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Finster Dexter posted:Did the last Zelda sell over 2m? Skyward Sword and A Link Between Worlds sold 3.5 and 2.5 million copies by the end of their second year, respectively. Reportedly Skyward Sword has hit the 4 million mark since then.
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CrashCat posted:well, considering complicating things with the Wii U worked so well, I can see no problem with this plan Yeah I don't particularly think that it's great, just... incredibly likely. Kids nowadays fuckin love iPads and tablets in general too though, so there's a bigger market than you might think for something that builds on top of that as a kids toy. Hell, the Family Cell Phone is barely a thing anymore, kids often have their own or play games on the old hand-me-down phone that doesn't have service. However there would probably be an optional Nintendo-branded dedicated tablet of some sort that could be used if there is not a spare tablet or phone laying around. Probably some Android thing they hack together and lock down, but it's portable, and they could sell them for $99 or less. And almond-shaped 
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Whatever the NX is, I bet it will have an rear end backwards online system. Sony's online store recently turned to poo poo, as well as Steam in my opinion. Pretty sure Nintendo was the first to not poo poo on people in the midwest and east coast in the US with midnight releases. Miiverse is cool as gently caress.
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katkillad2 posted:Sony's online store recently turned to poo poo, as well as Steam in my opinion. Pretty sure Nintendo was the first to not poo poo on people in the midwest and east coast in the US with midnight releases. Miiverse is cool as gently caress. This is a weird Nintendo apologist post. 1) Sony's store and steam are fine. They work. You can use them from anywhere. You don't have to be on the device you're going to play the thing on to even look. 2) How are midnight releases "making GBS threads on people in the midwest and east coast"? Because midnight PST isn't midnight MST/EST? Lol.
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ddogflex posted:This is a weird Nintendo apologist post. Sony's store is blech. The PS4's version is better than the PS3's due to the sheer virtue of it not crashing on a whim whenever but loading up videos that hang out in the background of certain games store pages and that dial a search search function is pretty annoying. Steam's is good though.
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The French Army! posted:But nobody looks back fondly on the Wii beyond a handful of first party Nintendo titles. It is mostly remembered as a popular but short lived gimmick that spent most of its life collecting dust next to a PS3 or Xbox 360. Those extra 20 million consoles didn't help them in the end because nobody bought the Wii U after seeing how badly they poo poo the bed with software support on the Wii. In addition to finding it strange that a second standard was created to mollify the success of the Wii, I have had a problem with the "Little White Dust Collectors" meme. Namely, the only person irl who ever made the comment to me was someone who literally never owned a Wii. It just sounds like catchy bullshit to me.
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Yeah, there was way more than a handful of good games on the Wii. Admittedly, there was a pile of shite games too, but that's true for any system, any time.
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Commissar Ken posted:Sony's store is blech. The PS4's version is better than the PS3's due to the sheer virtue of it not crashing on a whim whenever but loading up videos that hang out in the background of certain games store pages and that dial a search search function is pretty annoying. But Nintendo's web store is barely any more useful than the on device shop, and I like that one least of all. Especially with the constant launching in and out poo poo if you want to follow links from the Wii U menu features
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Steam's store is fine, but its so full of shovelware and lovely unfinished junk now. Also, its sales events have just now degraded into having you click through game store pages for cards, reminding you of said shovelware and lovely unfinished junk
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Tengames posted:Steam's store is fine, but its so full of shovelware and lovely unfinished junk now. Also, its sales events have just now degraded into having you click through game store pages for cards, reminding you of said shovelware and lovely unfinished junk
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CrashCat posted:But Nintendo's web store is barely any more useful than the on device shop, and I like that one least of all. Especially with the constant launching in and out poo poo if you want to follow links from the Wii U menu features I don't mind the WiiU's store because it lets me search for poo poo I want. I think that's my biggest gripe about Sony's. That being said Nintendo shat the bed pretty hard with the 3DS shop. That thing is not great to navigate.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:In addition to finding it strange that a second standard was created to mollify the success of the Wii It's called "attach rate" and it is a huge deal in the hardware world. Wii may have sold 20 million more units but most of the people who bought them bought it for Wii Sports and maybe picked up a Wii Fit and a few pieces of Carnival Games shovelware while PS3/360 were not only moving tons of software all generation long but also racking on subscriptions via Xbox Live Gold/PS+, pushing HD-TV as the standard, making Blu-Ray win the format wars, and generally continuing to work building a customer base long after most of the non-gamers who bought Wiis had moved on to the next fad.
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FactsAreUseless posted:It's got a great selection of anime porn games. 
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Guy Mann posted:It's called "attach rate" and it is a huge deal in the hardware world. Wii may have sold 20 million more units but most of the people who bought them bought it for Wii Sports and maybe picked up a Wii Fit and a few pieces of Carnival Games shovelware while PS3/360 were not only moving tons of software all generation long but also racking on subscriptions via Xbox Live Gold/PS+, pushing HD-TV as the standard, making Blu-Ray win the format wars, and generally continuing to work building a customer base long after most of the non-gamers who bought Wiis had moved on to the next fad. http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/29/these-are-nintendos-lifetime-hardware-and-software-numbers IGN claims that the Wii's attach rate was 8.84 games per system, with 9(!) titles selling over 10 million units. It's from two years ago so I'll discount the 3DS and WiiU numbers, so let's look at previous systems. NES: 8.08 Game Boy: 4.22(!) SNES: 7.72 N64: 6.83 GBA: 4.63 Gamecube 9.59 DS: 6.12 So...the Wii is in second place behind the Gamecube for Nintendo system software attach rates. Their in-progress numbers for 3DS and WiiU as of two years ago are: 3DS: 3.56 (ouch...it'd already been on the market for three years at this point) WiiU: 5.01 (this is before even Mario Kart 8 was out)
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Those figures are pretty wild. Amusingly, when we were little kids a friend of mine asked me how many NES games I had, and when I told him (twelve or thirteen I guess) he said, "WHAT! NO ONE has more than eight games!" Apparently the average owner did, if only barely.  The numbers are a little surprising to me. I don't have strong opinions about the consoles since they sound like pretty reasonable numbers, although personally I didn't meet or exceed the figures for N64 (didn't have one) or Gamecube (got in on it way late) or Wii (straight up didn't use it enough to warrant it). What really shocks me are the handheld numbers, since the Game Boy had novelty going for it, the GBA had an absolutely incredible library, DS was solid, and 3DS is just all around terrific. I probably have almost as many GBA games as I do PS2 games, and I don't even want to think of how much I spent on that thing over the years. I gotta say though, it's weird seeing numbers that low when I'm at like 650 titles on Steam and I know folks with way more than that.
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I think the GB numbers are dragged way down by people who bought Pokemon and nothing else. A person who buys one game and a person who buys 9 games average out to 5.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:People are pointing out the last time Nintendo held off on revealing something on the fear of copycats, it turned out to be Mario's water jetpack. To be fair, Mario's water jetpack was stolen by a competitor several times.
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DalaranJ posted:To be fair, Mario's water jetpack was stolen by a competitor several times. All this stealing tech fear stems from that one time the Sega and Sony representatives kidnapped a Nintendo game tester for info on Starfox 64 and it's sweet rumble tech. A darker day there never was.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:If it's just a normal console with comparable hardware to the PS4 and XBone, people are going to go "Meh". If it's a console with a gimmick with hardware comparable to the PS4 and XBone, people are going to go "LOL Nintendo". I cannot imagine what kind of machine they could make that will really capture people's attention. shockingly, it turns out all your have to do is actually make a loving serious effort at a modern AAA game and people will give you positive attention. maybe nintendo can just keep down that road (ie doing their job correctly) instead of continually trying to play fourth dimensional chess and making GBS threads their pants again
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To be fair, making GBS threads your pants is a valid and celebrated move in 4th Dimensional Chess.
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Kasparov's Bomba is a celebrated tactic no matter the number of dimensions.
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Mandrel posted:shockingly, it turns out all your have to do is actually make a loving serious effort at a modern AAA game and people will give you positive attention. maybe nintendo can just keep down that road (ie doing their job correctly) instead of continually trying to play fourth dimensional chess and making GBS threads their pants again Whenever you catch yourself saying poo poo like this, remind yourself that Nintendo is a toy company that is not and probably will never go for the Gamer Audience. They couldn't be any clearer (in their shareholder presentations, etc) that their whole thing is trying to get people who aren't "gamers" and kids to play their toys.
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Boten Anna posted:Whenever you catch yourself saying poo poo like this, remind yourself that Nintendo is a toy company that is not and probably will never go for the Gamer Audience. They couldn't be any clearer (in their shareholder presentations, etc) that their whole thing is trying to get people who aren't "gamers" and kids to play their toys. What if - and this is nuts - you didn't have to choose, and could produce products both groups of people enjoy?
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Zombies' Downfall posted:What if - and this is nuts - you didn't have to choose, and could produce products both groups of people enjoy? They do, but they don't cater to gamers, they just throw gamers a bone sometimes. Nintendo of recent is actually a lot better about this than nintendo of yesteryear, which was frequently openly hostile to their biggest fans (rpg players are losers, clean the fridge, everything about competitive smash, the list goes on) but they will forever be chasing the
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It doesn't help that a decade ago when Nintendo put out wildly popular software like Brain Age and Nintendogs their "loyal" fans rolled around screaming "Why are you abandoning us?" in a truly pathetic fashion. Even making something that was not aimed at them made them feel like they'd been stabbed in the back somehow. Nintendogs turned out to be one of the most popular titles of last gen and is actually very highly rated (83 on Metacritic), yet people today go "get that poo poo out of here" whenever Nintendo even references it in Smash.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:What if - and this is nuts - you didn't have to choose, and could produce products both groups of people enjoy? The Wii U itself is proof that Nintendo struggles to do this when it is basically the only serious support a console has. That's not an insult directed at Nintendo, it's just referencing their own admission that developing games on HD capable hardware was more demanding than they were initially prepared for. I'd love for them to be able to just throw out another F-Zero GX collab and a new Metroid and a new Zelda and a new DKC/Mario platformer and another Smash all in the same year. Realistically, I don't think any single company has the talent to juggle big projects like this all at once, make them all at the quality people expect out of Nintendo games, and then to have even more software for people to look forward to six months or less down the line. Mandrel posted:shockingly, it turns out all your have to do is actually make a loving serious effort at a modern AAA game and people will give you positive attention. maybe nintendo can just keep down that road (ie doing their job correctly) instead of continually trying to play fourth dimensional chess and making GBS threads their pants again It's not that Nintendo never or hasn't produced good games for the Wii or Wii U. Some of the flat out best games of the generation are on the Wii U right now. I'm as critical about the company as any "hater" of the company could be accused of being, but they have made "AAA" games this generation that legitimately kick rear end. Unfortunately for Nintendo, that's not good enough, and that's not really the problem the are having. One company producing ace software that its fans love isn't enough to sustain a console in the face of others that have more regular releases of new games, even if they aren't all close to as good as any single "gem" Nintendo could produce. I think Nintendo can probably get by just fine making Nintendo games and not making games other companies are known for making, as long as they have the support from third parties. Hell, they DID have it at first for the Wii U, but the sales for the console basically drove off a cliff and Nintendo had no way to really convince anyone to stick around when there was newer hardware like the PS4 or Xbox One around the corner.
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Patter Song posted:It doesn't help that a decade ago when Nintendo put out wildly popular software like Brain Age and Nintendogs their "loyal" fans rolled around screaming "Why are you abandoning us?" in a truly pathetic fashion. Even making something that was not aimed at them made them feel like they'd been stabbed in the back somehow. Yup. I mean, I got and loved Brain Age and Nintendogs, but if Nintendo does anything shy of port Super Mario Brothers to the PS4, angry gamer neckbeards write six million word thinkpieces for Bloomberg or whatever about how Nintendo is a dumpster fire and literally killing their family and why can't Nintendo release Mario for the iPhone? So yeah on the flip side, gamers are entitled little shits and I don't really blame Nintendo for not catering to them either. (Not that us Nintendo fans are much better in our own special ways, she says, hiding the pile of tweets with pictures of dildos in them all mentioning @Nintendo in her livetweet of Pokemon Omega Ruby.)
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Nintendo tries really hard to make it clear to manchildren that the games aren't aimed at them so they don't get a backlash, but it doesn't work, I will continue to spend hundreds of dollars per year on games for five year olds until the day I die.
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Boten Anna posted:Yup. I mean, I got and loved Brain Age and Nintendogs, but if Nintendo does anything shy of port Super Mario Brothers to the PS4, angry gamer neckbeards write six million word thinkpieces for Bloomberg or whatever about how Nintendo is a dumpster fire and literally killing their family and why can't Nintendo release Mario for the iPhone? Actually, holy poo poo why haven't they made Nintendogs for the iPhone yet? Out of every IP they could make mobile that seems like an easy winner.
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greatn posted:Actually, holy poo poo why haven't they made Nintendogs for the iPhone yet? Out of every IP they could make mobile that seems like an easy winner. It should be an expansion pack for Miitomo.
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How would you monetize the caring of virtual dogs? By letting them die if you don't buy the food packs (only $2.50 for 5!)? That would very likely cause a tremendous backlash with soccer moms.
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Patter Song posted:3DS: 3.56 (ouch...it'd already been on the market for three years at this point) Is it only counting retail sales? It has Animal Crossing at 3.86 million sold, this article from around the same time has it as 7.38 million. If they're ignoring eshop sales, then the 3DS would definitely be skewed.
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Saoshyant posted:How would you monetize the caring of virtual dogs? By letting them die if you don't buy the food packs (only $2.50 for 5!)? That would very likely cause a tremendous backlash with soccer moms. Clothes. Accessories. Dog toys.
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Expansion pack for Miitomo. $9.99/breed and/or a zillion Miitomo coins and/or for Premium Breeds. Can buy toys and accessories with Miitomo coins. Can purchase Miitomo coins with cash.
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Meldonox posted:Those figures are pretty wild. Amusingly, when we were little kids a friend of mine asked me how many NES games I had, and when I told him (twelve or thirteen I guess) he said, "WHAT! NO ONE has more than eight games!" Apparently the average owner did, if only barely. Yeah, I had those friends that were lucky to get one game a year on their birthday or Christmas, while I was rocking a 40+ game NES library. Why would people buy a console and not get games? I literally know people who has a Wii and only have Wii Sports.
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Astro7x posted:Yeah, I had those friends that were lucky to get one game a year on their birthday or Christmas, while I was rocking a 40+ game NES library. Why would people buy a console and not get games? I literally know people who has a Wii and only have Wii Sports. I would get two or three games for Christmas and one for my birthday, but the video rental market was so prevalent back then I would rent and finish one or two games a month, if not more. You didn't have to buy them.
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I had a bootleg NES game from China that had like 110 games on it. Sorry for skewing all the stats, guys.
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Saoshyant posted:How would you monetize the caring of virtual dogs? By letting them die if you don't buy the food packs (only $2.50 for 5!)? That would very likely cause a tremendous backlash with soccer moms. There's a pretty popular cat collecting app, basically you buy food and toys to lure new cats to your yard and get prizes from them. Use that as a basis and build on it. Follow the typical f2p structure of trickling out ingame currency while encouraging you to pay money for more.
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Astro7x posted:Yeah, I had those friends that were lucky to get one game a year on their birthday or Christmas, while I was rocking a 40+ game NES library. Why would people buy a console and not get games? I literally know people who has a Wii and only have Wii Sports. I got one game for Christmas and one for my birthday, and basically scrimped and saved my $5/wk allowance to get more ($70) games as I could. My parents were weird about me getting new games. I rented a lot, and while I had amazing taste I think after years my SNES library was probably 20-something strong? Also the attach rates don't account for used games most likely, as I got a decent number of games from rental store sales and such. Stuff like Wii Sports is like, people bought the system just for it. The Wii got so cheap that nabbing one and maybe a couple of controllers was an impulse purchase for some of the kinds of people who can afford $200 or less impulse purchases. There wasn't much else quite like it on the system that really appealed to the people who bought it for Wii Sports. It's a perfectly understandable thing to do for someone who isn't into games, but having Wii Sports or maybe even Wii Fit alone is worth the price of entry. Hell, have you SEEN how much personal trainers cost? One, maybe two sessions pays for that entire setup.
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