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The Force Awakens was indisputably a film made by committee meant to make the audience feel nostalgic for the OT. It's OK because Abrams excels at making exciting blockbusters movies. I love the brisk pace of TFA. That said, if the other SW movies use the same template it'll be disappointing.
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Neurolimal posted:I think it's fair to consider Cameron's opinion considering he was responsible for a number of iconic scifi movies. Wait, you are claiming that TFA had less room for creativity, since it covers NEW material, while Rogue One, by covering a time period where the visual aesthetic is more set, has MORE? I mean. Uh. Do you have t-shirts and caps printed out that say "I STAND WITH TFA"? Because that is utterly backward and illogically defensive thinking. It's unfair to expect a new film covering new ground to do new things?
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Jun 30, 2016 19:18
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rear end Catchcum posted:And wowzers that some old white dude sided with his other white dude friend. "I liked when the movies had longer shots. Of white people." This is a baaad post my dude
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Jun 30, 2016 19:20
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rear end Catchcum posted:That's fine I'm not going to listen to a taylor swift interview where she comments on queens of the Stone Age just because they happen to work in the same medium. Are you concerned that she might express something to make you feel differently about either her or QOTSA?
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Hat Thoughts posted:This is a baaad post my dude When James Cameron's eaten by an alligator he'll get no sympathy from me.
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If you don't like Avatar and SW movies this genre is probably not for you.
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homullus posted:Wait, you are claiming that TFA had less room for creativity, since it covers NEW material, while Rogue One, by covering a time period where the visual aesthetic is more set, has MORE? It had less available as a result of the character focus, which involves a general, a smuggler, a desert survivor, and imperial children. Those characters demand specific environments, which we get. Rogue One focuses on an aspect of the OT that isn;'t heavily developed; rebel espionage, imperial citizens being alienated, and the environments that create the Empire's war machines. As far as we've seen none of the characters are established figures that demand certain environments. Obviously you could argue that they shouldn't have focused on the prior cast and their children, and I would not deny that it was a cautious decision, but I feel like they do well in using them to advance the generational story. And I find the new environments imaginitive enough to give me hope for the rest of the trilogy.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:34
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euphronius posted:If you don't like Avatar and SW movies this genre is probably not for you. There's a whole other side of the genre that you're dismissing here. Its very possible to love movies like 2001, Brazil, Moon and more recently stuff like Ex Machina and Under the Skin, without being into some of these bigger franchises like Star Wars and Avatar.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:37
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2001 is another amazing movie not edited by an ADD child. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QFj59PON4 Although the Beyond the Infinite sequence is a lot crazier. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou6JNQwPWE0 Edit: Actually, comparing the Stargate sequence of 2001 with the vision sequence in TFA, you actually get to see the crazy stuff in 2001 without needing to pause the video while in TFA it all goes so fast most people have no loving clue what happened. MonsieurChoc fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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Jun 30, 2016 19:55
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Neurolimal posted:It had less available as a result of the character focus, which involves a general, a smuggler, a desert survivor, and imperial children. Those characters demand specific environments, which we get. No, I don't think that's right. ESB and RotJ were both inheriting even more than TFA did, and each showed a great deal more novelty. The characters those movies focused on did not affect their ability to be visually imaginative.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:07
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homullus posted:No, I don't think that's right. ESB and RotJ were both inheriting even more than TFA did, and each showed a great deal more novelty. The characters those movies focused on did not affect their ability to be visually imaginative. The whole premise is flawed. Just because there is a smuggler, a desert survivor, and imperials, the environments are required to have a specific look? Says who?
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Neurolimal posted:It had less available as a result of the character focus, which involves a general, a smuggler, a desert survivor, and imperial children. Those characters demand specific environments, which we get. Even presuming this is true, nothing about TFA necessitated that it contain those specific characters. The producers, screenwriters, and all chose to have it be about those characters. They could have just as easily made the film about different characters, and have different environments as a result. Neurolimal posted:Rogue One focuses on an aspect of the OT that isn;'t heavily developed; rebel espionage, imperial citizens being alienated, and the environments that create the Empire's war machines. As far as we've seen none of the characters are established figures that demand certain environments. Most of those aspects have been developed, but in the PT.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:32
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The hero's journey has to start in a desert, because
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Jun 30, 2016 20:56
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The desert is harsh but pure, and like a cleansing fire the hot sun forges raw and strong heroes. Incidentally I live in the desert. 
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Jun 30, 2016 21:05
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Mace Windu (Sam Jackson) apparently didn't die at all and George Lucas said he approves. http://moviepilot.com/posts/3984612...-is-still-alive https://twitter.com/SamuelLJackson/status/746766223354953728
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Jun 30, 2016 21:06
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Its really not that far-fetched. He could have just grabbed onto a flying car like Anakin did.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:09
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He got electrocuted pretty hard.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:12
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euphronius posted:He got electrocuted pretty hard. So did Luke in RotJ.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:15
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So did Luke!
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Jun 30, 2016 21:21
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gently caress lmao.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:21
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Luke has a way higher saving throw against electrical storms due to his class. Come on now guys.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:23
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I mean we see Palpatine get electrocuted himself pretty heavily, Mace just takes a small blast and falls out the window. A Jedi with his abilities being dead from that is less likely than if he lived.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:38
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Here's a really long shot from a film that takes place in a desert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWq9yOiVe8w
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Jun 30, 2016 21:41
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That whole "Mace Windu is still alive " thing has already been debunked as just fan speculation and the like.
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Basebf555 posted:So did Luke in RotJ. Palpatine was intentionally drawing things out so he could torture Luke. With Mace he just went instantly for the kill shot. Vintersorg posted:Mace Windu (Sam Jackson) apparently didn't die at all and George Lucas said he approves. For the record, George Lucas did not say he approves.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:10
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I think James Cameron is the Proto-Abrams. If you think Cameron's movies are truly in-depth and original consider his most iconic movies are sequels, romantic remakes, or an adult version of Fern Gully. Not to say they aren't entertaining and good movies, but JJ makes the same films and is going down the same career path fast.
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dialhforhero posted:I think James Cameron is the Proto-Abrams. That's really not being fair. One of the sequels I assume you're talking about is T2, a sequel to his own groundbreaking original. Then of course Aliens, which is so highly regarded because of how expertly Cameron changed the original's formula. I'm not sure if you're referring to Titanic as a "romantic remake", but that movie was an incredibly ambitious and risky project. And we're not even discussing True Lies or The Abyss. Lets wait 10 years or so and we'll see what Abrams reputation is, because already his Star Trek films are fading into the background, nobody really thinks they were that good anymore. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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General Dog posted:The hero's journey has to start in a desert, because I wouldn't have a problem with it starting in the desert if the remaining featured locations weren't two boring, indistinct Green Planets followed by Hoth-Except-With-Some-Trees-This-Time. And yeah, it's true that there's nothing in the hero's journey that says it has to start in the desert and there has to be a MacGuffin hidden in a droid and the enemies have to be Imperials flying around in TIE fighters and there has to be an X-wing assault on a planet-destroying superweapon at the end etc. etc. etc. dialhforhero posted:I think James Cameron is the Proto-Abrams. Weak. Basebf555 posted:That's really not being fair. One of the sequels I assume you're talking about is T2, a sequel to his own groundbreaking original. Then of course Aliens, which is so highly regarded because of how expertly Cameron changed the original's formula. J.J. Abrams literally directed The Movie Event of a Generation™. Given that stark fact, it's hard to see how he's not one of the most consequential and beloved filmmakers of all time. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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Cnut the Great posted:Palpatine was intentionally drawing things out so he could torture Luke. With Mace he just went instantly for the kill shot. George Lucas sold Star Wars so his opinion is no longer relevant.
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Yaws posted:George Lucas sold Star Wars so his opinion is no longer relevant. True, but I wasn't aware that Samuel L. Jackson was now the new owner of Star Wars. I think you'll find the owners of Star Wars now are actually the stockholders of Disney.
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"Uh sure Sam, Mace Windu is still alive. It's irrelevant because in all likelihood the new Star Wars movies will never acknowledge the prequels in any meaningful way, but yeah, he totally survived that fall!"
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Jun 30, 2016 22:37
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Even if he survived he would be like 120-ish by TFA. Do Jedi live longer than the average person?
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Guy A. Person posted:Even if he survived he would be like 120-ish by TFA. Do Jedi live longer than the average person? Yoda is like 900 so yeah
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Yaws posted:Yoda is like 900 so yeah Yoda is an alien.
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Cnut the Great posted:Yoda is an alien. That's just what humans look like when they're 900. This is canon.
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Cnut the Great posted:Yoda is an alien. It's a galaxy far far away. They're all aliens. Ferrinus posted:When James Cameron's eaten by an alligator he'll get no sympathy from me. I appreciate this reference.
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dialhforhero posted:I think James Cameron is the Proto-Abrams. None of that says anything about his movies or how they have anything to do with Abrams movies
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Yaws posted:"Uh sure Sam, Mace Windu is still alive. It's irrelevant because in all likelihood the new Star Wars movies will never acknowledge the prequels in any meaningful way, but yeah, he totally survived that fall!" Let's all ignore the fact that Rogue One has a literal prequel-era Clone Wars cartoon character in it
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jivjov posted:Let's all ignore the fact that Rogue One has a literal prequel-era Clone Wars cartoon character in it Agreed on ignoring that.
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Filmmakers often have interesting things to say about films. I feel that Episode VIII is more likely to make direct narrative reference to the prequels than Rogue One is, because Rogue One appears to be consciously invoking pre-Prequels ideas about the rise of the Empire, what with James Earl Jones reprising his role as the voice modulator that Anakin Skywalker uses when killing mercilessly, whereas Episode VIII is inheriting a plotline that is heavily linked to the actual motivations of that character. Mechafunkzilla posted:That's just what humans look like when they're 900. This is canon. Yoda is a muppet. His parents are Kermit the Frog and Miss Piggy.
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