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coconono posted:In wrestling, it's pretty much a given the new guy is going to lose. A lot. This is done nowadays as part of the learning process(it used to be straight hazing). The job for the new wrestler is to learn how to lose profitably. With the exception of if you're someone earmarked for the top very early you don't lose cleanly from developmental until you fail a drugs test.
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coconono posted:In wrestling, it's pretty much a given the new guy is going to lose. A lot. This is done nowadays as part of the learning process(it used to be straight hazing). The job for the new wrestler is to learn how to lose profitably. That makes sense to me but its still seems uncontroversial to say that losing a fight is a bigger deal/bigger loss of credibility for an MMA fighter than a Pro wrestler
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Jun 29, 2016 23:16
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CM Punk could lose this fight and gain credibility
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:With the exception of if you're someone earmarked for the top very early you don't lose cleanly from developmental until you fail a drugs test. I'm still confused by that whole manyak posted:That makes sense to me but its still seems uncontroversial to say that losing a fight is a bigger deal/bigger loss of credibility for an MMA fighter than a Pro wrestler I'd say it's pretty dumb to talk about it when your major meal ticket faces the prospect of getting his lips knocked off.
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manyak posted:That makes sense to me but its still seems uncontroversial to say that losing a fight is a bigger deal/bigger loss of credibility for an MMA fighter than a Pro wrestler coconono posted:In wrestling, it's pretty much a given the new guy is going to lose. A lot. This is done nowadays as part of the learning process(it used to be straight hazing). The job for the new wrestler is to learn how to lose profitably. Going back to what we said earlier a lot of it has to do with how the person deals with it because in MMA nobody is writing a narrative which involves you losing in order to fulfill the main quest boss rematch like 4 chapters later, unlike WWE I think also that a lot of fighters are (and stann mentioned this) unprepared for the amount of exposure they can give themselves and how that affects their personal lives
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coconono posted:
Well if thats the issue then doesnt the fact that Brock is still their meal ticket despite the fact he already got murked by Cain and then embarrassed by Overeem in 2 straight fights, prove her right?
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coconono posted:I'm still confused by that whole It wouldn't be Brock's first bad loss
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Vince definitely does not view UFC as competition. He believes that so much, that he tried put in non-compete clauses in both CM Punk's and Alberto Del Rio's contracts.
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I can't think of another sport that's more focused on what have you done for me lately than mma. Maybe boxing, but that's it
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I think it's cool that Brock Lesnar is a big enough star in wrestling that he can add a "I get to fight in the UFC" clause into his contract next to "I only work 6 days a year" and WWE had to say OK.
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projecthalaxy posted:CM Punk is going to get punched once then crawl around on the mat crying and begging the police to help him. Corey Graves: What do MY knuckles say? 
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Dr. Abysmal posted:I think it's cool that Brock Lesnar is a big enough star in wrestling that he can add a "I get to fight in the UFC" clause into his contract next to "I only work 6 days a year" and WWE had to say OK. he didn't though he got a clausee, but only if WWE OK'd the fight and then they ok'd Mark Hunt
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cm punk is gonna get suspended by the nsac when the piss man comes round and punk makes him read his dumb knuckles before "owning" him
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What do my knuckles say? P U R E P I S S
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I wonder how Punk would do in a MMA bout with Minoru Suzuki. Or any beat up old Japanese shootfighter.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I don't know, I watched Robbie Lawler and Carlos Condit go to a razor tight decision and as soon as I heard Robbie won I immediately realised Condit is a terrible fighter and was never good. Carlos realized it too and almost retired. Steph knows her poo poo.
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Halloween Jack posted:I wonder how Punk would do in a MMA bout with Minoru Suzuki. Or any beat up old Japanese shootfighter. he'd lose
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Jerusalem posted:Corey Graves: What do MY knuckles say?
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MassRafTer posted:Carlos realized it too and almost retired. Steph knows her poo poo. Carlos is a very good technical fighter but unable to perform well when his own mortality is threatened by robbie lawler punches.
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Halloween Jack posted:I wonder how Punk would do in a MMA bout with Minoru Suzuki. Or any beat up old Japanese shootfighter. Punk vs Nakamura shoot fight
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Chromatic posted:her awful "do nothing bitch" viral speech The Drum 'n Bass community will never forgive her for #DNB.
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i think punk would be disadvantaged against any old mma fighter because there's a different level mental toughness i believe is acquired by being super afraid and tired and still believing you can win like I hate using the phrase "impose (blank's) will" but especially with people who are new to that kind of blind, terrible aggression in combat sports like him it actually becomes a factor. like, any old japanese fighter could walk out in that match and probably have a shot stuffed easily, maybe take a couple of effortless jabs trying to cut an angle and punch, etc. and still maintain morale at least through the first 4 minutes. just those little early things that make you feel like you're a useless sack of garbage and that your opponent rocks can and often do dictate the outcome of amateur fights long before the first round is even halfway over (i believe that it's fair to consider punk's experience in mma at the same level as an amateur fighter's). i think any fighter could come right out the gate throwing heavy shots and rushing forward with decent footwork and unless punk A. can shoot a reactive takedown, B. has a enough power in his hands to knock out or hurt the fighter enough to make them back off quickly, or C. miraculously has a great chin and can weather an early storm in a way which doesn't gimp him the rest of the match he's gonna get hosed up. I'm pretty confident he probably won't have the footwork at this point to angle off and cleanly escape anyone with a modicum of striking training who decides to go hard before punk has the chance to automatically start to do all those things he's no doubt having a hard time remembering to implement in low speed sparring right now like distance gauging and establishing the jab and using feints to set up big shots etc. i just picture him in the center of the cage jerkily circling his opponent while he accidentally sort of mimes all the things he's thinking about doing and unconsciously mouths what his corner said to do while he imagines himself implementing the advice in his head like one of those medieval kings whose just learned how to read giving a royal decree to the court while their literate 10 year old foster daughter smiles encouragingly from the audience.
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Eat Bum Zen posted:i think punk would be disadvantaged against any old mma fighter because there's a different level mental toughness i believe is acquired by being super afraid and tired and still believing you can win I assure you that nobody who's been sparring at Duke Roufus' gym for over a year is new to blind, terrible aggression
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fatherdog posted:I assure you that nobody who's been sparring at Duke Roufus' gym for over a year is new to blind, terrible aggression That doesn't necessarily mean he'll have the tools to deal with it. Pretty Tony certainly doesn't have any besides winging looping punches.
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vainman posted:I can't think of another sport that's more focused on what have you done for me lately than mma. Maybe boxing, but that's it
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fatherdog posted:I assure you that nobody who's been sparring at Duke Roufus' gym for over a year is new to blind, terrible aggression What do you think of the rest of my analysis?
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how come some pros in danger wilt immediately and some have heart like rory or lawler or condit? i don't think you can judge his mental toughness based on experience. his real problem in my opinion is the fact that he's like 40 and just started training so he's just not gonna be any good at anything unless he's a real natural freak athlete and the quickest learner
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Eat Bum Zen posted:What do you think of the rest of my analysis? I think he's been training for like a year and a half full time, so none of us have any idea what he's picked up quickly or slowly and hence what he's likely to be good or bad at, and speculating on it is dumb and a waste of time. He's at a gym where they spar AKA style a whole bunch, which is probably not good for his injuries or his long term development but it does mean he's unlikely to be overwhelmed by dudes just coming out and throwing hard like it's not something he's seen before. He's probably going to lose, but that's not because of ~mental toughness~ or octagon jitters or what have you, it's because he's fighting a guy who's been fighting longer than he's been training, and training since back when Punk was in ROH.
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Skip My Posts posted:how come some pros in danger wilt immediately and some have heart like rory or lawler or condit? i don't think you can judge his mental toughness based on experience. his real problem in my opinion is the fact that he's like 40 and just started training so he's just not gonna be any good at anything unless he's a real natural freak athlete and the quickest learner Edit: yeah I guess speculating is kind of dumb at this point
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Two Beans posted:The Drum 'n Bass community will never forgive her for #DNB. Hell no we won't
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fatherdog posted:I think he's been training for like a year and a half full time, so none of us have any idea what he's picked up quickly or slowly and hence what he's likely to be good or bad at, and speculating on it is dumb and a waste of time. He's at a gym where they spar AKA style a whole bunch, which is probably not good for his injuries or his long term development but it does mean he's unlikely to be overwhelmed by dudes just coming out and throwing hard like it's not something he's seen before. He's probably going to lose, but that's not because of ~mental toughness~ or octagon jitters or what have you, it's because he's fighting a guy who's been fighting longer than he's been training, and training since back when Punk was in ROH. Someone should just empty quote this every few pages when people start getting antsy about the reality of Brooks' skill development, or lack there of
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If you practice doing anything for a year and half you better be more than ok at it by the end
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You've had your whole life to practice not saying stupid things, yet you still made that post
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Buddy let me tell you CM punk is going to win and win big
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Detroit_Dogg posted:at what making GBS threads his pants in the octagon.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:at what Life
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:If you practice doing anything for a year and half you better be more than ok at it by the end *does a year of psych undergrad* hmmm. Autism.
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That's open to debate. I mean he made a lot of money and that is incredibly cool
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