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Riso posted:But then the nameless unaccountable bureaucrats lose power. And you get into the whole problem of unequal representation of people by each MEP Hmmm it's almost like the EU has faults that need fixing, but don't prevent it from being better than not having the EU.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Riso posted:But then the nameless unaccountable bureaucrats lose power. And you get into the whole problem of unequal representation of people by each MEP lol, it's the product of national governments jealously guarding their power, not of the perfidious Brussels eurocrats. People conveniently forget that all the fundamental rules and decisions shaping the Union have been made unanimously by government officials of its members.
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Riso posted:But then the nameless unaccountable bureaucrats lose power. And you get into the whole problem of unequal representation of people by each MEP Ah yes, those nameless unaccountable bureaucrats in the Council.
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The European Parliament isn't where it needs to be yet, but it did receive greater authority in the last European elections. That, and the Commission President became a de facto elected position. So let's not pretend things haven't been getting better in some regards. The concern should be that we don't stop here.
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Jun 29, 2016 19:17
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Dawncloack posted:It's not neglected and toothless, it's pointless. When it comes to trade agreements, the EC and the Council decide without even asking the EP its opinion. It's like this by design. Approval of the European Parliament is actually necessary to conclude a trade agreement. To be sure its approval coming only after the negotiating process means it has less influence on the contents of the treaty than it would otherwise, but delegating the ability to negotiate trade agreements to the executive is pretty standard, see e.g. fast-track authority in the US. Otherwise no treaty would ever get concluded. But you can't say the EP is left out of the process entirely ( and the Commission will keep the EP informed anyway, since there's no point in concluding an agreement that would get shot down instantly in the EP). The dispute on CETA is whether it is merely a trade agreement, which can be approved through Community procedures, or a mixed agreement, which requires the approval of all the member states and would in the current climate probably make it dead on arrival.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Approval of the European Parliament is actually necessary to conclude a trade agreement. I am always happy to learn. Can you source me that?
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Baxta posted:Are you doing the American thing where you confuse Spain with South America and Mexico or are you just jealous of siesta time? I don't think this happens
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Dawncloack posted:I am always happy to learn. Can you source me that? The legal basis for the role of the EP are the articles 207 and 218 of the TFEU (Lisbon Treaty). As explained here (.pdf), these articles apply as follows: quote:Arguably, the most important authority of the EP in EU trade policy is its newly acquired veto power over international trade agreements. As stipulated in the Lisbon Treaty, Here's a flyer produced by the Commission outlining the actual negotiation process. Since CETA includes ISDS the member states have good reasons for wanting to approve it in their own parliaments. The Commission on the other hand essentially argues that it was part of the negotiating mandate. ITs case is made here.
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Didn't the EP say in 2015 that ISDS were not permissible and that a different system to handle disputes was needed?
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Cat Mattress posted:Didn't the EP say in 2015 that ISDS were not permissible and that a different system to handle disputes was needed? Yup. quote:(xv) to ensure that foreign investors are treated in a non-discriminatory fashion, while benefiting from no greater rights than domestic investors, and to replace the ISDS system with a new system for resolving disputes between investors and states which is subject to democratic principles and scrutiny, where potential cases are treated in a transparent manner by publicly appointed, independent professional judges in public hearings and which includes an appellate mechanism, where consistency of judicial decisions is ensured, the jurisdiction of courts of the EU and of the Member States is respected, and where private interests cannot undermine public policy objectives; As far as I'm aware the EU position in the TTIP negotiations as a result now is that there should be a permanent Investment Court instead of ad hoc tribunals, but I haven't really been following them closely. Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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Jun 30, 2016 08:00
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GaussianCopula posted:If there were a left-wing economist who would come up with a proposal that is not politically toxic, they would have massive influence. But all they come up with is "redistribute wealth" on a global scale. That's because there is no other answer. The exact mechanism and numbers for the wealth redistribution can vary, but that fundamental can not.
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I think it's important to distinguish globalization from neo liberal policies. Increased trade has benefited both the rich and poor worlds; the distribution of those gains to the very top is not a natural law. It's just how the distributive policies worked out. I don't think the left should cede international trade to the right like they've ceded religion.
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Arglebargle III posted:I think it's important to distinguish globalization from neo liberal policies. Increased trade has benefited both the rich and poor worlds; the distribution of those gains to the very top is not a natural law. It's just how the distributive policies worked out. The problem the left has now and has had for decades is that it does not have a workable implementation of socialism to put forwards as a full alternative to neoliberalism, merely small fixes and corrections
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Well they better come up quickly with something. The left is only gaining ground in gender and minority policies. Jobs will be scarce as gold and we'll work endless hours for pittance. Ten corporations will rule the world with barely any middle class to bridge the gap between millionaires and the poor. But you'll be able to buy pot in supermarkets and non-binary couples will be able to adopt so it will even out. 
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Nah, the masses will not work at all because there is nothing they can do a robot wont do better or at least cheaper. The the 0,01% can choose to either placate the masses with pot and VR porn, or set their robot armies to the task of genocide. That is our future unless the left wins.
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icantfindaname posted:The problem the left has now and has had for decades is that it does not have a workable implementation of socialism to put forwards as a full alternative to neoliberalism, merely small fixes and corrections Making the rich pay taxes isn't THAT complicated, though to be fair it is nearly impossible so you have a point.
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icantfindaname posted:The problem the left has now and has had for decades is that it does not have a workable implementation of socialism to put forwards as a full alternative to neoliberalism, merely small fixes and corrections If we could burn the IMF and World Bank's ideological mandate and make the WTO actually about free trade instead of 'haha gently caress you third world' then that would be a start.
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Obviously the answer is to kill the kulaks.
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More like tax the kulaks on their property, profits, and inheritance.
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icantfindaname posted:The problem the left has now and has had for decades is that it does not have a workable implementation of socialism to put forwards as a full alternative to neoliberalism, merely small fixes and corrections What's wrong with the nordic model? Also, they are not just some small fixes and corrections. For example: Fund your goddamn schools. The Wire should be an anti-American propaganda piece made in the CCCP ca. 1960, not a semi-realistic depiction of modern American society. You are one of the richest countries in the world, you have so much wealth that you don't even know what to do with it, wasting it on retarded kickstarter projects, colon cleanings and Trump steaks. Fund your schools! doverhog posted:Nah, the masses will not work at all because there is nothing they can do a robot wont do better or at least cheaper. The the 0,01% can choose to either placate the masses with pot and VR porn, or set their robot armies to the task of genocide. That is our future unless the left wins. I'm protected. 
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waitwhatno posted:What's wrong with the nordic model? Baltimore spends $15,000 per student, the second highest expenditure in the country. Try again.
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School expenditure alone is not the Nordic model. The Nordic model is a welfare state with single payer healthcare, among other things.
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doverhog posted:Nah, the masses will not work at all because there is nothing they can do a robot wont do better or at least cheaper. The the 0,01% can choose to either placate the masses with pot and VR porn, or set their robot armies to the task of genocide. That is our future unless the left wins. My point was that this will be our future regardless of who wins, the left included. Unless they come up quickly with a different economic model.
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Dmitri-9 posted:Baltimore spends $15,000 per student, the second highest expenditure in the country. Try again. Soooo ... what's your point exactly? That there are no underfunded schools in Baltimore?
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waitwhatno posted:Soooo ... what's your point exactly? That there are no underfunded schools in Baltimore?
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waitwhatno posted:Soooo ... what's your point exactly? That there are no underfunded schools in Baltimore? Well you're the one who brought up The Wire, set in Baltimore! And no, these days there's been a specific joint state-city effort to up the level of funding of schools in Baltimore, including heavy reinvestment in schools that were neglected for many many years.
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https://twitter.com/MKarnitschnig/status/748819599135608832 Austria not gonna give up all the spotlight to perfidious Albion it seems.
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GaussianCopula posted:https://twitter.com/MKarnitschnig/status/748819599135608832 Hahaha Europe is so hosed What's the process like for immigrating to Canada?
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GaussianCopula posted:https://twitter.com/MKarnitschnig/status/748819599135608832 Watch Austria elect
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GaussianCopula posted:https://twitter.com/MKarnitschnig/status/748819599135608832 Why did they overturn it?
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So, is the far right going to win the do over?
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YF-23 posted:Why did they overturn it?
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YF-23 posted:Why did they overturn it? Improper and/or illegal handling of postal votes (which favoured the Green candidate by a large margin). There doesn't appear to be any actual evidence of fraud, but if I understood that article correctly, by Austrian law there doesn't need to be. The possibility that enough irregularities were present to swing the election result was sufficient to quash the outcome. @Baloogan: The chance of that happening is about a coin-toss.
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Another reason is that countrywide results were published four hours before voting finished.
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In other news,quote:Czech President Milos Zeman has called for the Czech Republic to hold a referendum on its membership of the European Union and NATO following Britain's shock vote to leave the EU, though he said he backed his country staying in both organizations.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9nqwf4s9Dw
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Funny video that was linked in the UKMT thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGvZil0qWPg The beginning is all leftist economics, so you might want to skip that because it's boring by now, but after minute 18 it becomes pretty interesting because Blyth is basically saying the same thing everyone else in Europe is saying, that Greece hosed themselves and need to come up with a business plan for their country, but instead the political parties are just protecting their clients.
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Cat Mattress posted:Isn't Miloš Zeman a devout Putinist? That article says quote:He has also stirred concern in some Western capitals for holding views sympathetic to Russia in the Ukraine conflict, although the Prague government, which runs foreign policy, has strictly upheld the EU policy of sanctions against Moscow.
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