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Bundt Cake posted:I never watched diaz v mcgregor oops it's pretty cool
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Marching Powder posted:Two fights, he was checking well against conor too. And yes, he appears to be learning and growing as a fighter, I agree. Did McConnor throw even one round leg kick
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Jun 30, 2016 02:44
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I like how for the entire rest of his career Diazs thing was that he is always ready to fight any time, just trains to scrap and not for specific game plans, does triathalons as a hobby and eats vegetarian (?), doesnt cut crazy weight, etc etc, then finally when all of that stuff came to a head and actually perfectly benefited him in the Conor fight, no one gives him credit for it because the "He was on a boat LOL" thing makes Conor look worse
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Jun 30, 2016 02:55
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manyak posted:I like how for the entire rest of his career Diazs thing was that he is always ready to fight any time, just trains to scrap and not for specific game plans, does triathalons as a hobby and eats vegetarian (?), doesnt cut crazy weight, etc etc, then finally when all of that stuff came to a head and actually perfectly benefited him in the Conor fight, no one gives him credit for it because the "He was on a boat LOL" thing makes Conor look worse But people have pointed that out many times. Also, he was on a boat in Mexico.
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Jun 30, 2016 02:56
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Actually the thing that makes Conor look worse is that he lost to Nate Diaz lmao e: Jose aldo got knocked out in one punch by a guy who got his rear end kicked by NATE DIAZ
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Jun 30, 2016 02:58
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Dangersim posted:Sure if "consistenly" means exactly one fight, right after the one where he took one of the most uncomfortable to watch leg kick beatings of all time. Edson Barboza has kicked people until they can't even stand anymore. Jose Aldo turned Urijah Faber's leg into paste barely held together by skin. Saying that Nate suffered one of the most uncomfortable beatings is overstating things to a ridiculous degree. I honestly hope that Conor comes in with a great gameplan built on kicks and not headhunting, and still gets his rear end whooped because he doesn't have the reach advantage and Nate will have actually had sparring time.
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Jun 30, 2016 03:01
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TheUltimateDoofus posted:Did McConnor throw even one round leg kick I've researched it and the answer is yes. Conor threw one (1) leg kick and it was not checked. What a fuckin' fight though.
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Jun 30, 2016 03:02
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mewse, if you want help editing that down, PM me.
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Jun 30, 2016 03:03
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a lot of really good guys got their rear end kicked by nate. he's one of he best fighters in the ufc but ok
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Jun 30, 2016 03:03
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manyak posted:I like how for the entire rest of his career Diazs thing was that he is always ready to fight any time, just trains to scrap and not for specific game plans, does triathalons as a hobby and eats vegetarian (?), doesnt cut crazy weight, etc etc, then finally when all of that stuff came to a head and actually perfectly benefited him in the Conor fight, no one gives him credit for it because the "He was on a boat LOL" thing makes Conor look worse I agree that Nate deserves credit for being a mentally tough guy who doesnt take long breaks or lose his powers if he takes a private flight. But Im also in favor of making fun of conor. So Im torn
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Jun 30, 2016 03:04
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Google Butt posted:a lot of really good guys got their rear end kicked by nate. he's one of he best fighters in the ufc but ok It seems like a stretch to say hes one of the best because of his losses but like Nick his style is always gonna give certain fighters fits, i think he'd still beat cerrone imo and hes on a tear right now
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Jun 30, 2016 03:05
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Bundt Cake posted:I agree that Nate deserves credit for being a mentally tough guy who doesnt take long breaks or lose his powers if he takes a private flight. But Im also in favor of making fun of conor. So Im torn I respect that
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Jun 30, 2016 03:06
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manyak posted:It seems like a stretch to say hes one of the best because of his losses but like Nick his style is always gonna give certain fighters fits, i think he'd still beat cerrone imo and hes on a tear right now if nate and cerrone win I want to see the rematch
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Jun 30, 2016 03:07
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Im not sure how good I think Nate is. His initial submission streak was awesome, which he sorta needed cuz it seemed like manvel gamburyan probably couldve lay n prayed him if he didnt have a chronic shoulder injury. then at the gomi fight he super surprised me with his wrestling and punching, which I think got really good while he was struggling. Hes been pretty bad rear end since then. To me Thomson was a great fighter so I dont really think it means Nate sucks to get owned by him.
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Jun 30, 2016 03:13
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manyak posted:It seems like a stretch to say hes one of the best because of his losses but like Nick his style is always gonna give certain fighters fits, i think he'd still beat cerrone imo and hes on a tear right now Yeah, Nate is a guy who will rip you up if you come in with a bad gameplan and is gonna give some guys a huge stylistic problem, but if you look at his record it's more like "high level gatekeeper" than "one of the best fighters in the UFC"
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Jun 30, 2016 03:14
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you gotta give him contender. hes better than a gatekeeper
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Jun 30, 2016 03:16
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It's been said a lot, but he looked much improved in the Johnson fight, and it looked like he maintained that in the conor fight. Really curious to see if he continues to improve even though he's pretty deep into his career
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Jun 30, 2016 03:18
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nate is the best fighter to lose to joe daddy stevenson
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Jun 30, 2016 03:19
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McGregor is fighting out of his weight class against a better boxer, wrestler, and jiu jitsu practitioner who will have the benefit of actually training for the rematch of the fight which he hilariously won the first time. Meanwhile McGregor has been loving around on Twitter pretending he's not mad for loving real stop it you guys haha I was just kidding, I don't need your money dad I'll fight Mayweather and make millions or maybe mom's new boyfriend Steven will give me money. Jesus give me a break.
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Jun 30, 2016 03:20
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Joe Daddy ruled I liked Drew Fickett, too. Guys who are elite at exactly 1 thing are cool
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Jun 30, 2016 03:21
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Bundt Cake posted:you gotta give him contender. hes better than a gatekeeper High level gatekeeper and contender is essentially the same thing
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Jun 30, 2016 03:30
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Bundt Cake posted:you gotta give him contender. hes better than a gatekeeper I dunno, might be semantics at this point (I mean he is literally a former contender since he got a title shot, even if he got hilariously owned in it) but when I look back at hist 155 record the dudes that went on to title shots and top 5 rankings beat him fairly easily, whereas all the guys who lost to him put together strings of mixed wins and losses afterwards and bummed around the midcard - that's what I think of as "high level gatekeeper". I might just be thinking of it differently than most people use the term.
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Jun 30, 2016 03:31
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fatherdog posted:I dunno, might be semantics at this point (I mean he is literally a former contender since he got a title shot, even if he got hilariously owned in it) but when I look back at hist 155 record the dudes that went on to title shots and top 5 rankings beat him fairly easily, whereas all the guys who lost to him put together strings of mixed wins and losses afterwards and bummed around the midcard - that's what I think of as "high level gatekeeper". I might just be thinking of it differently than most people use the term. Theres at least 1 guy on the same page
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Jun 30, 2016 03:33
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Add Accidentally Agree with Atom to psp bingo
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Jun 30, 2016 03:39
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Bundt Cake posted:Theres at least 1 guy on the same page Nah, I don't agree with him that "contender" and "high level gatekeeper" are the same thing. Like I said, guys who beat Nate do so easily and go on to contend; guys who lose to him wind up losing to other guys pretty quick afterwards. It's not like, say, Frankie at 145, where he can beat up Charles Oliveira and Oliveira goes and racks up a four fight streak immediately afterwards.
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Jun 30, 2016 03:46
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fatherdog posted:Nah, I don't agree with him that "contender" and "high level gatekeeper" are the same thing. Like I said, guys who beat Nate do so easily and go on to contend; guys who lose to him wind up losing to other guys pretty quick afterwards. It's not like, say, Frankie at 145, where he can beat up Charles Oliveira and Oliveira goes and racks up a four fight streak immediately afterwards. That is an interesting distinction I didn't really consider.
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Jun 30, 2016 03:52
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:McGregor is fighting out of his weight class against a better boxer, wrestler, and jiu jitsu practitioner who will have the benefit of actually training for the rematch of the fight which he hilariously won the first time. Are you okay? I'm worried about you.
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Jun 30, 2016 03:56
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I.N.R.I posted:people here like to say nate didnt train for the fight but conor didnt train specifically for nate either. this is just conjecture on my part but i think conor is the kind of person who needs to do everything perfectly in order to prepare for a fight and while he was leaner than nate for the fight he was most likely basically just as unprepared as nate was. its not like nate was unfit for the fight even if he was on a boat like he says, cos if he was unfit, he would have blown up just like conor did. so i think conor will look better in the 2nd fight Conor slows down significantly in all his fights that go beyond 4 minutes. It had nothing to do with not being prepared for nate
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Jun 30, 2016 04:21
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Bundt Cake posted:Im not sure how good I think Nate is. His initial submission streak was awesome, which he sorta needed cuz it seemed like manvel gamburyan probably couldve lay n prayed him if he didnt have a chronic shoulder injury. then at the gomi fight he super surprised me with his wrestling and punching, which I think got really good while he was struggling. Hes been pretty bad rear end since then. To me Thomson was a great fighter so I dont really think it means Nate sucks to get owned by him. i agree that Thomson was a great fighter. i don't hold that stoppage against Nate
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https://giant.gfycat.com/CarelessEnergeticAcaciarat.mp4 it's cool the way robbie attacks after sprawls, also god bless rory
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Jun 30, 2016 04:48
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:McGregor is fighting out of his weight class against a better boxer, wrestler, and jiu jitsu practitioner who will have the benefit of actually training for the rematch of the fight which he hilariously won the first time. For reals man take a chill pill david carmichael posted:Conor slows down significantly in all his fights that go beyond 4 minutes. It had nothing to do with not being prepared for nate I think that he will do better in the rematch, but that's probably a given
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david carmichael posted:Conor slows down significantly in all his fights that go beyond 4 minutes. It had nothing to do with not being prepared for nate That's because he is on steroids.
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Eat This Glob posted:That's because he is on steroids. that reminds me Nierbo posted:Theres more to it than conditioning. There was a significant skill difference in the boxing between those two, and is a few months really enough for Conor to make enough improvement in his game in that area? Probably not. He can gameplan better and say he wants a camp focused on Nate but that skill gap isn't going to be closed much. Eat Bum Zen posted:you're on steroids! 
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Dangersim posted:It's nate diaz not jon jones Counterpoint-- he whooped the poo poo out of McGregor and there's no reason to think the outcome will be different unless you are a Conor superfan.
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Skip My Posts posted:i feel like some people are really underestimating Conor's chances in this fight just like some people really underestimated nate's chance in the first one it's a pendulum and i don't know why people can't say conor will do better this time AND that nate spanked him the first goround, because both are objectively true edit: and idk if it was really such a 1-sided beatdown, like 25:75 maybe, but not 1:99
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Eat Bum Zen posted:it's a pendulum and i don't know why people can't say conor will do better this time AND that nate spanked him the first goround, because both are objectively true conor won the first round
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Skip My Posts posted:conor won the first round first 8 mins he wasn't even trying and he won those
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Jun 30, 2016 08:07
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Nate is going to effortlessly taunt Conor into completely abandoning any game plan by repeatedly calling him rich and a midget champion.
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Jun 30, 2016 08:20
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The first round was a McGregor round that was way tighter than Conor and most people seem to think it was. Diaz was always game and fully confident in what he was doing.
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