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How will you be voting in the UKEU Referendum? This poll is closed. |
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| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
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328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
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115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
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506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
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157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
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61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
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19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
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411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
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533 | 25.02% |
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Dante80 posted:Why is Corbyn viewed by some as unelectable in a general election? Is it something akin to Sanders being too left to be electable by independents/moderates? Because members of the PLP will actively sabotage the campaign and the party to ensure Corbyn never becomes PM. It's basically the pissflapsian "I want Labour to win but not if Corbyn's the leader" only with people who have political and media influence Think of 'unelectable' as more of a promise than an observation, if you like baka kaba fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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XMNN posted:interesting Frank Field is never liked and only seems to get by because hes MP for an area that would never consider not voting labour, no matter how bad the MP is. Once time I met him it was on a bus to liverpool where he was sitting in front of me and getting heckled by some old rad dude for 30 minutes on how garbage he was. Jack of Hearts posted:Because he's an old beardy man with very little charisma? He can probably only become PM if the Tories screw up so drastically that people decide that Laubor is the only option. And this screw up isn't necessarily that bad. It's terrible, but not necessarily that bad. Short of accidentally launching a nuke or invading France I'd rank this as pretty up there on the "yes it is that bad" screwups. d3c0y2 fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Jun 29, 2016 21:43
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Maybe I'm naive about youth voters but surely surely right after old people voted away their futures isn't the best time to launch a leadership challenge that'll require the youth to stay uninvolved.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:45
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Some cool cards have been spread in some Polish neighborhoods.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:47
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748172237132431362 UK Status: hosed
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Jun 29, 2016 21:47
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Palpek posted:Some cool cards have been spread in some Polish neighborhoods. Cool shirt and cool cards
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Jun 29, 2016 21:49
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Halman posted:Maybe I'm naive about youth voters but surely surely right after old people voted away their futures isn't the best time to launch a leadership challenge that'll require the youth to stay uninvolved. Well in all the reporting in March about how this coup was going to be launched after the EU referendum, they said that this would basically be their last chance before Corbyn changed the rules at the September (?) conference. So it's not about whether it's a good idea in general, it's about whether it suits their interests
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Jun 29, 2016 21:49
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Has there ever been a stupider referendum result in human history that didn't involve massive voter fraud?
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Jun 29, 2016 21:50
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d3c0y2 posted:Short of accidentally launching a missile or invading France I'd rank this as pretty up there on the "yes it is that bad" screwups. David Cameron accidentally exited an entire political union.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:50
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I'm remain but I don't think there should be a second referendum. What's done is done.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:52
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A second referendum was never the answer, it was just the bargaining stage of grief. Halman posted:Maybe I'm naive about youth voters but surely surely right after old people voted away their futures isn't the best time to launch a leadership challenge that'll require the youth to stay uninvolved. Yeah holy poo poo imagine the referendum, then a labour leadership vote and then an general all in a year. Either setting a generation of people who will always vote out of a newly gained habit or people who hate democracy because it's annoying or disruptive.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:53
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sean10mm posted:Has there ever been a stupider referendum result in human history that didn't involve massive voter fraud? When the Neanderthals voted themselves out of existence?
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Jun 29, 2016 21:53
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the rest of the world needs to use brexit as an example in many instances, like whenever another russell brand says dumb things about the value of votes. it's not for me to say but the result should stand and boris should be forced to sustain it
yes, banks moving to paris is "throwing toys out of the pram" though I am sympathetic to the narrative that humanity is governed by infants
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Jun 29, 2016 21:54
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The conservatives might still try to force it through at the end of the year anyway to avoid having to pull the trigger.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:54
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Jose posted:corbyn is really not very good and its a shame he was the left wing candidate this time. i like him but he's not cut out to be leader. mcdonnell i think is I kinda agree to be honest. I think he's done OK considering but I'm not sure it's where he's best. But nothing about any of this is ideal, so I guess we just have to keep trucking. qhat posted:Andy Burnham would be the best person IMO I don't mind Burnham but I think I wouldn't want him as leader without a decent mount of pressure from the party to keep him from drifting rightward. He strikes me as the sort who is naturally fairly left wing but enough of a politician to jump to triangulation way too quickly. Maybe if the Labour Party goes through its current ructions and the Corbyn side comes out on top, Burnham can emerge from his Mayorship to take over.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:55
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When even David Cameron's calling you out, you know its time to go.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:55
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I wouldn't support a second referendum either. The first one was a mistake and I suspect another would just piss people off and probably return the same result, maybe with an even stronger Leave win. If Government has the will to wriggle their way out of this then it'd be much better just to say that the vote was too close and after thinking it over it's too damaging and we're not going to leave, rather than pinning their hopes on a half-arsed do-over. People would be about as angry but at least there wouldn't be any uncertainty. I rather suspect it's much too late for that though.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:55
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tekz posted:When even David Cameron's calling you out, you know its time to go. David Cameron calls out everyone all the time, it's all he ever does
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Jun 29, 2016 21:56
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UrbicaMortis posted:I don't mind Burnham but I think I wouldn't want him as leader without a decent mount of pressure from the party to keep him from drifting rightward. He strikes me as the sort who is naturally fairly left wing but enough of a politician to jump to triangulation way too quickly. Maybe if the Labour Party goes through its current ructions and the Corbyn side comes out on top, Burnham can emerge from his Mayorship to take over. If it stops the petulant children in the PLP from exploding every time the tory party royally fucks up then it could be a good thing.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:57
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tekz posted:When even David Cameron's calling you out, you know its time to go. He has always displayed great judgement. qhat posted:If it stops the petulant children in the PLP from exploding every time the tory party royally fucks up then it could be a good thing. Yeah but neither is there any point if instead of the PLP exploding when the tories gently caress up, they agree with them and start making the CONTROLS ON IMMIGRATION mugs by the bucketful.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:57
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MrL_JaKiri posted:David Cameron calls out everyone all the time, it's all he ever does To be honest, they all need to get the gently caress out. Every single one of them.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:58
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tekz posted:When even David Cameron's calling you out, you know its time to go. He has proven to have had the shrewdest judgement in all the land, so sure, why not.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:58
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics...4b0dc1d1904ac65 Kezia Dugdale offers to be shadow Scottish secretary quote:The Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale told Jeremy Corbyn she would take on the vacant post as shadow Scottish secretary on Labour’s cabinet in a bid to fill the vacuum left by Ian Murray’s resignation on Sunday, party sources have told the Guardian. By the way. Scottish Labour are pissed off at Ian Murray for leaving.
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Jun 29, 2016 22:03
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seems to me that corbyn ought to stay
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Jun 29, 2016 22:03
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tekz posted:When even David Cameron's calling you out, you know its time to go. he hosed a pig and broke up the union
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Jun 29, 2016 22:04
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Palpek posted:Some cool cards have been spread in some Polish neighborhoods. Collect the coupons from the Daily Express and they'll send you down a box of them
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Jun 29, 2016 22:05
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With Burnhambot5000 as mayor of Manchester I fully expect the northern powerhouse to pull together and we'll declare our own Independence by 2025 when the new anti-gravity engines allow us to fly the entire city and Greater Manchester region, far away from this loving mess with all the other northern cities following in a massive convoy. After all it's a less crazy idea than if you'd told people a decade ago that Farage, Bozza and Gove would lead us into this hosed up mess after our soon to be ex-PM irrumated a porcine corpse's severed head.
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Jun 29, 2016 22:06
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Dante80 posted:Why is Corbyn viewed by some as unelectable in a general election? Is it something akin to Sanders being too left to be electable by independents/moderates? Beyond that, his strengths (reasonable, serious, polite, tries to give honest and thorough answers to questions) are also weaknesses: he doesn't get angry enough with his opponents (be it the Tories or the PLP). He also doesn't have much of a sense of humour, and no knack for the infamous soundbites. John McDonnell would beat him on all these counts, but McDonnell is Corbyn's closest ally so good luck getting him to try for the leadership unless Corbyn specifically passes the baton on to him. He also has some questionable beliefs on certain issues (Trident, nuclear power, homeopathy) and historically has been a left-wing Eurosceptic (he campaigned for Remain, but the PLP and other aspects of the Labour party like Welsh Labour have accused him of being reluctant). I think a lot of people held their noses on those issues when they voted for him in the first place, in the hope that he could compromise with the mainstream on those issues while keeping the economic (especially anti-austerity) policies. Naturally the Tories, PLP and media have instead hammered him on these weakpoints repeatedly. At this point for most of his fans it's ultimately more about an idea (socialism and grassroots democracy) than the man himself. Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Jun 29, 2016 22:08
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tekz posted:When even David Cameron's calling you out, you know its time to go. Cameron who is noted for wanting what is best for labour and there country at large
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Jun 29, 2016 22:11
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tekz posted:When even David Cameron's calling you out, you know its time to go. Yeah because incompetent people are the best at determining the competency of others.
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Jun 29, 2016 22:12
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Halman posted:Cameron who is noted for wanting what is best for labour and there country at large Actually I read that the Telegraph is also saying he should go. The pressure is mounting from people who definitely want the best for the Labour party.
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Jun 29, 2016 22:12
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if people want a reason corbyn is unelectable its because he's really not liked up north
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Jun 29, 2016 22:13
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Paul.Power posted:From the PLP's point of view, he's too left-wing. Sort of, for Momentum probably, but for me (and I suspect for at least a meaningful minority of Corbae supporters) it's a more moderate wish for him to drag Labour far enough to the left for a sufficiently long time so that once he Jose posted:he hosed a pig and broke up the union Brits don't quit.
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Jun 29, 2016 22:16
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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I'm so mad that Tom Watson has done nothing since he was elected deputy leader. This thread made me think he'd be yelling at people 24/7 and driving tanks into the House of Commons.
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Jun 29, 2016 22:16
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big scary monsters posted:I wouldn't support a second referendum either. The first one was a mistake and I suspect another would just piss people off and probably return the same result, maybe with an even stronger Leave win. If Government has the will to wriggle their way out of this then it'd be much better just to say that the vote was too close and after thinking it over it's too damaging and we're not going to leave, rather than pinning their hopes on a half-arsed do-over. People would be about as angry but at least there wouldn't be any uncertainty. Would it have to be another straight out/in question? A multiple-choice referendum on what exactly the public wants from a Brexit would show just how confused the Leavers are.
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Jun 29, 2016 22:17
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Chucat posted:I'm so mad that Tom Watson has done nothing since he was elected deputy leader. This has just given me an idea Dennis Skinner for deputy
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Jun 29, 2016 22:18
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Corbyn vs. the PLP may also be a proxy battle for maintaining a strong anti-racist line, and so on. I think there's a lot of just plain distrust for the PLP not to jump right on issues the membership take very seriously the importance of holding the line on. That the parliamentary party have ingrained institutional habits to move right and block left in response to any given challenge.
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Jun 29, 2016 22:18
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Jose posted:if people want a reason corbyn is unelectable its because he's really not liked up north Yeah he's too much of a kindly old man who can talk about things at length without it being an angry rant.
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Jun 29, 2016 22:18
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Jose posted:if people want a reason corbyn is unelectable its because he's really not liked up north If people keep voting Labour anyway that's the opposite of being unelectable Chucat posted:I'm so mad that Tom Watson has done nothing since he was elected deputy leader. A lot of people on the internet were of the opinion that Tom Watson was great because he had it in for Murdoch and likes video games
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Pissflaps posted:No devolved parliament will be vetoing any Westminster legislation. Another patented Pissflaps prediction. Let's see if he's right this time.
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