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HEY GAL posted:i want to live here one day (if anyone sees any european history-related jobs hit me up), i'm not going to do things that are against the law here, like customs fraud This place seems to have funded history research projects, my friend is there now and doing a PhD(medieval history), he gets paid about 3000€/month for three years or so. http://www.uni-greifswald.de/
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Kemper Boyd posted:Guy I worked with talked about some idiot co-workers of his who got cut-resistant gloves from their employer and decided to test them by having one guy holding on tight to a knife and one guy yanking it out. When you handle sharp tools, you have to be aware of the edge and treat it with respect. Normally, if you grab it by the side, no-one can take it from you. Just don't let it slip. Even if you press on the cutting edge, it won't cut you, but for the love of God, don't let it slip. I once knew a fellow in college who picked up a very large horizontal mill tool. 15 lb or so helical cutter. You normally hold them with a shop rag but he chose not to. It slid right through his hands like a razor. Tendons survived, the skin did not. I would like to describe the sound as "shloup" followed by "bang" as the tool hit the floor, then obscenities. Not much pain, but a lot of blood. It's all in the grip.
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Yeah thanks for that Tarantino.
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mostlygray posted:Normally, if you grab it by the side, no-one can take it from you. Just don't let it slip. Even if you press on the cutting edge, it won't cut you, but for the love of God, don't let it slip. edit: I dunno, this dagger's kind of growing on me. I'll take it to the next reenactment i go to and ask people what they think, and see how it handles if I get into a knife fight. the daggers in this painting (the pikeman, the child) are pretty big 
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Jun 26, 2016 10:34
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HEY GAL posted:i'd think one difficulty with grabbing the other guy's sword is overcoming the psychological resistance. definitely your instincts aren't going to be down with this I've seen a lot of beginners in fencing reflexively try and protect themselves from stabs with their off hand. Probably not quite the same since there are no sharp edges involved, but I wouldn't be too sure about psychological resistances. edit: Also post a pic of the drat dagger already
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so, as of the late 19th century at least one spaniard was not only still duelling with goddamn sail-hilted left-hand daggers, but he or she commissioned at least two of them with 21 inch long blades that might have been adapted from a model 1886 French Lebel bayonet. http://www.cutandparry.com/Daggers.html first entry on this page whenever i see some weapons related thing that's really well made but also 100% mentally insane, it is usually spanish HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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HEY GAL posted:so, as of the late 19th century at least one spaniard was not only still duelling with goddamn sail-hilted left-hand daggers, but he or she commissioned at least two of them with 21 inch long blades that might have been adapted from a model 1886 French Lebel bayonet. IIRC, Spain's fencing enthusiasts were always fairly conservative, weren't they? I remember reading somewhere that Spanish fencers tended to be more "traditional" and preferred to keep the old style of rapier fighting for quite a long time after it had fallen out of fashion throughout the rest of Europe.
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Grenrow posted:IIRC, Spain's fencing enthusiasts were always fairly conservative, weren't they? I remember reading somewhere that Spanish fencers tended to be more "traditional" and preferred to keep the old style of rapier fighting for quite a long time after it had fallen out of fashion throughout the rest of Europe. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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Frosted Flake posted:I also know that people were much smaller back then. The Landesmuseum in Emden, where the Wittstock dudes ended up, has a whole shitton of sets of armor, many of which are perfectly my size. (I know this because they have one you can try on, not a repro.) As the camera pans in the below link, look at the delicacy of the pikemen's sets of armor on the back wall. http://www.landesmuseum-emden.de/31-0-33 edit: their wine glasses were bigger than ours tho https://www.wulflund.com/ceramics-and-glass/historical-glass/roemer-renaissance-large-glass-goblet-exact-replica.html/ green glass with little blobs on it is ubiquitous in this period, you can see a tumbler with that technique in the Frank Soldatentanz HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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Jun 27, 2016 01:13
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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:edit: Also post a pic of the drat dagger already  current length of blade: 11.6" current length of entire thing: 16.7"  detail of point. I can also fit one of the blunts I have on there like halfway. So the dagger I have now has a recut, repurposed blade, which is 30yw as hell.
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HEY GAL posted:too late, i dremelled it down: Looks cool as hell, and i'm pretty sure cut down and re-purposed swords, daggers, and axes have been a thing since they existed.
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and it'll now fit along the small of my back or on my hip, ready to get drawn during a fight about all of the dumb bullshit these people get into fights about  edit: this thing is stout enough that if that were a real point, it'd have a nice taper on it and be a pretty hardcore little thrusting blade. 
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Jun 27, 2016 20:03
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HEY GAL posted:and it'll now fit along the small of my back or on my hip, ready to get drawn during a fight about all of the dumb bullshit these people get into fights about Don't carry anything along the small of the back, unless you're really into getting your kidneys bruised or a spinal injury.
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where should i put it, do you think? my sword will be hanging low on my left hip on a baldric edit: one of these baldrics, in fact. "Tan Buckled Infantry baldric," second in the list. http://www.karlrobinson.co.uk/other_stuff_baldrics.php The one without the buckle was cheaper but I didn't trust it not to be too big for me because English 17th c reenactors are all fatties who can't fight HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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Jun 27, 2016 20:27
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HEY GAL posted:and it'll now fit along the small of my back or on my hip, ready to get drawn during a fight about all of the dumb bullshit these people get into fights about Jimmy Page and Yolandi Visser in that pic. Strange stuff.
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JaucheCharly posted:Jimmy Page and Yolandi Visser in that pic. Strange stuff.
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I'd try hanging it diagonally in front of my right hip. (Gotta get that phallic imagery going.) Anywhere on the left is probably going to get tangled in the baldric, and wearing it on the back is, like Kemper said, a Poor Idea because it only takes some horse dung and you're lying on it. Anyway, why is there a zombie playing cards? Spooky.
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Speaking of zombies, why are there still characters in movies and games swinging samurai swords like it's the 90s?
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HEY GAL posted:where should i put it, do you think? my sword will be hanging low on my left hip on a baldric Right side, vertically, since then you can pull the dagger with one neat movement and then plant it in someone's forehead or eye.
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Kemper Boyd posted:...and then plant it in someone's forehead or eye. also, then i could shift the butt forward to draw with my left hand for swordfighting edit: here's a dude with the dagger worn at the small of the back tho. not saying it was correct, just that it was period correct 
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So, Rodrigo Diaz just told me about a fencing manual, Compendio y Philosophia y destreza de las Armas (1625). The illustrations that survive are 20th century tracings of the lost 17th century original. They're pretty sassy.  "This kills the Spaniard." http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Octavio_Ferrara
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We're Spanish especially noted for using rapiers? That looks like an anti rapier counter measure, whereas a cutting sword just whips round and gets you in the back.
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"this kills the [x]" is a meme, but the spanish love rapiers and kept using them after everyone else had switched to smallswords or the ancestors of modern fencing swords https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1que42/whats_the_original_story_behind_this_kills_the/ edit: pictured, this thread 
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I'm the guy idly stabbing the wall
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Is there a term for the swordplay version of "negligent discharge"?
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Is there a term for the swordplay version of "negligent discharge"? ow, my spleen
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HEY GAL posted:edit: pictured, this thread This is an outrage. Thats 18th century you crumbum. Hazzard posted:That looks like an anti rapier counter measure, whereas a cutting sword just whips round and gets you in the back. What the gently caress are you talking about.
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Hazzard posted:We're Spanish especially noted for using rapiers? That looks like an anti rapier counter measure, Yes, it's from a fencing treatise about dueling with rapiers.
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EvanSchenck posted:Yes, it's from a fencing treatise about dueling with rapiers. Rodrigo Diaz posted:What the gently caress are you talking about.
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trip report: most of you will probably not carry your swords outdoors, nor are you in the habit of assaulting small German towns by wading the moat, which is what I did this morning. But for those of you who are worried about weather and water, I don't think the rayskin Danelli uses for grips is colorfast; in areas it's faded from black to a sort of bluish grey after six months of use. I like this, but you guys might not.
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I was wrong about the pewter tips, it wasn't Danelli, it was an Italian whose name I have forgotten. And on the other point, is a rapier actually any threat aside from the point? I assumed it wasn't, because a fencing master said to use your offhand to palm away thrusts to the chest. That's why I thought the afore mentioned image showed a move that wouldn't work against a cut and thrust sword.
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The shape of the blade and the weight distribution make a stereotypical rapier bad at cutting off limbs, but It's still a sharp piece of metal (at least partway down the blade, anyway) that will leave a nasty gash on your face if you aren't careful. I mean, you can't really chop people up with a kitchen knife either, but... 
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HEY GAL posted:I remember hearing that Callot actually was embedded with an army at some point though. And although his war engravings aren't close-ups like Franck's are, he's not bad at facial expressions--look at the face of the musketeer who's coming up the slope on the left side of this picture, below the condemned man and the monk: 
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Can you move in armor? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-bnM5SuQkI
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Hazzard posted:And on the other point, is a rapier actually any threat aside from the point? I assumed it wasn't, because a fencing master said to use your offhand to palm away thrusts to the chest. That's why I thought the afore mentioned image showed a move that wouldn't work against a cut and thrust sword. http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Octavio_Ferrara If I'm understanding the website correctly, 16r and 17r are a two-image sequence.  Goofus (right) has attacked by lunging, but Gallant (left) parried the thrust. There is no risk of Gallant being cut in this position, because his own blade and the hilt are closing that line. In part two, Gallant has moved slightly closer to Goofus and is using his left hand to control Goofus's sword, again meaning there is no risk of his being cut. Now that he no longer needs his sword to protect him, he's free to thrust it through Goofus's face. Throughout the sequence, Gallant is entirely safe from being cut, and it would work similarly against any variety of sword in that particular context.
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So if I've asked a Polish dude to make me a scabbard for my dagger in the style of the early 17th century Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and he says "I'll do the job and you rebuker photos," I know that's good, but what does he want from me? My weapons will then be: Italian sword of good quality, scabbard that looks like it was made by a peasant, English baldric, Italian dagger that's plain and workmanlike and doesn't match the sword, P/L scabbard of high quality. These'll go along with my equally heterogeneous clothing.
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How prevalent was slave ownership in the Kingdom of Jerusalem?
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Someone sell me on the smallsword. I know it's fast, it just looks pathetic. Rapiers can kill people and also look like something that can kill people. Why walk around with a tiny little blade on your hip?
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HEY GAL posted:Someone sell me on the smallsword. I know it's fast, it just looks pathetic. Rapiers can kill people and also look like something that can kill people. Why walk around with a tiny little blade on your hip? So you're not accidentally poking people with your long noodly rapier whenever you turn around on a crowded street. Manners, please.
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P-Mack posted:So you're not accidentally poking people with your long noodly rapier whenever you turn around on a crowded street. Manners, please.
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