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Trees and Squids posted:I was actually shocked by this and was going to mention it as well. Good job Hal! They're coherent, but still based on mistruths and nonsense, so it wasn't all that surprising.
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Baronjutter posted:I've seen a lot of videos where situations escalate out of hand for seemingly no reason and this is about 90% of it. On top of that, these contradictory orders are usually being yelled at people who are also being punched, kicked, beaten with night clubs, pepper sprayed and tazed. Maybe we need to start teaching kids how to lie perfectly still while enduring massive amounts of physical abuse in PE class in order to lessen the chance that they might get murdered by a cop because they couldn't override their instinct to stop someone from repeatedly punching them in the face for no god damned reason. EvilJoven fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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EvilJoven posted:On top of that, these contradictory orders are usually being yelled at people who are also being punched, kicked, beaten with night clubs, pepper sprayed and tazed. Laying perfectly still is passive resistance and a form of resisting arrest. STOP RESISTING.
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Baronjutter posted:Laying perfectly still is passive resistance and a form of resisting arrest. STOP RESISTING. I thought P-Value Hack was Swagger's new alt.
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DariusLikewise posted:Reminder that the Winnipeg Police bought these two loving things due to the constant threat of terrorism and there was actual public support for both. Just so everyone knows the one of the main justifications for the chopper was to "find lost old people in a forest"
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gently caress that. That's what CASARA is for.
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Police helicopters are fine, I don't know why you'd have a problem with them. It's not like it's a goddamn Apache.
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PT6A posted:Police helicopters are fine, I don't know why you'd have a problem with them. It's not like it's a goddamn Apache. Because it literally just circles the city at night broadcasting conversations about blowjobs? For 400 thousand dollars?
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PT6A posted:Police helicopters are fine, I don't know why you'd have a problem with them. It's not like it's a goddamn Apache. I'd be more comfortable with the Winnipeg police service owing a helicopter if the police forces in the prairies didn't have a track record of abandoning drunk First Nations people in remote areas.
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Furnaceface posted:The bolded part of this is very important to moving forward in fixing things. Part of it is the type of people modern policing draws in (its basically military-lite only you dont have to go melt in a foreign desert to shoot people). A bigger part of it though is that our police force is unable to deal with their own mental illness and we expect them to be able to handle others acting in an equally irrational manner. How can we expect them to help other seek treatment when they cant even seek help themselves? Police culture is toxic and still very oldschool. Also attracts the kind of person who is very comfortable with the fact that they will never be held accountable for their fuckups no matter how violent or dangerous.
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Maybe if they gave it a paint job more along the lines with a police car and less like they are sneaking in operatives into a foreign country at night people would see it as less stupid. But I guess that wouldn't play into their delusional military fantasies.
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^^^ It's black with some kind of a crest on it... exactly like a police car! I think you're really reaching here.Whiskey Sours posted:I'd be more comfortable with the Winnipeg police service owing a helicopter if the police forces in the prairies didn't have a track record of abandoning drunk First Nations people in remote areas. That's a bit of a non-sequitur, don't you think? Do you think they're going to fly drunk First Nations people and abandon them in remote areas? The sheer logistics involved would be ridiculous for something that can so easily be done with a car. DariusLikewise posted:Because it literally just circles the city at night broadcasting conversations about blowjobs? For 400 thousand dollars? It doesn't need to be flying all the time, you know.
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PT6A posted:The sheer logistics involved would be ridiculous for something that can so easily be done with a car.
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Note I'm not saying they should be doing that, just that I can't see anyone who is considering doing that driving to the airport, convincing the pilots to go along with their plan, getting the drunk in the helicopter, flying out to a remote area, landing at night in an unprepared, likely unlit area, dropping the drunk off, and then going back to the airport. There's just so many ways that could go seriously wrong compared to "drive to remote area, stop, toss drunk guy out." Even cops aren't that stupid.
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Victoria police did an okay job of keeping tabs on the homeless community even when there weren't incidents. Some of them were assholes, but others seemed to understand that knowing a person's name is your most effective de-escalation move. A mentally ill person is going to respond a lot better to, "Hey Jeff, what's up, buddy?" than he will to, "Sir, please calm down right now." Names are loving magical. Unfortunately, that's a more plausible challenge in a city Victoria's size than Toronto's. Still, I wish more cops were encouraged to be friends of the community when they aren't actively managing a situation. I think Tent City has progressed beyond salvage, though. At this point the extremes of either end interpret a twitch as an aggression and there isn't much room for rationality in the middle. (Yes, the neighbours are heavily impacted by the City. Yes, the City residents are unfairly judged and punished for the actions of a few.) I've been by it a few times and seen dealers circling the block like vultures. I'm too chickenshit to walk through it at this point.
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they're going to throw natives out of the helicopter and insanely brutally slaughter them with machines guns and grenade launchers from their cop tanks
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large hands posted:they're going to throw natives out of the helicopter and insanely brutally slaughter them with machines guns and grenade launchers from their cop tanks after raping them and also each other
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PT6A posted:It doesn't need to be flying all the time, you know. It doesn't need to be flying at all. The Winnipeg police have no reason to have a tank or a helicopter, other than  TERRORISM
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DariusLikewise posted:It doesn't need to be flying at all. The Winnipeg police have no reason to have a tank or a helicopter, other than If you watch Flashpoint, you'd think Toronto has a bomb threat every other week.
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DariusLikewise posted:It doesn't need to be flying at all. The Winnipeg police have no reason to have a tank or a helicopter, other than uh i just told you the reasons, my man
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I agree they don't need that ridiculous tank, but helicopters are good for being able to track people and vehicles in a safe way that doesn't exacerbate a potentially dangerous situation.
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PT6A posted:^^^ It's black with some kind of a crest on it... exactly like a police car! I think you're really reaching here.  Nope, no difference that I see.
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tetsul posted:
Clearly the one and only police car paintjob ever. City of Calgary is moving from white-and-blue to predominantly black. It's not some kind of militarization conspiracy, it's an aesthetic choice.
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Pixelante posted:Victoria police did an okay job of keeping tabs on the homeless community even when there weren't incidents. Some of them were assholes, but others seemed to understand that knowing a person's name is your most effective de-escalation move. A mentally ill person is going to respond a lot better to, "Hey Jeff, what's up, buddy?" than he will to, "Sir, please calm down right now." Names are loving magical. A couple years ago I did my first and only call to 911 here in Victoria. A dude was sitting on a park bench in North Park saying he's going to kill him self because he's so sad, call the police, he's really going to kill him self this time. So I called the police. The 911 operator seemed a bit pissy and asked me a million questions and made me stay on the line until the police got there, but once the police got there the cop was just like "Oh that's just so and so, we do this every week" and he walked over, knelt down to get on the guy's level and had a little heart to heart before taking him off to the hospital. Apparently the dude is of course mentally ill but not actually suicidal, just miserable and depressed and lonely, he just does this routine every few weeks to get a dry place to sleep and some attention. I've actually mostly just heard good things in Victoria about how the police handle the homeless. Dealing with the homeless ends up being a majority of a victoria PD officer's job so they end up basically becoming social workers and getting to know each and every one. Of course the tent city is a whole other story since so many of them aren't the regulars the police know how to deal with, and so many are outright criminals and predators. The tent city its self is just a block from my place. I know its been hell for everyone adjacent, but a block away I haven't really noticed much change at all. One of the lawless rule-free slums they hope to cram everyone in is right across the street from me though. It has 30 people in it currently and some actual rules and screening in place and security. It's been months but I haven't noticed a thing, if you told me it was still empty I'd believe you. I'm not sure they'll be able to keep that up once they jam 100+ people in there. Maybe it will keep my rent from going way too high?
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PT6A posted:Clearly the one and only police car paintjob ever. Yeah. I personally dislike the new colour scheme - I thought that the old blue-and-white was more appropriate. All-black with white doors seems to have been chosen specifically to be hard to identity in a hurry. Mind you, I'm some sort of archconservative who prefers the older-style uniforms and liveries. (Of course, if the CPS were being truly honest with their new livery, they'd go straight to unmarked photo radar vehicles and abandon all pretence of community policing. I've seen more of the drat things in the past six months then I did in the previous six years.) Helsing posted:I don't see what the problem here is, these guns are for de-escalation: It's ironic that the police establishment in this country seems to understand that the average person doesn't really need an assault weapon for self defence, but fails to understand that they don't need them, either. I guarantee that if I called up the CFO in Alberta and told him that I needed a new C8 carbine for the purpose of de-escalating a potential home invasion, he'd tell me to get lost. David Corbett fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Yeah I perfectly understand the logic of having the equivalent of a SWAT team with automatic rifles but the idea that cops need these weapons in their normal squad cars is hard to stomach. Though knowing the Canadian police we're not gonna hear about these C8 rifles again until somebody forgets to lock their squad car in the Tim Horotn's parking lot and one of these rifles gets stolen.
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Doomy posted:Just so everyone knows the one of the main justifications for the chopper was to "find lost old people in a forest" And if we're keeping score, the last few high profile cases of missing old people were not resolved using the chopper. The chopper was, however, useful in learning about WPS blowjob preferences, which was broadcast over said chopper's loudspeaker system: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-police-sorry-for-x-rated-chopper-talk-overheard-by-public-1.3123905 Personally I hope to hear about cunnilingus from the Tonka Truck. That would definitely justify buying that thing. Alternatively, they could just turn on the loudspeakers while they furiously masturbate inside. InfiniteZero fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Helsing posted:Yeah I perfectly understand the logic of having the equivalent of a SWAT team with automatic rifles but the idea that cops need these weapons in their normal squad cars is hard to stomach. Though knowing the Canadian police we're not gonna hear about these C8 rifles again until somebody forgets to lock their squad car in the Tim Horotn's parking lot and one of these rifles gets stolen. Yeah, that already happened in Calgary. The cop wasn't even on duty; he'd left it in the back of his Subaru. (It wasn't a Tim Horton's, though; he decided to stop by a sports bar for drinks.) http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/police-patrol-rifle-stolen-in-northwest-calgary-car-prowling Keep in mind that if I had lost a full-on prohibited weapon from the back of *my* car, I'd be less "suspended with pay" and more "thrown in jail." David Corbett fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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David Corbett posted:Yeah, that already happened in Calgary. The cop wasn't even on duty; he'd left it in the back of his Subaru. (It wasn't a Tim Horton's, though; he decided to stop by a sports bar for drinks.) He was off duty and he was drinking instead of getting donuts and lovely coffee so my cynical throw-away comment wasn't nearly cynical enough I see.
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David Corbett posted:Yeah, that already happened in Calgary. The cop wasn't even on duty; he'd left it in the back of his Subaru. (It wasn't a Tim Horton's, though; he decided to stop by a sports bar for drinks.) If you stopped at a grocery store on your way to the range with your fully license and totally legal weapon you'd be more than just suspended with pay.
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The gently caress kind of handshakery is this.
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Helsing posted:Yeah I perfectly understand the logic of having the equivalent of a SWAT team with automatic rifles but the idea that cops need these weapons in their normal squad cars is hard to stomach. Though knowing the Canadian police we're not gonna hear about these C8 rifles again until somebody forgets to lock their squad car in the Tim Horotn's parking lot and one of these rifles gets stolen. Most of the police C8s are semi-auto only and the automatic function on even the military versions, by the military, are rarely if ever used. Anyone who's actually fired one could tell you that automatic fire is the most irresponsible and pointless waste of ammunition while also eliminating your capability of hitting what you're shooting at. C8s have the advantage of being far more accurate than any handgun and are probably the best thing to use if you were going to actually need to shoot someone while minimizing collateral damage. I can't speak for municipal cops but they're almost never used in our region outside of dispatching injured deer or by tac teams. They're completely unnecessary for 99.9% of the job though and I guess it was justified in a "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it" sort of way, especially since we only have about one officer per 300 km².
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PT6A posted:Clearly the one and only police car paintjob ever. It's the one the City of Winnipeg's website uses as an example.
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Ikantski posted:The gently caress kind of handshakery is this. Bunch of dorks, I love it. Oh hey... Court approves BCE friendly takeover of MTS. So gently caress everything again.
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PT6A posted:Clearly the one and only police car paintjob ever. a lot of what law enforcement organizations do in terms of how they look has more to do with the psychological effects of the look than just having a new style
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EMERGENCY LEGISLATION SESSION INCOMING: Bill C-21 - Grapes' Law - Prevent too many crazy hockey trades and/or signings from happening near-simultaneously, causing heart attacks in Good Canadian Kids™.
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Ikantski posted:The gently caress kind of handshakery is this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKmoze-hlXU
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Ikantski posted:The gently caress kind of handshakery is this. This makes me cringe, and not in an amusing way.
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Vintersorg posted:Bunch of dorks, I love it. Hahaha so much for decent cell phone plans in MB.
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