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Just had a look at euro 2012. Great performance especially against Sweden when we came from 2-1 down to win 3-2! Beginning to think its coming home - IF we can get Andy Carroll on the plane again.
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Breath Ray posted:This tournament proves that with organisation and team spirit a team can get pretty far with championship players. I think maybe we brought too many flair players along when you just need a couple. Mark Noble to lead the line in the world cup qualifiers this autumn. The championships a hard league and you need guts and hard work to get anywhere in there and the level isn't especially worse than the bottom half of the premier league so it's not surprising to be honest.
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https://twitter.com/LinoTreize/status/747790389898321920
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England's football centre is in the midlands, so they would probably want a manager from the midlands. So that leaves Big Sam and Sean Dyche.
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Jun 29, 2016 13:53
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what was he even trying to do with that free kick? smh
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Jun 29, 2016 13:55
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The ronaldo thing and it worked because ronaldo never scores free kicks either
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Breath Ray posted:The ronaldo thing and it worked because ronaldo never scores free kicks either 40 yards out? i, harry Kane, will do a side foot kuckleball free kick that ronaldo, a much better footballer, did successfully one time
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Jun 29, 2016 14:15
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oh look it's gone out for a throw
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Nice Freudian slip matey! Got something on your mind much? Wife seem cold, distant, acting suspiciously? Talk to me
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Breath Ray posted:Nice Freudian slip matey! Got something on your mind much? Wife seem cold, distant, acting suspiciously? Talk to me haha wife distant? i wish! am I right
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Jun 29, 2016 14:19
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England fans were not nice to their players, not nice to fans of other countries, and not nice to the host cities. Maybe they should adjust their attitudes and the team would do better. No one is going to play well if their own supporters are ready to get on their backs. Also, Phil McNulty of the BBC also wrote this "who goes and who stays" article that I think is incredibly misguided: http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36655089 There are so many glib statements that certain players have to stay without real justification, especially with Rooney. Why not use Rooney as an impact substitute instead of trying to fit him into the midfield? He still has something to offer but it's not as a playmaking midfielder. It's almost like Perez interfering with Real Madrid. Do people in the FA play a similarly intrusive and unconstructive role?
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Jun 29, 2016 14:40
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Rooney is just about the player least suited to being an impact sub that I can imagine.
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Brony Car posted:England fans were not nice to their players, not nice to fans of other countries, and not nice to the host cities. Maybe they should adjust their attitudes and the team would do better. No one is going to play well if their own supporters are ready to get on their backs. There was no trouble once Russia left the tournament. England fans are blameless.
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Pissflaps posted:There was no trouble once Russia left the tournament. Let's not whitewash their crimes. They did cheer for England after all.
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Breath Ray posted:This tournament proves that with organisation and team spirit a team can get pretty far with championship players. I think maybe we brought too many flair players along when you just need a couple. Mark Noble to lead the line in the world cup qualifiers this autumn. Lump it forward and defend for 90 minutes is a tried and true strategy. Not even half-joking that Allardyce would be a good England manager. The problem is England thinks it's better than this sort of tactic and it's not.
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peanut- posted:Rooney is just about the player least suited to being an impact sub that I can imagine. Why do you say that? I think it'd be the best way to take advantage of his scoring abilities and avoid the problems that come with his shaky fitness/stamina. Having him plug away in the midfield is a waste. Vegetable posted:Are you kidding, England had like a single flair player (Sterling). Everybody else were fairly conventional forwards and midfielders. You're not wrong, but that tactic does start falling apart when you face another team that is happy to sit back and lump while you're the team that needs all the points. There are going to be plenty of "weaker" teams who will set up that way against England so you have to have some ability to impose a game on the other side. Brony Car fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Vegetable posted:Are you kidding, England had like a single flair player (Sterling). Everybody else were fairly conventional forwards and midfielders. I would argue that sterling, alli, sturridge and Wilshire are flair players ie without being able to dribble or anything they do needless back heels and hog the ball before releasing in desperation. Beckham and Gerrard and lampard never tried to beat their man they just passed/crossed it asap iirc
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Brony Car posted:Why do you say that? I think it'd be the best way to take advantage of his scoring abilities and avoid the problems that come with his shaky fitness/stamina. Having him plug away in the midfield is a waste. What impact does he have? I don't think he's terrible, but what part of his skill set is better suited to coming on in the 70th minute rather than starting? No knackered defender or midfielder is going to be dismayed to see Rooney being subbed on. If he can't play for 90 minutes then have him be a player that starts and gets subbed later.
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#tekkers
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England Euro 2016: kuckleball
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According to me mam big sam is to common for the fa to consider
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According to NPR, Iceland were extra motivated because of how their country was treated when their economy melted down in 2008. Just an FYI for future reference.
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peanut- posted:But the point is there isn't some magic formation or manager that will solve the issue. They've all been tried, and none of them address the fundamental problem: England melt down the moment there is a shred of pressure. Hodgson is experienced even if he's not the greatest, he knows how to make basic tactical changes when his winger and his fullback are disrupting each other. England's players know how to show themselves for passes, play 1-2s and move the ball quickly in the face of massed defense. None of these players loft floating balls at the far post for their clubs. I've been saying similar things for a decade (I don't actually know what I'd do if England were good and won games, I guess I'd have to get a hobby). The whole thing is built on a bedrock of cunts, and if I was Rooney I'd be falling over myself to retire from international football and to spend my summers Yeah, gently caress it, I'll at least get a laugh out of watching Allardyce tell people to piss off.
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All of the media and pundits and fans are putting the boot in now about the madness of playing Rooney in midfield and having too many big names in the side rather than building a balanced team. Conversely they are also all of the troglodytes who would lose their poo poo if Hodgson didn't play all of those big name players in favour of a more balanced side. To be fair to him, he tried to build England more like a club side with a core of players who knew their jobs for England and then bringing in a few form players into it as necessary, but he lost his nerve and he ended up playing all of the strikers at the same time so as not to get shouted at by half the country for not playing one of the strikers who might have done a miracle thing. GG and every other Italian can't figure out why Insigne doesn't get any playing time or why Motta is on the field, and it's because Conte seems to have a loving clue about building a team and a plan that's working and the balls to tell Italians to go gently caress themselves and let him get on with it.
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Lenin Riefenstahl posted:GG and every other Italian can't figure out why Insigne doesn't get any playing time or why Motta is on the field, and it's because Conte seems to have a loving clue about building a team and a plan that's working and the balls to tell Italians to go gently caress themselves and let him get on with it. This is true, and hell, I don't mind.
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i don't think there was anyone anywhere who wanted rooney to start in midfield or wilshere be taken maybe try an entirely english uncapped team with everyone else in the england setup be new so the fear that infects the place is gone because everyone who suffered it is. it will go as well as maradona having argentina play in la paz with no time to adapt but gently caress it or slip them valium is it even on drug checks?
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peanut- posted:Rooney is just about the player least suited to being an impact sub that I can imagine. Bet he can smash home a Subway like no one's business. Brony Car posted:Also, Phil McNulty of the BBC also wrote this "who goes and who stays" article that I think is incredibly misguided: The first two names in "Remain" are the first two names who should be gone, so I didn't read the rest. Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Jun 29, 2016 20:02
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lol if you think a single english poster here wanted rooney anywhere near the team
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Josuke Higashikata posted:
who the gently caress wrote this garbage
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All of the pundits and newspapers would have had a go at Hodgson if he didn't find space for Rooney. As would the fa and the me. potato people and he couldn't take it because he's a frail old man.
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RideTheSpiral posted:lol if you think a single english poster here wanted rooney anywhere near the team I did, and I'm an important poster here on these only troll-free football forums He wasn't great during the tournament, and hasn't been for a while, but every time Hodgson put together a team without him they looked worse, less dynamic and less creative Before calling for England's only creative outlet to be dropped for good, consider that the player he's keeping out of the team is not Iniesta or Pirlo, but is in fact James Milner
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RideTheSpiral posted:who the gently caress wrote this garbage Me or Phil McNulty depending on what you're referring to.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:I did, and I'm an important poster here on these only troll-free football forums He didn't play in the friendly vs Germany and we looked better for it
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I remember watching Joe Hart singing the national anthem before the match, and it scared me. There was an underlying insecurity to his whole performance. He has probably seen Italy play and tried his best to copy Buffon and the rest who sing their national anthem with heart and sincerity as a team but here was a man who was putting on a show. He tried to make himself seem tougher than he really was, like he wasn't afraid. He didn't fool me though and I proclaimed, in the bedroom, that a "Hart fart" was likely. Alas, I was right.
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It's coming home.
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CityMidnightJunky posted:I've never really understood why manager's are not bound by the same nationality rules as players. Getting Guss Hiddink to manage your national team (which I think every country has done at this point) seems to me fundamentally no different than Israel getting Messi to play for them, yet it's allowed. It's bonkers. Yeah, teams like South Korea would be even shittier because there aren't any good South Korean Managers, but isn't that the whole point of Internationals? Wenger qualifies under all those rules. He's coming in, he will bench Wilshere forever, it's coming home.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:Before calling for England's only creative outlet to be dropped for good, consider that the player he's keeping out of the team is not Iniesta or Pirlo, but is in fact James Milner Actually, Hamas Milner had the most assists of any English player in 2016. There's some advanced stats for you, no need to thank me.
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I think it's fair to say Roy Hodgson made many mistakes regarding team selection, tactics and 'football fitness'. Also team cohesion, psychology and match preparation. Sorry for the truth bombs but it must be said.
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:According to me mam big sam is to common for the fa to consider Take my Juergen, please. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jurgen-klinsmann-england-job-comes-055708047.html
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