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Choyi posted:At least for Empire and Chaos its worth to recruit a second lord on turn 1 for various reasons. 'Get a castellan Engineer/treasurer/new horde on turn 1' is pretty different from 'recruit another army on turn 1 always' though. I've done 3 or so empire starts and never really fought greenskins outside of the one settlement near marienburg so I didn't think about interception. VCs it'd be decent too probably, you'd be able to go north while finishing off castle templehof, and everything you can recruit that early you can just raise anyway. drat, now I want to try that but my internet is being hot garbage and I've been downloading the patch all day. I agree completely that you need to get a second stack going early, it's just that turn 1 seems a bit ambitious for most factions. Does a T1 engineer pay itself off? A lord is like 250 upkeep and 1000 to recruit, you'd need to spend about 12 grand in one turn for the -10% to pay itself ignoring the increase to other units' upkeep. You'd easily enough spend that on getting Reikland set up, but every turn is another ~2000 you need to dump into the province to pay it back if you're doing it primarily for econ reasons. I guess it doesn't matter if making him treasurer pays for the upkeep since you can just boot him between offices before ending turn.
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Chaos as and the Vamp counts are dead and now everyone previously scared and in a defensive alliance with me have declared war on me, including the Dwarves. Should've kept chapboy around until I was positioned for this.
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Jul 1, 2016 07:55
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Hpw should I use Varghulfs versus Crypt Horrors? They seem to have similar roles.
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Jul 1, 2016 08:30
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Varghulfs you can throw headlong into enemy lines and they'll come out fresh as a daisy and if they don't, their natural regeneration will sort them out before too long. Crypt horrors aren't quite as good in prolonged engagements but if yiu can get them to charge into back lines they will gently caress poo poo up. Varghulfs are more like shock troops while crypt horrors are more analogous to cavalry. There is definitely some overlap tho
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Alright just tried to run a Very Hard Campaign as Chaos and obviously I simply am not skilled enough to pull it off... manged to wipe out the Norsca tribes with Shoggoth and Sigvald and got my awakened tribes vassalized along with the Skaelings and Varg. This was my first mistake because the Skaelings are treacherous fucks... Anyway I now send Sigvald who kills Kraka Drak while I send Kholek and try to catherd the norscans to follow him into Kislev... meanwhile apparently Midheim and Nordland decide to land troops via sea in Norsca. Kraka Drak dies easy because they sent their armies to kill the Bearsonglings (RIP) although I avenge my poor Bear Norscans, who suicided their armies into a Kislev death stack. Kholek smashes up a couple armies and takes down Troll Country and the other Oblast. After this things go bad, Midheim/Nordland finish off another tribe I think the Graelings and that pisses me off although it is really weird to see four Empire stacks wandering around Norsca attritioning, but loving poo poo up. This is when the Skaelings who seem to magically recover 3 full doom stacks from their province declare war and break free and they proceed to ignore the other Imperials running around to conquer the other tribes lands because they are in Kislev with me. So now all my allies are dead and I have two hordes of really good units pushing through Kislev which is now finally turning to Chaos. I guess this triggers everyone to freak out at me because the Empire confederates with an oversized Talabecland and next thing I know four stacks of elite imperial troops come up from the south lead by Karl Franz. The bullshit thing is as Chaos you cant move stacks to reinforce each other so Kholek had to try to handle all these on his own and through Cheese I managed to cripple them at the cost of pretty much one of my two armies. This sent me in a death spiral as I needed to sack cities to fund my rebuilding, but the Empire so grossley outnumbered me I couldn't do any of that and so just got worn down until the Empire grinded me into dirt and I died. Overall playing as Chaos in the Campaign blows because you have no allies like they do when they are AI and since you don't have much friendly territory its easy to get your armies worn down through attrition and die because due to the lack of any economy you always have to be sacking, which becomes impossible because EVERYONE is trying to kill you so you fight endless waves of armies and unlike them you don't even get to buddy up for reinforcements because then your warbands start fighting. You don't feel like an unstoppable horde so much as the Rebel Alliance launching hit and run attacks around the fringe of the Empire and when you make your push the death star shows up except instead of being dumb they send all 5000 tie fighters to defend it and you never get close to the exhaust port. /ragequit This was impossible, although the Empire Campaign was alot of fun and people seem to enjoy the Vampire Counts as well... maybe Ill download the Bretonnia mods and just take over the west then backstab the Empire during the Chaos invasion and ensure Frankendom succeeds. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 08:50
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Lightning strike is a great trait for Chaos generals because of proximity attrition.
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Jul 1, 2016 09:18
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Gitro posted:'Get a castellan Engineer/treasurer/new horde on turn 1' is pretty different from 'recruit another army on turn 1 always' though. I've done 3 or so empire starts and never really fought greenskins outside of the one settlement near marienburg so I didn't think about interception. VCs it'd be decent too probably, you'd be able to go north while finishing off castle templehof, and everything you can recruit that early you can just raise anyway. drat, now I want to try that but my internet is being hot garbage and I've been downloading the patch all day. I'll assume that on lower difficulty the greenskin may be a lot more passive (I play mostly on VH/legend) but for me 7 out of 10 times the greenskin invasion begins right around time i take either Helgard or Eilhart, sometimes I take detour before finishing Reikland to sack the orc settlement in the mountains for a quick 2k gold infusion as well as exp and most importantly boosting relations with the nearby dwarfs there (and on high difficulty the dwarf sooner or later often turn on you so anything you can do to stop that helps). Yeah for VC I often split into two armies early on (especialy since manfred start he and vargulf can duo almost an entire army) depending on what troop movements templehof go with. Depending on the faction, the stack my LL is in command off usualy can do perfectly fine with 10-12 units, having second lord take on all new recruits after that until I get access to next tier units which the main army then start to recruit. The turn 1 engineer slot may not 100% pay itself off, but hiring him is a 1k investment you need soon enough either way, and early game upkeep should be low enough, I recently began using a strat that upgrades barracks in Altdorf on turn 1 for faster access to tech and xbowmen until Helmgard can replace it as recruit center, so that's some gold saved there already as well as every settlement upgrade being discounted. Main thing it does is letting my main stack be more offensive since any invasion of newly conquered settlement can be defended with nearby lord and march reinforce. The discounts are just a bonus on top for me, plus if you do go for the orc settlement sack then you will have one turn when ur LL can't recruit(usualy turn 3) when you then fill up 3 units for the second army to start building that up.
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Jul 1, 2016 09:28
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Jack2142 posted:The bullshit thing is as Chaos you cant move stacks to reinforce each other so Kholek had to try to handle all these on his own and through Cheese I managed to cripple them at the cost of pretty much one of my two armies. This sent me in a death spiral as I needed to sack cities to fund my rebuilding, but the Empire so grossley outnumbered me I couldn't do any of that and so just got worn down until the Empire grinded me into dirt and I died. Nothing is stopping you from reinforcing with multiple hordes as chaos, the attrition effect doesn't take effect until after end of the turn, so if you put all hordes togetherfor a fight, then afterwards moving them away from eachother before hitting end turn, they won't take any attrition at all. My tip is to always keep your stacks together early and midgame(sometimes late game too), and just split them up enough to encamp outside of attrition range at end of the turn, alltho sometimes its even worth to take attrition hit to be safe from enemy attacks on their turn, just defend and encamp seperatly later once its safe. And if it comes to the choice having to take attrition, you will loose a lot more men fighting strong enemy solo then the attrition will, not to mentioning the danger of a solo stack getting wiped out.
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Jul 1, 2016 09:35
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Will high levels of lightning strike let you put hordes close enough to reinforce without getting the infighting penalty?
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Jul 1, 2016 11:04
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Ravenfood posted:Will high levels of lightning strike let you put hordes close enough to reinforce without getting the infighting penalty? No, lightning strike really is a one point skill, the infighting range is further then any reinforce range, but really it shouldn't be an issue if you fight on your turn and move away afterwards. Or in case you must defend on AI turn, take the attrition and just heal up the turn after.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:09
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Jack2142 posted:Alright just tried to run a Very Hard Campaign as Chaos and obviously I simply am not skilled enough to pull it off... manged to wipe out the Norsca tribes with Shoggoth and Sigvald and got my awakened tribes vassalized along with the Skaelings and Varg. This was my first mistake because the Skaelings are treacherous fucks... Like what others said, infighting attrition is really minor and shouldn't stop you from reinforcing your hordes. Other stuff I'd say for Chaos is to move faster strategically. You don't really have time to gently caress around letting the Empire consolidate. These days I'd say that you pretty much shouldn't bother trying to clean up Norsca. That stuff will sort itself out one way or another, whoever wins there will war declare on the Empire, and because you're fighting the Empire as well your diplomacy status will naturally drift up to friendly. I don't know how well it works on Very Hard, but at least on Hard, early surgical strikes to Kislev or, if you are ambitious, to Reikland, work pretty drat well. If you focus your attacks on Reikland while the Empire is isolated, you can ensure Franz is very weak, which will put the kibosh on much confederation shenanigans. Fangz fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 11:24
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Yeah I mostly ignored Norsca in my game and Varg and Skaeling both made peace with me not too far in and eventually allied me.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:44
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Groups of Varghulfs are nice. Because they're single-model you can get all four of them actively fighting a single unit at once - that unit will just evaporate. With units with more models trying to use four at once means a lot of dudes would be standing around not fighting, so compactness really helps.
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My Hard Chaos campaign went really well after I awakened both Aesling and Sarl tribes. Between them they blitzed the full coast of Norsca with minimal help from me. Of course they started murdering each other once they ran out of mutual enemies to fight but by that point I was halfway through Kislev. At that point it was just a matter of picking the winning side. Even if you pick wrongly like I did the loser should still be on pretty good terms with you so long as you didn't fight them directly. Early surgical strikes on Reikland does sound like a lot of fun though
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Frankly posted:My Hard Chaos campaign went really well after I awakened both Aesling and Sarl tribes. Between them they blitzed the full coast of Norsca with minimal help from me. If you vassal them instead they would have just combined forces against the rest of the world rather than eachother!
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Jul 1, 2016 12:35
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Man I tried out legendary and the difficulty seemed spot on but every single action has the game save which just bogs down everything. 2s skips left and right.
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Jul 1, 2016 12:44
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dogstile posted:If you vassal them instead they would have just combined forces against the rest of the world rather than eachother! Until they turn on you. Vassals are not reliable.
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Jul 1, 2016 12:52
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Vampire counts really get hosed in autoresolve. It's no wonder the AI vamps always gets stomped because it really undervalues the endurance of the basic units and doesn't seem to get flanking when calculating stuff.
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Jul 1, 2016 13:12
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Any tips for a dwarf legendary campaign? I've been having an interesting time so far, controlling the Silver Road and did that first quest. Gringor, his WAAGH, and a rebellion happened at the same time but I was lucky and he's stupid enough to attack my capital. Since he has a doom diver he can attack it immediately but I'm at a huge advantage because a third of his army is cavalry. So Thorgrim kills him, then after that battle is over he chases the remnant stack and wipes it out. Then he had enough movement to kill the waagh as well, and after that took care of the rebels, all in one turn! I was feeling good at this point, so after recovered sacked the settlement to the south for a sweet 5000 gold. Only problem is Zhufbar has already gotten wiped out and the game crashed before i had to leave for work, do im worried the save is bad; I had outdated mods enabled but figured it would crash when loading the game not reaching some arbitrary point. I've heard a strategy involving turtling in Silver Road most of the game and only start confederating during Chaos invasion. This means far less settlements to defend, and more of my money concentrated on upgrading them.
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Panfilo posted:Any tips for a dwarf legendary campaign? I've been having an interesting time so far, controlling the Silver Road and did that first quest. I haven't played on legendary, but I would think getting Gunbad and making friends with the dwarfs to the north would be good too. Gunbad is just too good of a piggy bank to pass up with the brightstone mine and gold mine.
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Jul 1, 2016 13:36
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Gunbad for the mine and Barak Var for the port and therefore trade access with factions like the Empire. Other expansion optional.
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John Charity Spring posted:Gunbad for the mine and Barak Var for the port and therefore trade access with factions like the Empire. Other expansion optional. I'm currently working on BV on my dwarf 'hard' campaign, but Grimgor keeps confederating orcs and somehow has like 3 armies running around together curbstomping everything even though I completely wiped out his original army like 5 turns ago. Also, how can I tell if my mod is still working? The only mod I am currently using is the 'no public order bonus for AI' mod. In general I don't like mods that make the game easier for me, but I think it hurts the campaign gameplay to have the AI be effective immune to public order effects. It makes some agents useless, rebellions happen less often, and neuters the effects of corruption.
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Jul 1, 2016 14:05
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Deified Data posted:So if I have "enable out of date mods" checked and load a save without crashing, does that mean I'm good to go? Yes, for the most part. You may have mods that are overwriting CA patch changes though. Most mods seem to be made correctly and use custom tables at least though. I'd personally recommend getting the PFM and checking out most mods as you get them for how well/poo poo they are put together, but I understand most people don't care that much so YMMV.
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Jul 1, 2016 14:10
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Does introducing mods halfway through a campaign screw up the save? I'm sick of agents that are incredibly hard to wound or kill.
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4th Horseman posted:Does introducing mods halfway through a campaign screw up the save? I'm sick of agents that are incredibly hard to wound or kill. Mods that don't add new assets but modify existing can be added or removed at will and generally won't cause any problems, the only exception to this AFAIK is when a patch adds an asset and the mod isn't updated to incorporate it. Mods with new units and buildings can be added mid save with no problems, but as soon as you build the unit the save will require the mod to function, since you just added stuff to the game that needs to be there in the files. Mazz fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 14:36
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Is there a mod out there that makes some factions admire Great Power and others resent it? Is such a thing possible?
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When playing as dwarves, is there a better solution to the Grimgor Problem than a dozen cannon focus firing on his face for the entire battle?
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Mazz posted:Mods that don't add new assets but modify existing can be added or removed at will and generally won't cause any problems, the only exception to this AFAIK is when a patch adds an asset and the mod isn't updated to incorporate it. Thanks, going to find something that makes these agents a little less invincible
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Tehan posted:When playing as dwarves, is there a better solution to the Grimgor Problem than a dozen cannon focus firing on his face for the entire battle? Just lay on more AP damage. Bring some Thunderers. Even Miners are useful as chaff.
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4th Horseman posted:Thanks, going to find something that makes these agents a little less invincible Doesn't adding a Banshee or Witch Hunter into your own army as a unit serve as a good defense vs enemy agent shenanigans?
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How are people capturing Mt Gunbad so quickly? I know it's very lucrative because gold mine+Bright stone mine gives you an enormous boost economically. My problem is that it is a province capital with level 2 walls; even if i attack with Thorgrim and a full stack it leaves Silver Road vulnerable because at that point I don't have the income to support two stacks. If I try to take it then I'll get Grimgor making a run for Pillars of Grumgi or Squighorn and have very little to defend against him.
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Panfilo posted:How are people capturing Mt Gunbad so quickly? I know it's very lucrative because gold mine+Bright stone mine gives you an enormous boost economically. I just quickly fortify my home province, swat down Grimgor once usually, and then use the break to dash north and take Gunbad.
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Jul 1, 2016 15:43
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Yeah, don't forget that you can still recruit units from ambush stance; if you set up outside Karak Kadrin with a minor lord and a handful of Warriors/Quarrelers then your capital's garrison will provide the punch you need to overwhelm Grimgor while you complete the Thundering Falls quest and capturing Gunbad. Plus the Gunbad fight is easy as hell if you're willing to cheese it just a little by recruiting some chaff Miners to screen your crossbows. See, the ranged towers in sieges will automatically target the unit that's closest, so send your miners first to soak up that attention. Meanwhile your Quarrelers can outshoot anything on the walls, your miners can knock down gates faster than any battering ram, and Warriors can hold city streets and gateways almost indefinitely. Dwarfs are so good at sieges it's not funny.
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Evernoob posted:Doesn't adding a Banshee or Witch Hunter into your own army as a unit serve as a good defense vs enemy agent shenanigans? They're perpetually loving with my cities, and not least of all I'm getting sick of the pop ups every turn whether they succeeded or failed. Swarms of agents from chaos and vamps and bretonnia.
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Vargheist are insanely good and cool.
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Panfilo posted:How are people capturing Mt Gunbad so quickly? I know it's very lucrative because gold mine+Bright stone mine gives you an enormous boost economically. Playing on normal
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terrorist ambulance posted:Playing on normal Maybe I'll try that lol.
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Panfilo posted:Maybe I'll try that lol. Don't. Think on your strategy and army composition and you can find a way. VH/H is the sweet spot difficulty level
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I haven't played total war before this game, and I can say for sure that I'm glad I swapped from Normal to Hard after my first game. Normal mode gave me some bad habits that I'm still shaking off. Once I get more of a hold on the campaign layer I'll move on to Very Hard. Battles are no problem, but managing cities/tactical army movement is holding me back.
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Deified Data posted:So as Empire does the AI usually break all pacts and chain war declarations on you from all corners of the globe around turn 40 or so? All I did was take out Middenland. who were you, because if you're vamps or orcs NAPs with empire mean almost nothing
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