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Automatic Slim posted:Just saw Enterprise episode with the Borg. A beautiful exercise in completely ignoring continuity Star Trek. But one of the criticisms of early TNG was that the Borg were already on their way before Q pointed them out, and that raised the question of how did the Borg know exactly where Earth is, or why were they going in the first place. Enterprise stitched up that hole quite nicely by using First Contact leftovers, and having the Borg send out a low level subspace message that would take ~200 years to reach the Delta quadrant. Later they got their database purged, hence why Ferengi and Borg were forgotten about until TNG/DS9 days.
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First paragraph makes a good point. When did that happen in the second.
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Jun 30, 2016 10:38
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plushpuffin posted:It is also made extremely clear that Enterprise is a precursor to TOS and TNG, not an alternate history. The last episode in particular shows that everything that happened on Enterprise gave rise to TNG, and the ominous closing lines of the Borg episode indicate that the message sent to the Delta quadrant will take ~200 years to arrive, which is clearly an attempt to explain the revelation that the Borg were already traveling toward Federation space when Q forced an introduction. The discovery of the Borg in Enterprise begins/ends a causal loop which ends/begins with First Contact. Star Trek is very fond of causal loops and the concept of the timeline having an inertia that can be put right even if a few details are changed. if you believe the events of enterprise and first contact to be a pre-baked in causality loop (primordial CTC) that only resulted in one timeline, explain (in universe): - why no-one had ever heard of the borg while zeph blogged about em and did a bunch of poo poo because of the borg. and further more, explain how - riker is somehow much old and fatter in the last episode than he would be if that was the prime universe. - what happened to the timeline that the enterprise left to persue the borg back in time that was all hosed up by the borg - what happened to the universe that the borg left before that in order to gently caress the earth up - why the process of travelling back in time in this instance would result in no universe split despite the fact that when spock did it it did split the universe - why so many things are different on enterprise and break with established history - why there isn't a little gold nx-01 in the captain's ready room despite its apparent insane importance - why everyone is all retarded on the enterprise e in insurrection and nemesis because i can, its a parallel universe created from time travel. prime/good universe spawned the archer/bad universe which spawned the kelvin/dumb universe.
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Jun 30, 2016 10:41
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criscodisco posted:Lol somebody failed temporal mechanics, noob.  I passed it the second time around.
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Jun 30, 2016 11:55
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in a parallel universe, im gay
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Jun 30, 2016 11:55
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chaosbreather posted:if you believe the events of enterprise and first contact to be a pre-baked in causality loop (primordial CTC) that only resulted in one timeline, explain (in universe): Because Star Trek writers are bad and lazy and can't peer into their own future. However, their intent was clear. Enterprise is a prequel to both TOS and TNG, and there are numerous call-forwards to both series.
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Jun 30, 2016 11:59
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Shout outs to the Bajoran milf that wanted Odo's liquid cock. But who can blame her for wanting to be first to ride what was referred to around the station as "The Other Great Link"
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Jun 30, 2016 12:24
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plushpuffin posted:
i passed it the first time on my third try man Starfleet Academy must have some wacky hijinks going on, that's a show i'd watch. wasn't there a pitch going around for exactly that?
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Jun 30, 2016 12:38
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Automatic Slim posted:First paragraph makes a good point. Somewhere mid season 3, there was like some rogue bunch of Bad Guys who temporarily take over the ship. Part of their bad guy deeds included deleting ~18.6 XB of data from the NX-01's computer. I vividly recall seeing the amount (  ); It's not stated as part of the script per se, but it's shown on screen.
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Jun 30, 2016 12:55
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I thought they used quads not bytes in Star Trek. I hope someone was fired for using bytes.
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Jun 30, 2016 13:08
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In the Voyager time travel episode Future's End B'elanna says at one point "it will take us a while to convert from binary to quads" when they access the billionaire's computer database, but the stupid thing is that there's no real difference. Quads and bytes are both powers of two so there's no "conversion" needed. It's just a matter of grouping the binary digits.
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Jun 30, 2016 13:21
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plushpuffin posted:Because Star Trek writers are bad and lazy and can't peer into their own future. However, their intent was clear. Enterprise is a prequel to both TOS and TNG, and there are numerous call-forwards to both series. in universe explanation, please the fact that some things wound up similar, like there being a commander riker with holodeck privileges, can't discount the fact that far, far more things wound up totally different and awful chaosbreather fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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Jun 30, 2016 13:37
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chaosbreather posted:in universe explanation, please In-universe explanations for laziness, writing mistakes, and continuity errors in two series made 15 years apart and in reverse chronological order? OK, fine. chaosbreather posted:if you believe the events of enterprise and first contact to be a pre-baked in causality loop (primordial CTC) that only resulted in one timeline, explain (in universe): Q: why no-one had ever heard of the borg while zeph blogged about em and did a bunch of poo poo because of the borg A: In-universe, Archer claims that Zephram Cochrane told a lot of tall tales and he may have been senile or crazy in late life. Q: riker is somehow much old and fatter in the last episode than he would be if that was the prime universe. A: Riker had cosmetic surgery because he was about to go undercover as a Pakled for a secret mission. Q: what happened to the timeline that the enterprise left to persue the borg back in time that was all hosed up by the borg A: Erased by the true timeline. When the Enterprise was caught in the temporal wake, they were the last remnant of the true timeline. Their actions caused the true timeline to reassert itself. Q: what happened to the universe that the borg left before that in order to gently caress the earth up A: Not sure what you're saying. I maintain that the Borg had always gone back in time and that an outside observer would have seen the 2061 Borg incursion, the Enterprise reawakening, and the TNG encounter with Borg who were already aware of the Federation as a causal loop with no beginning or end. Q: why the process of travelling back in time in this instance would result in no universe split despite the fact that when spock did it it did split the universe A: Historical inertia allows a timeline to be fixed with only minor differences as long as it can be fixed. The destruction of Vulcan was too great a change to gloss over. Q: why so many things are different on enterprise and break with established history A: Bit rot and a period of 1960s-aesthetic nostalgia during the TOS era. Q: why there isn't a little gold nx-01 in the captain's ready room despite its apparent insane importance A: Section 31 suppressed knowledge of that era because there were too many temporal shenanigans. Q: why everyone is all retarded on the enterprise e in insurrection and nemesis A: Picard never left the Nexus and is fulfilling various fantasies.
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Jun 30, 2016 13:52
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I know TNG didn't really ever deal with money or a budget but it needed a villain on the ship and it should have been an accountant who always complained about the cost of things. Sitting on the other side of Riker and no matter what, he complains about the budget. Worf, fire a warning off the port bow. How am I supposed to explain all these warnings to Starfleet?! They're not cheap! Picard has been captured. We need to send a shuttlecraft down to the surface. Starfleet is already screaming about our fuel budget and you want to send ANOTHER shuttlecraft down? Do you realize how much each minute of Holodeck time affects our bottom line? And double-duties for the Borg attack? Where is that money supposed to come from?!
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Jun 30, 2016 14:59
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Oh Star Trek economics. I like how a Bajoran civil war nearly kicked off because some soil reclimators were moved from one province to another because if Bajor was to join the Federation they had to first, for some reason, setup a sustained food export economy with other planets in the system.... so they can ditch it the very day after they get full Fed membership and install limitless food replicators every fifty feet.
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Jun 30, 2016 15:05
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Let me tell you about the Agricultural Prime Directive; it states that-
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Jun 30, 2016 15:08
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oldpainless posted:I know TNG didn't really ever deal with money or a budget but it needed a villain on the ship and it should have been an accountant who always complained about the cost of things. Sitting on the other side of Riker and no matter what, he complains about the budget. Every Starfleet ship has a Bond Company Stooge like on Life Aquatic.
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Jun 30, 2016 15:10
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plushpuffin posted:
 if section 31 suppressed knowledge of a starship Enterprise to the point where the captain of another starship Enterprise would not know or care it existed, how would that captain's underling have access and think to access a flawless holodeck recreation of the entire series of events... unless it was a DIFFERENT PARALLEL version of an underling that was in a universe where that ship existed? of course never mind that you literally prefer an impossible conspiracy theory to merely ascribing it to a central tenant of star trek cosmology that has been the basis of more than a dozen episodes and underpins all the modern films, in total violation of occam's razor
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Jun 30, 2016 15:28
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chaosbreather posted:
Or maybe I was giving joke answers to your sillier nitpicks because that's all the consideration they deserved. This isn't Babylon 5. This is Star Trek. There are no rules.
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Jun 30, 2016 15:32
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The gold NX got put in a drawer to make room for the fish tank.
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Jun 30, 2016 15:53
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plushpuffin posted:Or maybe I was giving joke answers to your sillier nitpicks because that's all the consideration they deserved. not as pathetic as your stupid genitals
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Jun 30, 2016 16:06
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Cthulu Carl posted:Every Starfleet ship has a Bond Company Stooge like on Life Aquatic. Romulan: Hey, this is my cloaking device. How did you get my cloaking device? Bond company stooge: We loving stole it, man!
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Jun 30, 2016 17:09
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Rewatching Voyager rn and it's very good.
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Jun 30, 2016 17:10
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Hector Beerlioz posted:Rewatching Voyager rn and it's very good. Please include a trip report from all the drugs you are on.
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Jun 30, 2016 17:17
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Hector Beerlioz posted:Rewatching Voyager rn and it's very good. Are you drunk?
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Jun 30, 2016 17:20
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High as gently caress on warp particles.
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Jun 30, 2016 17:20
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I am drink a Busch beer and watching the episode where Harry is back home on Earth and has to give a big presentation and has a hot gf for some reason.
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Jun 30, 2016 17:23
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Chomp8645 posted:High as gently caress on warp particles. Transporter psychosis
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Jun 30, 2016 17:25
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Hector Beerlioz posted:I am drink a Busch beer and watching the episode where Harry is back home on Earth and has to give a big presentation and has a hot gf for some reason. That beer is spiked, no way american beer is strong enough to twist your mind into the shapes required for it to like voyager.
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Jun 30, 2016 17:27
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Hector Beerlioz posted:I am drink a Busch beer and watching the episode where Harry is back home on Earth and has to give a big presentation and has a hot gf for some reason. Uh, are you sure you're watching VOyager, and not "The Young and the Restless?"
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Jun 30, 2016 17:27
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Iron Crowned posted:Uh, are you sure you're watching VOyager, and not "The Young and the Restless?" He, he looked at his clarinet and everything. Time for beer #2
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Jun 30, 2016 17:29
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Voyager is very good, my goodness how I've forgotten!
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Jun 30, 2016 17:30
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Hector Beerlioz posted:Voyager is very good, my goodness how I've forgotten! Someone please send this man an ambulance.
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Jun 30, 2016 18:11
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Now the ship is getting all contorted, CRAZY
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Jun 30, 2016 18:12
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Everyone is talking about these timelines and poo poo but the borg knew about the Federation as soon as they assimilated the Hanson's and that was like at least a decade before the Q forced their encounter.
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Jun 30, 2016 18:14
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i like astrometrics but its just a planetarium is that really the best place for the robot
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Jun 30, 2016 18:22
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on the enterprise d and e, dolphins did that job 7of9 is doing the job of a fish
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Jun 30, 2016 18:23
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plushpuffin posted:In the Voyager time travel episode Future's End B'elanna says at one point "it will take us a while to convert from binary to quads" when they access the billionaire's computer database, but the stupid thing is that there's no real difference. Quads and bytes are both powers of two so there's no "conversion" needed. It's just a matter of grouping the binary digits. To steal a point from SF Debris, you have to remember that Torres was someone who literally couldn't identify poo poo with a tricorder. As for the Borg thing: why assume the Borg were specifically going to Earth? Why can't they be doing the same thing Starfleet is: sending ships out to see what's out there?
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Jun 30, 2016 18:33
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Sunswipe posted:As for the Borg thing: why assume the Borg were specifically going to Earth? Why can't they be doing the same thing Starfleet is: sending ships out to see what's out there? Because then the audience knows it's real important!
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Humans are the most special and unique race in the galaxy obv 
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