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CodfishCartographer posted:Could someone please explain to my ignorant american brain who Theresa May is and why she’s terrible? James May's wife. An avid car fan.
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I want to see a world where the candidates are selected for their achievements, intelligence and knowledge of political issues with no other qualifier and no parties. We've created a world where our leaders spent most of their time trying to be our leaders, or hold onto being our leaders, than ever loving leading us. You only see Obama act kind of cool in the last year or so when it comes down to "gently caress it, what are you going to do, not re-elect me?"
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Jun 30, 2016 18:33
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CodfishCartographer posted:Could someone please explain to my ignorant american brain who Theresa May is and why she’s terrible? Here: http://time.com/4386934/theresa-may-boris-johnson-leader-conservative-party/ quote:After university, May took roles in the Bank of England and the Association for Payment Clearing Services before being elected as MP for Maidenhead in 1997. quote:She has courted controversy in her tenure at the Home Office. She supported the use of the Terrorism Act to detain journalist Glenn Greenwald’s partner David Miranda and was blamed for a ‘passport fiasco’ in 2014, where a large backlog in processing new passport applications hit the hundreds of thousands. This is downplaying how outrageously terrible the "Snooper's Charter" was. In general she's strongly in favor of any shitheaded authoritarian measure you care to name (and UK politicians come up with a lot of shitheaded authoritarian proposals). LGD fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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Jun 30, 2016 18:33
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Idk that sounds perfect for the UK to me, didn't Cameron say not too long ago that 'law abiding UK citizens should not expect to have privacy from the government' or some such?
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Jun 30, 2016 18:35
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Boomstick Quaid posted:I don't think finance capitalists are very "leftist" lol
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Jun 30, 2016 18:36
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If you think big capital is leftist then I think that def might be the source of a lot of your misunderstandings? I like big capital most of the time but lol I ain't no leftist.
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Jun 30, 2016 18:36
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Brannock posted:
Jesus, someone actually considering democracy bad and trying to make the idea palatable. Why isn't there any outrage about this ? If Trump wrote something like that lol The Enlightened Elites guiding the Commoners. Just bring back the Peer system then
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Jun 30, 2016 18:39
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Brannock posted:Literal leftist authoritarianism is emerging all around, they're panicked and forgetting that they have to actually hide this poo poo everybody should also read The Intercept every day because it's doing the best work in journalism right now Boomstick Quaid posted:I don't think finance capitalists are very "leftist" tell that to Hillary Clinton's enthusiastic supporters, to them nothing is more progressive than taking millions of dollars from Wall Street and being endorsed by people like Charles Koch and Hank Paulson
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Jun 30, 2016 18:49
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Blazing Ownager posted:I want to see a world where the candidates are selected for their achievements, intelligence and knowledge of political issues with no other qualifier and no parties.
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Jun 30, 2016 18:51
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Lichy posted:capitalism is bad you see until the workers rally against it then it's instantly good and the workers are morons CodfishCartographer posted:Could someone please explain to my ignorant american brain who Theresa May is and why she’s terrible? She's more or less in charge of the police, some spies, the courts, immigration, and some other things I've no doubt forgotten. She's kind of a fascist, but then everyone with that job is turned into one within like 2 days tops (see Jacqui Smith in Labour's last government) so I dunno if it's her fault. Maybe they just pick the fascists for it, mind.
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Jun 30, 2016 18:51
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Decebal posted:Jesus, someone actually considering democracy bad and trying to make the idea palatable. A lot of Bernie Sanders fans made/are making similar arguments in the US, although like to be fair they have a point, the current election system is poo poo and leads to the most popular candidate winning instead of the best one.
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Jun 30, 2016 18:53
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Boomstick Quaid posted:I don't think finance capitalists are very "leftist" Lol someone isn't paying attention.
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Jun 30, 2016 18:53
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Blazing Ownager posted:I want to see a world where the candidates are selected for their achievements, intelligence and knowledge of political issues with no other qualifier and no parties.
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Jun 30, 2016 18:58
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ranbo das posted:A lot of Bernie Sanders fans made/are making similar arguments in the US, although like to be fair they have a point, the current election system is poo poo and leads to the most popular candidate winning instead of the best one.
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Jun 30, 2016 18:59
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ranbo das posted:A lot of Bernie Sanders fans made/are making similar arguments in the US, although like to be fair they have a point, the current election system is poo poo and leads to the most popular candidate winning instead of the best one. For sure money has a too big an impact on who wins. But how can that be changed ? No TV channel will run an add for free.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:03
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jBrereton posted:results in people trained to think a certain way that is not necessarily actually effective but is helpfully self-sustaining for people on exam boards. Which is actually a huge problem in China today iirc. Decebal posted:For sure money has a too big an impact on who wins. But how can that be changed ? No TV channel will run an add for free. This is gonna be flawed because it's just off the top of my head but: all donations for a particular race go into a general fund which is then equally distributed among the candidates. Goldman Sachs can't just give Hillary $X, but they can donate $X to the presidential race fund which then funds equal air time for all serious candidates. You'd have to figure out who qualifies as a serious candidate and make sure that isn't prone to fuckery of course. Each candidate can choose how to spend their allotment on their own, but they better use it well rather than just spam ads to overrun the competition because the competition has the same amount of money. e: oh and make it illegal to offer different candidates different pricing; IE Fox can't give Trump prime time air for $1/minute and charge the Dems $100k/minute (dunno if they do just assuming it would happen). Roylicious fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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Jun 30, 2016 19:04
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jBrereton posted:Nobody thinks Hillary is personable and she still saw off Sanders, how do they answer that particular conundrum? I dunno but the one guy who is a real hardcore sanders fan on my facebook is posting about attending the gathering of the juggalos so maybe mental illness? Decebal posted:For sure money has a too big an impact on who wins. But how can that be changed ? No TV channel will run an add for free. You'd have to like cap donations or something but we all know that'll never happen so vov.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:04
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Brannock posted:Literal leftist authoritarianism is emerging all around, they're panicked and forgetting that they have to actually hide this poo poo Democracy has had it's turn. It's corporate fuedalism's time to shine.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:14
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The only real question is which corporation should we pledge our allegiance to? Apple seems to be stumbling lately but they'll probably have super fancy passports.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:15
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I pledge my life and my sword to google. May my children and children's children keep true to my vow.
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Blazing Ownager posted:I want to see a world where the candidates are selected for their achievements, intelligence and knowledge of political issues with no other qualifier and no parties. It sounds great until you realize that achievements don't always translate to ability in a different subject, intelligence is hard to measure, and knowledge of political issues often includes things we later find out were totally loving wrong. Kissenger is a good example of someone that everyone at the time believed had all those things. Turned out made the vietnam war from a set of wrong assumptions and bad intelligence second only to Iraq 2. edit: basically everyone is loving stupid and democracy is good mostly because it collectivizes the blame for our mistakes
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Jun 30, 2016 19:20
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Roylicious posted:The only real question is which corporation should we pledge our allegiance to? Apple seems to be stumbling lately but they'll probably have super fancy passports. How is this even a question? Something Awful LLC of course!
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Decebal posted:Jesus, someone actually considering democracy bad and trying to make the idea palatable. You obviously didn't read the whole long, rambling essay, he actually wants the opposite of a Peerage. His point isn't that we should trust politicians, about 3/4 of the way through he finally gets to the point: he's advocating sortition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition Have a representative random sample of the population join a committee to hash out a particular issue. With or without normally elected representatives also being on the committee. Experts and interested parties make their presentations so the average people in the committee can learn what they need to know to make informed decisions. That way the proposal of the committee should broadly represent the will of the people, if the people had bothered to really learn about the issue. quote:What kind of democracy is appropriate to an era of fast, decentralised communication? How should the government deal with all those articulate citizens who stand shouting from the sidelines? Not sure why they buried the lead with 30,000 words about how elections suck before getting to the point.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:26
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Roylicious posted:Which is actually a huge problem in China today iirc.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:29
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I know no king but the King in the West, whose name is Google
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I swear an oath of vassalage to Coca Cola. death to pepsi!
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Jun 30, 2016 19:33
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City of Tampa posted:tell that to Hillary Clinton's enthusiastic supporters, to them nothing is more progressive than taking millions of dollars from Wall Street and being endorsed by people like Charles Koch and Hank Paulson
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Jun 30, 2016 19:33
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You can actually force broadcasters to play political ads for free by recognizing that the airwaves are a public good and then making a law that charges businesses rent to broadcast over them and then waives the fees if they broadcast political ads. This is hard to do in practice because television channels would not want the lawmakers that would accomplish this to get elected
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Jun 30, 2016 19:33
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Prettz posted:yes because that IS what the progressives are all about and have always been about. they're center-left and vocally proud of it. that's liberals, progressives are supposed to be more working-class oriented but actually none of these terms mean much anymore because they have become labels that finance capitalists and the bourgeois use to get the rubes to keep them in power
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Jun 30, 2016 19:35
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Jose Mengelez posted:I swear an oath of vassalage to Coca Cola. death to pepsi! MY LIFE FOR PEPSI WE SHALL WAGE ENDLESS JIHAD AGAINST THIS CARBONATED SOUTHERN SWILL
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Jun 30, 2016 19:36
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looks like the chilled war is getting lukewarm
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Jun 30, 2016 19:37
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Boomstick Quaid posted:You can actually force broadcasters to play political ads for free by recognizing that the airwaves are a public good and then making a law that charges businesses rent to broadcast over them and then waives the fees if they broadcast political ads. This is hard to do in practice because television channels would not want the lawmakers that would accomplish this to get elected Sorry but nationalizing non-rivalrous public resources like that to prevent private organizations from extracting rent from them is called socialism, friend.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:38
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City of Tampa posted:that's liberals, progressives are supposed to be more working-class oriented edit: if someone says they're "a progressive", you should be suspicious.
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Facebook Aunt posted:You obviously didn't read the whole long, rambling essay Can't blame him Facebook Aunt posted:His point isn't that we should trust politicians, about 3/4 of the way through he finally gets to the point: he's advocating sortition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition This sounds a lot like judicial selection, what stops it from having all the same problems as judicial selection?
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Jun 30, 2016 20:06
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It only took 4 days for The Daily Show and Stephen Colbert to cover the Brexit results (because Trump is an incredibly easy target for liberals and democrats to mock on a daily basis), anyways here they are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNsxCU0glHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRAU6hODSck Junior Jr. fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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Jun 30, 2016 20:26
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im a progressive sjw lol
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Jun 30, 2016 20:28
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This is the worst ive ever seen the regressive LEFT. They know full-well the EU is anti-democratic, and they like it. Because they are anti-democratic. There were a WAVE of articles non-stop spammed to us Australians by our taxpayer-funded ABC and SBS news providers arguing that 'the votes of old people should be worth less' in the wake of Brexit. That Brexit will damage our relations with the UK because of 'their damaged link to the EU'. They are arguing that some people are worth less than others purely on a demographic. Millenials were too lazy to get off their entitled asses to VOTE, while 'old people' WERE. And that is reason enough to protest AGAINST DEMOCRACY. I'm a Millenial, I'm from Australia, and I am appalled that these whiny #remainer cunts DARE advocate the destruction of literally everything the previous generations fought and died to establish, advocating the idea that these previous generations are worth LESS as PEOPLE...Again, this is the regressive left at the worst i've ever seen it. 24:50 onward. nuff said.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:59
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Everything come play PredictIt.  Bet on elections!http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3737765
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