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Trundel posted:I'm not too familiar with Battletech besides how the game functions, could you give examples of what an acceptable demand would be for some of those options? Yea, the Rim Worlders are about to wipe out the only way the clan ground forces have to get out of this star system. I think they (clans) still have their dropships, since it was mentioned that only a couple were still in orbit, but that means they aren't leaving if Amaris doesn't want them to leave. I guess an important question too is what the clans are challenging the Demon Hawks to- A fight to the death? Getting taken prisoner?
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Gwaihir posted:Yea, the Rim Worlders are about to wipe out the only way the clan ground forces have to get out of this star system. I think they (clans) still have their dropships, since it was mentioned that only a couple were still in orbit, but that means they aren't leaving if Amaris doesn't want them to leave. They don't get to pick. They challenged us, we get to set the terms. It's like a gentlemanly southern duel. [EDIT]Oh man, could we actually challenge them to a regular old timey duel and then just bring those assault needlers that are on fire someone was talking about?
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So I take it that literally no-one but our protagonists has any idea just what the gently caress happened? Like Amaris said, I think this is the first recorded case of one Jumpship telefragging another. Those Clanners have got to be collectively making GBS threads themselves right about now, we just Alt-F4ed their flagship from existence. Bloody Pom fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 00:17
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Challenge them to an Inferno match, only flamers.
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Was that an intrasystem jump by the Rim Worlds Jumpship that destroyed the McKenna? How did they know when to jump if they were incoming from another system? Asking the important questions here.
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Jul 1, 2016 00:22
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1B) Not no but HELL NO They don't come to us, we come for them. Let's not sink to their level. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Jul 2, 2016 |
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Saint Celestine posted:Was that an intrasystem jump by the Rim Worlds Jumpship that destroyed the McKenna? How did they know when to jump if they were incoming from another system? HPGs are faster than light and synchronized clocks. Which may not work in practice due to time-travel shenanigans but the RWR is explicitly studying hyperspace to presumably something's working the way it should be.
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Saint Celestine posted:Was that an intrasystem jump by the Rim Worlds Jumpship that destroyed the McKenna? How did they know when to jump if they were incoming from another system? HPGs are FTL communication (and therefore violate causality, but then, so do jumpships). Once Amaris could plot a predictable vector for the McKenna (much easier to do when a ship has taken up an orbit, and even more so when it's only a thinly viable orbital path through a lot of dangerous debris that surrounds that path), the HPG could send the coordinate and vector plot for the McKenna, and then the suicide ship jumps using that data ASAP. It's a fantastically expensive suicide bomb you wouldn't use against small jumpships, but taking out a capital ship for the cost of your smallest jumpship is worth it. e. F, beaten. So I'll just point out also that radio, being exactly the same form of electromagnetic energy as light, travels at light speed: so if you're 3 light hours from the planet, you absolutely can get news from that planet in exactly three hours. Plus however long it takes someone to talk into a microphone.
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Jul 1, 2016 00:27
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dis astranagant posted:Not no but HELL NO Yeah gently caress em. Voting no. We're mercenaries, we kill for pay. Though voting yes, then picking a field with a buried nuke under it and sending a bunch of cargo loaders or w/e does have a sneaky appeal. E: ptn are you able to let us know what difference if any the additional minute would have made?
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Jul 1, 2016 00:30
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Oh the ancient re-discovered art of Telefragging  Voting No for the vote if only because I'm having a hard time coming up with something amusing to challenge the Clans to/bid for.
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Leperflesh posted:So I'll just point out also that radio, being exactly the same form of electromagnetic energy as light, travels at light speed: so if you're 3 light hours from the planet, you absolutely can get news from that planet in exactly three hours. Plus however long it takes someone to talk into a microphone. They're more than three hours away and presumably the WarShips are using directional transmissions which would take a little longer to set up.
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I'm guessing the successful telefragging is the result of the Demon Hawks being able to hold on for 6 turns before evacuating. So now the real question is... what would have happened if we'd managed to defy the odds and pull off the full 12?
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Zaodai posted:They don't get to pick. They challenged us, we get to set the terms. It's like a gentlemanly southern duel. Yea, but I mean aren't challenges usually for a specific purpose? Like, angry clanner:"I challenge you to a trial of possession for that delicious pizza!" Mercs: "OK, I accept, the trial will be competitive beer chugging."
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sebmojo posted:E: ptn are you able to let us know what difference if any the additional minute would have made? Why worry about what might have been? Probably someone would've been captured and you'd have been forced to vote 'yes' for a chance to get them back
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W.T. Fits posted:I'm guessing the successful telefragging is the result of the Demon Hawks being able to hold on for 6 turns before evacuating. I'm willing to bet the James McKenna would have moved into position early, giving us a front-row seat for the space wedgie.
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Well, THAT was one hell of a way to handle things. And for Amaris, cost-effective. They probably just used $300-$400 million to destroy $21.4 billion. Good exchange, but that took a lot of guts. Also 1A, hell yes, gotta kick the Clans while they're down. Offer to take on a cluster's worth of Mechs, and demand territory on their homeworld. Let's see if they're stupid enough to take that.
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I, too, would like to know the alternative Amaris would give us if we declined the clans, if possible. I didn't see PTN answer this question.
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Ice Fist posted:I, too, would like to know the alternative Amaris would give us if we declined the clans, if possible. Back to business as usual. 
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Jul 1, 2016 00:39
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1B Make it a casually dismissive refusal. The Clans aren't worth the effort of acknowledging their primitive traditions. No war but total war; that's the real Star League way.
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Business as usual has been highly lucrative for the Demon Hawks so far, so once again I suggest that we tell the Clanners exactly where they can stick their challenge. We're here to make bank and a name for ourselves, not to play their games.
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Gwaihir posted:Yea, but I mean aren't challenges usually for a specific purpose? In this case they're just challenging us for the honor of killing us. So a ToP for our lives and glory.
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Tempest_56 posted:Well, THAT was one hell of a way to handle things. And for Amaris, cost-effective. They probably just used $300-$400 million to destroy $21.4 billion. Good exchange, but that took a lot of guts. P sure that's no in the scope of what a cluster could do. There's a decent chance that's not in the scope of what a single Clan can do without the homeworld clans devouring you both.
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I suggest that if we wisely reject the Clan challenges, we send them the following as our response with no context: The Clans love challenging people to trials and poo poo without explaining them. Why not send them a cat meme response without explaining it? gently caress 'em, right in the mind.
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Depends if they've got any radioactive hellholes they're not using.
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Would taking on the Khan and their Trinary be worth taking the Clan as bondsmen? I mean, if you won, you'd have effectively fought a Trial of Position, right? That's about the only way I'd vote yes.
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dis astranagant posted:P sure that's no in the scope of what a cluster could do. There's a decent chance that's not in the scope of what a single Clan can do without the homeworld clans devouring you both. A Clan could be challenged for a piece of its territory on Strana Mechty, but a merc unit of all things pulling that off would both humiliate the Clan tremendously and probably piss off all the other Clans. There'd be nothing stopping them from challenging everyone involved over and over again. Coffeehitler posted:Would taking on the Khan and their Trinary be worth taking the Clan as bondsmen? I mean, if you won, you'd have effectively fought a Trial of Position, right? That's about the only way I'd vote yes. You can't fight a Trial of Position if you're not already a part of that Clan. All you'd end up doing is making their old saKhan the new Khan.
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yes, the 'no' has to be simultaneously contemptuous, dismissive, and confusing. e: plot the course of the destroyed prow of the McKenna and say we will meet them at the place and time where it impacts the earth. Then don't show, obviously.
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So Stefan Amaris VI is Christoph Waltz, right? That's the voice I heard while I was reading. I like challenging a clan and bidding down to just Dadlass. But that's how the Clans work, not mercs. What I like for the mercs is: ask for money, rare expensive alcohol, women (sorry, casual 80s space misogyny, sadface), their best chefs & musicians & dancers, decadent holiday spaceships, right of passage to anywhere. Because mercs are here for a job, so if they're going all in they want a *retirement package*. And also confusing the poo poo out of the clans by caring about the things that their warriors don't, because let's not pretend that these mercs understand Clan bidding culture. I think the actual response should be the casually dismissive 1B: ".... do you even have anything that we want?"
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Yeah the key thing to understand about the Clanner system is that it has this veneer of fairness, what with bidding down your forces etc., but it's not actually fair at all. It's dumb system and if you decide to play in it you're going to get screwed.
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Coffeehitler posted:Would taking on the Khan and their Trinary be worth taking the Clan as bondsmen? I mean, if you won, you'd have effectively fought a Trial of Position, right? That's about the only way I'd vote yes. Bondsmen lose their rank, and a Trial of Position is usually against the other contenders for the position, rather than being a "you keep what you kill" Klingon style promotion.
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Can we ask our pet clanners what the consequences of our casual/contemptuous refusal would be?
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sebmojo posted:Can we ask our pet clanners what the consequences of our casual/contemptuous refusal would be? Same as they were otherwise. The Clans keep trying to kill us. What are they going to do about it? Go home? They have nothing to offer or anything to threaten. They'll just get butthurt. In the Clan system, that's really your only option. If the other side refuses to come to your tea party, you get to sit and cry. At least outside of Clan Space where you can't have a trial of annihilation temper tantrum.
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sebmojo posted:Can we ask our pet clanners what the consequences of our casual/contemptuous refusal would be? We lose honor! This is what the clan system really boils down to:
If you don't care about the honor of victory by trials, then the only thing you can gain is temporary loot or position or whatever, plus a bigger target painted on your back.
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Accept 1 challenge and the other dozen won't stop til you take them all or they get scared after you take out all their betters.
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sebmojo posted:Can we ask our pet clanners what the consequences of our casual/contemptuous refusal would be? I think it's pretty obvious that the units facing us would be even more crazed/enraged then they already are.
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dis astranagant posted:Accept 1 challenge and the other dozen won't stop til you take them all or they get scared after you take out all their betters. Yeah, that's the gist of it isn't it. We're as king poo poo now as we're ever going to be, so why buy into their bullshit values?
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1B. gently caress off, Clanners. So the James McKenna was the Flagship, wasn't it? So more or less every important Clan head honcho in the area was onboard that thing when it went up in flames?
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Ooh, 76 new posts! An update must hav- *reads update* ArbitraryTA posted:
Um. Yup. Jesus Christ. And I thought the boomdoggies were already taking Clan trolling to a new level. I obviously wasn't thinking large-scale enough. Coffeehitler posted:The biggest Boom Doggie of them all. Yeah, this. sebmojo posted:Can we ask our pet clanners what the consequences of our casual/contemptuous refusal would be? I'm thinking more of asking the bondsmen what we could theoretically ask for if we were to accept such a challenge. I'm still holding on to my vote for now until we can figure out if we can accept the challenge and bend the rules of engagement to our advantage. I'm leaning towards rejecting as well, but wanted to see if we can try to match the epic trolljob Amaris has been doing to date. 
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1B) No, your ships in system are being destroyed, we stand to gain nothing that we won't already be able to take from you by force. You are trapped here in a hell of your own making. Lay down arms and surrender, integrate into the NRWR republic, your clan will not come back for you.
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Yes, and we fight a trinary. Demands: I think we can ask for 15 pristine clan mechs if we win? also the mechwarrior in the hellstar from the airport raid must participate and will become and bondsman and stuff if we win. We are greedy mercs, let us get some more sweet rear end clan tech mechs for ourselves.
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