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Rygar201 posted:New one!
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Wow the ravine is a lot larger than I thought it was. Look at all those doors in the background of the last panel.
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ConfusedUs posted:Wow the ravine is a lot larger than I thought it was. Look at all those doors in the background of the last panel. Huh, looks like it curves around too. Also interesting is the fact that O-Chul has a "let's call it a theory" about the MitD. (Besides "a good man", because he says "if I told him".) O-Chul seems old enough that he'd remember Stardust.
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The Super Wizard definitely has all the powers we've seen the MitD use. Good thinking.
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Jun 30, 2016 13:53
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Green Intern posted:The Super Wizard definitely has all the powers we've seen the MitD use. Good thinking. What super wizard?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stardust_the_Super_Wizard
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Apocron posted:What super wizard? Stardust the Super Wizard, a character from a terrible old comic book. I used to think MitD was a Protean, because it fits everything we've seen the MitD do reasonably well. It doesn't fit some of the things other characters have said very well, though, especially in recent strips. The emphasis on how much bigger it will be when it's older, for example, even though the Protean is only Large. And while it's a throwaway joke not directly involving MitD, Redcloak whining that about going through a lot of work to find out if psionics even existed in OotSverse doesn't make much sense if he hangs out with a psionic monster. Also, Spot +55, but it can't notice the Gates? And while detect thoughts explains how it deduces things (e.g., that the ritual was in two parts) that it has no real way of knowing, it has weird implications for the way it interacts with other characters. The easy explanation for much of this is that other characters glimpsed it when it was in a particular form and thus thought it was something other than a Protean, although that feels like cheating. Edit: Just read the entry again, and I guess Advancement means that it can grow to be Huge eventually.
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Silver2195 posted:Stardust the Super Wizard, a character from a terrible old comic book. Oh dang, you're right. But I think all the top choices for MitD are psionic critters. That's concerning.
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Jul 1, 2016 00:58
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ikanreed posted:Oh dang, you're right. But I think all the top choices for MitD are psionic critters. That's concerning. There's a lot of things that come close to fitting but have at least one glaring flaw. The glabrezu, for example, has "penetrating violet eyes."
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ikanreed posted:Oh dang, you're right. But I think all the top choices for MitD are psionic critters. That's concerning. If Redcloak doesn't know MitD is psionic he could still have trouble telling if psionics exist. It's not like he was going to ask MitD.
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I'm telling you, Stardust is the only logical explanation. How does he manipulate multiple objects at once? Attractor rays. Why didn't he leave footprints? Tubular spacial. Why does everyone expect him to get bigger? Because Stardust's proportions vary wildly from panel to panel. How could he make V and O-Chul disappear? Stardust can do literally anything as an ironic punishment for evildoers, and killstealing from Xykon is close enough for that to kick in. It all fits.
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Jul 1, 2016 02:29
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I don't think I'm ready for a stick figure Stardust (the Super Wizard).
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Schwarzwald posted:I don't think I'm ready for a stick figure Stardust (the Super Wizard). Have mercy!
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Silver2195 posted:Protean chat
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NGDBSS posted:To be fair, the Protean can basically assume any size it wants because Alter Shape is a hilariously versatile ability. Additionally, I've gotten the sense that whatever the MitD is it's not fully aware of the crazy stuff it can do. Hence whatever its form, any weird poo poo it can do but hasn't is just in the big collection of "it hadn't tried that yet". Aren't Proteans super chaotic, though? Wouldn't that suggest the MITD would be terrible at Go, which he clearly isn't?
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Kruller posted:Aren't Proteans super chaotic, though? Wouldn't that suggest the MITD would be terrible at Go, which he clearly isn't? I don't know that someones skills at board games is alignment dependent.
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Schwarzwald posted:I don't know that someones skills at board games is alignment dependent. I think they mean it's outsider planar alignment where it starts loving with your ability to interact with reality. The way imp wouldn't have been able to go back on a promise. There's being Durkon, and being an uptight stickler for the rules, and then there's being an auton where your every behavior is dictated by cosmic rules. In the same way, there's being Haley who never feels compelled to follow the rules when she can cheat, and then there's being a protean or slaad for whom the very idea of following rules in a game is an anathema.
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ikanreed posted:I think they mean it's outsider planar alignment where it starts loving with your ability to interact with reality. The way imp wouldn't have been able to go back on a promise. By the same token, couldn't it chaotically decided to follow the rules?
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Part of the mitd's arc is the realization he doesn't have to be the way other people would pigeonhole him to be, so alignment in his case is entirely moot.
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Jul 1, 2016 05:32
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ikanreed posted:In the same way, there's being Haley who never feels compelled to follow the rules when she can cheat, and then there's being a protean or slaad for whom the very idea of following rules in a game is an anathema. Unless they follow the rules anyway cause they don't have to follow the rules of not following the rules. (CHAOS) Edit: poo poo beaten.
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Raenir Salazar posted:By the same token, couldn't it chaotically decided to follow the rules? That would make sense to a chaotic person. To a creature of pure chaos, rules themselves are (often interpreted as) inherently impossible to understand. All of this is very silly, and I'm mostly playing devil's advocate(kinda literally), but it's the whole capital E Evil versus lower case evil for a good cause thing. One is based in the reality of the concept and the other is the literally impossible distilled essence.
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Proteans kind of sound like the Snarl itself: "Slithering creatures of pure chaos, proteans claim they were the masters of the multiverse before the first gods created the other planes from the pure chaos of the primeval beginnings. They seek to tear down the multiverse and restore it to its original chaotic form." Having the MitD be an unknowing spawn of The Protean-Above-All would be kind of fitting.
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Goffer posted:Proteans kind of sound like the Snarl itself: I've always believed the theory that the MitD is a baby Snarl. If he's some random, beefy monster from a 20 year-old splatbook, the reveal doesn't have any emotional or narrative significance. The reveal has to have meaning for ordinary readers of the story, not just hyper-nerds like us who speculate about its identity. If the MitD is a nightmare beast or a protean, it would come out of nowhere and mean nothing to 95% of the strip's readers. The Snarl, by contrast, has been set up over the course of the story as a big scary thing that could destroy the world. If the MitD is related to it, and he's actually "a good man," that's simple and dramatically satisfying for both rules nerds and normal people.
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Ponsonby Britt posted:I've always believed the theory that the MitD is a baby Snarl. If he's some random, beefy monster from a 20 year-old splatbook, the reveal doesn't have any emotional or narrative significance. The reveal has to have meaning for ordinary readers of the story, not just hyper-nerds like us who speculate about its identity. If the MitD is a nightmare beast or a protean, it would come out of nowhere and mean nothing to 95% of the strip's readers. The Snarl, by contrast, has been set up over the course of the story as a big scary thing that could destroy the world. If the MitD is related to it, and he's actually "a good man," that's simple and dramatically satisfying for both rules nerds and normal people. Except it's not actually satisfying for the rules nerds because the rules nerds have all been trying to figure out what it is, based on the clues provided in the strip and taking Rich at his word when he says it's an actual monster from an actual sourcebook and not just something he made up for the story.
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Do sourcebooks bring up baby gods?
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MikeJF posted:Do sourcebooks bring up baby gods? That's what most of the Abominations in the Epic Level Handbook are, after a fashion.
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Ponsonby Britt posted:I've always believed the theory that the MitD is a baby Snarl. If he's some random, beefy monster from a 20 year-old splatbook, the reveal doesn't have any emotional or narrative significance. The reveal has to have meaning for ordinary readers of the story, not just hyper-nerds like us who speculate about its identity. If the MitD is a nightmare beast or a protean, it would come out of nowhere and mean nothing to 95% of the strip's readers. The Snarl, by contrast, has been set up over the course of the story as a big scary thing that could destroy the world. If the MitD is related to it, and he's actually "a good man," that's simple and dramatically satisfying for both rules nerds and normal people. I think it's quite likely that the MitD is related to the Snarl in some fashion, but here's the thing: we don't know what the Snarl really is, either. Presuming that there is a relationship between the two, then revealing that the MitD is some specific monster from an old splatbook would be meaningful, because it would in turn shed some light on just what the Snarl is. MikeJF posted:Do sourcebooks bring up baby gods? There is a monster called an Atropal that's something similar. I remember it was considered a possible candidate for a while, but I think it was eventually discounted for being too overtly antithetical to life.
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Ponsonby Britt posted:I've always believed the theory that the MitD is a baby Snarl. If he's some random, beefy monster from a 20 year-old splatbook, the reveal doesn't have any emotional or narrative significance. The reveal has to have meaning for ordinary readers of the story, not just hyper-nerds like us who speculate about its identity. If the MitD is a nightmare beast or a protean, it would come out of nowhere and mean nothing to 95% of the strip's readers. The Snarl, by contrast, has been set up over the course of the story as a big scary thing that could destroy the world. If the MitD is related to it, and he's actually "a good man," that's simple and dramatically satisfying for both rules nerds and normal people. this is also a really good point
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Guys guys guys. He's the Dark One.
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the JJ posted:Guys guys guys. A divine avatar!
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MikeJF posted:Do sourcebooks bring up baby gods?
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Ponsonby Britt posted:I've always believed the theory that the MitD is a baby Snarl. If he's some random, beefy monster from a 20 year-old splatbook, the reveal doesn't have any emotional or narrative significance. The reveal has to have meaning for ordinary readers of the story, not just hyper-nerds like us who speculate about its identity. If the MitD is a nightmare beast or a protean, it would come out of nowhere and mean nothing to 95% of the strip's readers. The Snarl, by contrast, has been set up over the course of the story as a big scary thing that could destroy the world. If the MitD is related to it, and he's actually "a good man," that's simple and dramatically satisfying for both rules nerds and normal people. In SoD, there are hunters who recognize his species. The Snarl being a big secret would be somewhat at odds with that.
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Another way to make the MitD's reveal matter: inside one of the many doors, he'll finally be reunited with his mom and/or dad.
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I mean it's gonna matter because it will be at the moment he realizes he doesn't have to be in the darkness because has no real reason to listen to what Xykon tells him.
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Jul 2, 2016 13:27
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The monster on the dark is a human.
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Jul 2, 2016 14:29
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The MitD is a Flumph with more templates than the "illogical glory" snail.
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"holds up reflective Time Magazine cover" The MitD is you!
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Heatwizard posted:In SoD, there are hunters who recognize his species. The Snarl being a big secret would be somewhat at odds with that. I'm not certain that it would. The very fact that the Snarl is a big secret would mean that even the people who know recognize the MotD's species wouldn't know it's significance.
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Schwarzwald posted:I'm not certain that it would. The very fact that the Snarl is a big secret would mean that even the people who know recognize the MotD's species wouldn't know it's significance. They didn't just recognize "hey a weird thing" they, they knew enough to call it the wrong habitat for him to be in.
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