up in the morning.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:07
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:TSMC has apocalyptic yields right now according to Taiwanese sites. Everything is bad If GloFo can make chips that work fine with a downclock to stuff in laptops with laptop performance expectations (if.) and make good numbers of cards then going with them isn't really a wrong call even if they're inefficient at higher clocks. Because let's be honest here, most of us are horrified by that number more because it bodes seriously ill for how much performance they can fit in 300W than because this card uses a bit more power to deliver a decent amount of power for its price point.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:08
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repiv posted:NDA is up. Ah, drat, this was the only part I was hoping to be stellar. 970 level at ~100W would have been amazing, but oh well, that's what I get.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:10
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xthetenth posted:If GloFo can make chips that work fine with a downclock to stuff in laptops with laptop performance expectations (if.) and make good numbers of cards then going with them isn't really a wrong call even if they're inefficient at higher clocks. Because let's be honest here, most of us are horrified by that number more because it bodes seriously ill for how much performance they can fit in 300W than because this card uses a bit more power to deliver a decent amount of power for its price point. 
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Jun 29, 2016 18:12
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I just realized how vindicated Intel must feel right now about their fab trouble considering what's going on at other fabs.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:12
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xthetenth posted:I just realized how vindicated Intel must feel right now about their fab trouble considering what's going on at other fabs. Followed by ritual layoff lotteries
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Jun 29, 2016 18:13
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Giving each other pats in the back and circlejerks for increasing Broadwell-E and EP's price relative to comparable Haswell SKUs while also slightly backsliding in performance for half of their SKUs and leaving even less headroom for the suckers who bought HEDT. Ugh don't get me started. I'm so loving done with pc gaming if I have to dehumanize myself and face to that for both CPU and GPU.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:19
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Xae posted:How bad are they? Best public pricing information on 14/16nm I'm aware of:  As far as where the yields maybe could be right now I wouldn't even guess. FWIW as a comparison: I remember hearing rumors of AMD's Bulldozer having yields of 40% (usable dies, no idea on bins) when it was originally launched years ago which were considered terrible for a high volume shipping product. The GPU biz could have a very different definition of what would be considered "terrible" though. Especially when launching on a new process. For all I know they really could be getting single digit percent yields and be OK with that....so long as yields improve rapidly per batch. If they go from single digit yields to 90%+ in a month or 2 they might care at all. Single digit yields are usually a indicator of a big process or design issue though so such a situation would probably be pretty unlikely. edit: \/\/\/\/\/ Rumors is all we have at this point but it is the sort of thing TSMC would not admit to for as long as possible. Yields are something they really don't talk about anyways either. Historically TSMC has generally promised quite a bit but fallen short of its marks since at least the 90nm era when it comes to stuff like process performance and availability dates so I'm fairly cynical about anything they say. PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Jun 29, 2016 18:19
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Any reputable sources showing that there are yield issues at TSMC? When I google it I just see a bunch of conflicting rumors.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:21
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xthetenth posted:Ugh don't get me started. I'm so loving done with pc gaming if I have to dehumanize myself and face to that for both CPU and GPU.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:24
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MaxxBot posted:Any reputable sources showing that there are yield issues at TSMC? When I google it I just see a bunch of conflicting rumors. The fact that AMD was able to drop more product to retailers in a week than Nvidia has in a couple of months (?) speaks to something being hosed in Nvidia land.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:25
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FaustianQ posted:Even a 390X with 1100Mhz clock soundly beats the RX480, drop the voltage and clocks so the 390X matches the RX480 performance and the efficiency gain on the new node is laughable. This is a good strategy if only wafers would be free.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:25
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Xae posted:The fact that AMD was able to drop more product to retailers in a week than Nvidia has in a couple of months (?) speaks to something being hosed in Nvidia land. To be fair the AMD dies are smaller, which gives an exponential payoff in usable chips/wafer.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:26
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Xae posted:The fact that AMD was able to drop more product to retailers in a week than Nvidia has in a couple of months (?) speaks to something being hosed in Nvidia land. Availability is poor for Nvidia yes but... months? lol
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Jun 29, 2016 18:27
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It's really more probable that Nvidia officially launched the cards the [sub-month unit of time] they got working samples, nevermind concurrent production capacity at all, so you're looking at month-and-a-half old silicon at most. Smell the freshness
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Jun 29, 2016 18:29
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I guarantee you its going to be worse after today too
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Jun 29, 2016 18:30
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Don't worry! The 1080 has the highest production rampup of any hardware launch ever!* going from 100 units to 500 in a month *in percentage points
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Jun 29, 2016 18:31
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:Availability is poor for Nvidia yes but... months? lol The "Launch Event" for the 1070 and 1080 was May 6th. And they had said it was already being produced. So yes. In one week AMD created more product than Nvidia has in two months.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:31
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Skuto posted:To be fair the AMD dies are smaller, which gives an exponential payoff in usable chips/wafer. The 1070 being a big ol crop chip should help balance that out vs only whole die 480s, no?
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Jun 29, 2016 18:33
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:I guarantee you its going to be worse after today too Yeah, people are going to stretch to 1070s. Rough place for AMD, I bet there's not much margin on these parts already.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:33
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xthetenth posted:The 1070 being a big ol crop chip should help balance that out vs only whole die 480s, no? What I wonder is what they'll do to the thousands upon thousands of runts that don't make it, and it's sort of why I'm any bit optimistic for the 1060, since it might have the higher bus and ROP count and other good things of GP104.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:35
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GTX 1080 vs GTX 980 1607 / 1126 = 43% clock speed gain from 28nm -> 16nm RX 480 vs R9 390 1266 / 1000 / = 26% clock speed gain from 28nm -> 14nm The architectural improvements in the RX 480 are for the most part are not in the shader core, so there's no shader IPC to win. fp16 support isn't used enough to lose clockspeed over, and I can't remember my shaders running out of instruction cache (but maybe that says more about my shaders). This is supported by the GFLOP number not corresponding to any real world perf increase. We can't tell if it's AMD's design process, or GloFo/Samsung, but this was never gonna be a winner as soon as the relative clock-speeds were announced.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:37
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xthetenth posted:The 1070 being a big ol crop chip should help balance that out vs only whole die 480s, no? The 470 is supposed to be a cropped 480 isn't it?
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Jun 29, 2016 18:37
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xthetenth posted:The 1070 being a big ol crop chip should help balance that out vs only whole die 480s, no? Now if they can actually fuse off enough dead parts of a die from a failed 1080 or 1070 and sell it as a 1060 salvage part that would probably be a big deal. At least during these early initial launch months if 1080 yields are truly poo poo. In the long run its probably much better to have a dedicated 1060 die that is much smaller and so yields a whole lot better per wafer.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:37
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:
That's exactly what they're doing with the two models of GP100 Teslas, although that's probably down more to the HBM stack than the memory controller on the chip itself getting harvested.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:39
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The 560ti-448 and 660ti were limited-run items that were really good for the value. Nvidia could make a cool card-to-have out of those things, if they don't just decide to chuck them to OEMs as laptop chips and jack up the price, which is what I'm worried about.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:39
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xthetenth posted:The 1070 being a big ol crop chip should help balance that out vs only whole die 480s, no? Yes, which is why the GTX 1070 is easier to actually get despite being launched later. That doesn't change the GTX 1080 vs RX 480 situation, though.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:41
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Xae posted:The "Launch Event" for the 1070 and 1080 was May 6th. And they had said it was already being produced. But during that launch event, the actual launch dates were released which is the only dates that matter, nobody there implied that the cards were for sale on May 6th. The 1070 launch was on the 11th, AIB dates were the 13th, which is the best case scenario, and the 1080 was ~beginning of June I don't actually remember and that is the worst case since their availability has been notably lower overall. But regardless, AMD definitely released with real stock, since there are still some available for sale. Despite all the  about it, there would be plenty of people buying these the moment they released to indicate stock issues.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:41
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:But during that launch event, the actual launch dates were released which is the only dates that matter "Launch dates" on which no one was actually able to obtain the card...are not launch dates.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:43
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Xae posted:The fact that AMD was able to drop more product to retailers in a week than Nvidia has in a couple of months (?) speaks to something being hosed in Nvidia land. Or they're selling really, really well. Probably both. I suppose it's much too early for any sales numbers?
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Jun 29, 2016 18:44
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Skuto posted:"Launch dates" on which no one was actually able to obtain the card...are not launch dates. There were at least 20 for sale (my point was its already bad, no need to exaggerate. we are a month in) penus penus penus fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Jun 29, 2016 18:44
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Phlegmish posted:Or they're selling really, really well. Probably both. I suppose it's much too early for any sales numbers?
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Jun 29, 2016 18:45
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Naffer posted:The 470 is supposed to be a cropped 480 isn't it? It is but it's also irrelevant to the stock of 480 vs stock of 1080 + 1070 comparison, where even with the 1070 added in supply isn't amazing. Although the 470 might be really good price perf for those who get their wattage savings from sensible places.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:46
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Man, some of this "sky is falling" nonsense is having me question whether or not we're on /g/ right now... RX 480 looks like a decent upgrade from my GTX 760, and I'll get to use freesync. It'd literally cost me double to go with nvidia's route, considering only the GSync tax, and assuming nVidia had a 200 dollar card out right now for this performance. Seems like a reasonable choice, though definitely not the GTX 980 killer people were hyping.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:48
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PerrineClostermann posted:Man, some of this "sky is falling" nonsense is having me question whether or not we're on /g/ right now... If you thought 4chan was bad, read r/amd/ THE DOG HOUSE posted:I agree with the performance... mostly (regular AIB 970 performance would be better). The rabble rabble is focused mostly on the how its doing it though, which is ... not inspiring. Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Jun 29, 2016 18:49
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PerrineClostermann posted:Man, some of this "sky is falling" nonsense is having me question whether or not we're on /g/ right now... I agree with the performance... mostly (regular AIB 970 performance would be better). The rabble rabble is focused mostly on the how its doing it though, which is ... not inspiring.
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PerrineClostermann posted:Man, some of this "sky is falling" nonsense is having me question whether or not we're on /g/ right now... Yeah, but what about my unrealistic and ignorant expectations? I had so many and sold my 980ti in anticipation of this what about me, huh? How could AMD LIE LIKE THIS
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