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I've thought about challenging the miniwargaming guys but I don't feel like making the drive and most of them are insufferable. But maybe it'd be a game with no rules issues?!
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Endman posted:From my experience playing against the new TIE Defenders last night, I reckon their hard counter is probably Miranda with a TLT. Even with that free Evade from x7, the lack of Autothrusters hurts them against turrets. Which is funny, because Defenders with TIE/D are one of the hardest counters to Miranda that yet exist.
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Strobe posted:Which is funny, because Defenders with TIE/D are one of the hardest counters to Miranda that yet exist. How so? I can see the damage being pretty harsh, but you can say that about a lot of things. Best counter to Vessery in a TIE/D with a Tractor beam is Miranda with Dash crew 
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New FAQ is up. https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/7/1/timing-your-attack/ They re-interpreted multi attacks, so there is a pretty huge nerf to TLT/Tactician/FCS. Gonk works exactly as we thought it should.
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Jul 1, 2016 16:53
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R4 Agro nerf: spending a focus to fire ordnance does not give you a target lock anymore, only spending the focus when you are changing dice. Overclocked will probably be used more now.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:11
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It's nice that they finally made a MTG-like timing sequence and set of phases. Also my choice for droids in a scout was OCR4 anyway. (It's better for the mirror) This doesn't change that.
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Triple scout lists just got way less potent. edit: Focus, evade, and target lock tokens cannot be spent for their normal effect more than once during the "Modify Attack Dice" and "Modify Defense Dice" steps. For example, a ship cannot spend 2 evade tokens to add 2 evade results. However, a ship can spend more than 1 of each token on different effects, such as spending 1 focus token as the cost for Calculation and another focus token focus token for its inherent effect  Can't spend 2 evade tokens against a single attack? canyoneer fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 17:22
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alg posted:New FAQ is up. Does Tactician only work once on TLT now? Cant access it at work
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StashAugustine posted:Does Tactician only work once on TLT now? Cant access it at work Yup same with FCS
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Jul 1, 2016 17:33
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Someone in the local group is saying this is coming from "the mouse" because U-Boats were too tough on rebels and the mouse wants rebels to win at Nationals.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:43
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Good Changes. The Deadeye jumps will now need overclocked astro to maintain efficiency, giving more counterplay by limiting manoeuvres.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:44
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Poopy Palpy posted:Someone in the local group is saying this is coming from "the mouse" because U-Boats were too tough on rebels and the mouse wants rebels to win at Nationals. You should do all you can to encourage this man's psychosis.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:46
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I guess this kind of nerfs "Redline" + FCS + Cluster Missiles, too. Guy can't catch a break.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:51
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Poopy Palpy posted:Someone in the local group is saying this is coming from "the mouse" because U-Boats were too tough on rebels and the mouse wants rebels to win at Nationals. Why are so many nerds so far removed from reality
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Poopy Palpy posted:Someone in the local group is saying this is coming from "the mouse" because U-Boats were too tough on rebels and the mouse wants rebels to win at Nationals. Tell them the TLT tactician nerf also serves this end because the mouse does not want unauthorized EU material to prevail.
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Who's the mouse? And why?
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hoiyes posted:Good Changes. The Deadeye jumps will now need overclocked astro to maintain efficiency, giving more counterplay by limiting manoeuvres. I think it's a good fix, it doesn't stop it working entirely just dials the power level down a little bit.
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Disney. Because nerds.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Disney. Because nerds. Oh, lol then. If anything these changes are basically guaranteeing Imperial ascendancy in the short-term. Also goodbye FCS brobots.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:07
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hoiyes posted:Oh, lol then. If anything these changes are basically guaranteeing Imperial ascendancy in the short-term. I think FCS brobots still work, because FCS triggers in Step 8 of the attack order, and then IG88 B's ability triggers in Step 9, letting you perform the attack.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:14
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hoiyes posted:Who's the mouse? And why? Those Mouse Droids from the Deathstar hold a lot of sway over FFG
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Improbable Lobster posted:Those Mouse Droids from the Deathstar hold a lot of sway over FFG They are really cute and had BB-8 not existed, they'd be the go-to RC toy for us fans.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:21
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hoiyes posted:Oh, lol then. If anything these changes are basically guaranteeing Imperial ascendancy in the short-term. IG-88B's effect is an additional attack, and will still get the target lock because the FCS is part of the "after attacking" timing. All "after attacking" or "after defending" effects resolve, and then the second attack happens. This process is reversed for Cluster Missiles and TLTs, where both attacks happen and then "after attacking" or "after defending" effects resolve.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:34
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canyoneer posted:I think FCS brobots still work, because FCS triggers in Step 8 of the attack order, and then IG88 B's ability triggers in Step 9, letting you perform the attack. This is right. Effects that tell you to make a whole new attack (Gunner, Dengar, IG-88B) trigger tactician, FCS, etc just as before. Secondary weapons that perform two attacks were changed to basically function as if they are a single attack that rolls to hit and evade two times. That's not really how it's worded, but it's the closest tldr I can think of.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:44
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The pros of jm5k were generally using OCR4 anyway to clear up points and help on defense.
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Ghost with TLT and FCS and a docked Phantom gets the TLT/FCS general nerf, but the clarification that the post combat turret gets to use both TLT attacks. Probably a net nerf, but not too bad I would guess.
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Panzeh posted:The pros of jm5k were generally using OCR4 anyway to clear up points and help on defense. It's hard to understand why they didn't just remove the EPT from Scouts instead of generating this massive timing chart that ruined other cards too.
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Jul 1, 2016 19:11
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alg posted:It's hard to understand why they didn't just remove the EPT from Scouts instead of generating this massive timing chart that ruined other cards too. Probably because they decided to make the timing chart to solidify the rules and took a whack at Jumpmasters while they were at it.
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Jul 1, 2016 19:14
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Panzeh posted:The pros of jm5k were generally using OCR4 anyway to clear up points and help on defense. Yeah, but now it's required, and a lot of the pros had only 2 torp carriers plus an ace or support/bump ship or something. And the odds of 4 hits with plasma torps with focus are less than 50%. The jumps have to get lucky to drop 2 agility ships with two torpedoes now, rather than just roll average. Might be enough to prevent them from simply strangling every Rebel list they meet by default, which it turn could mean that Imp aces have to deal with rebels again.
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alg posted:It's hard to understand why they didn't just remove the EPT from Scouts instead of generating this massive timing chart that ruined other cards too. Deadeye and R4 actually shouldn't have worked RAW in the rules even before the new FAQ, it's just that everyone was playing it wrong, which became clear when they were producing the chart.
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The Gate posted:Yeah, but now it's required, and a lot of the pros had only 2 torp carriers plus an ace or support/bump ship or something. And the odds of 4 hits with plasma torps with focus are less than 50%. The jumps have to get lucky to drop 2 agility ships with two torpedoes now, rather than just roll average. Might be enough to prevent them from simply strangling every Rebel list they meet by default, which it turn could mean that Imp aces have to deal with rebels again. On plasmas, ocr4 is exactly the same as R4 agro except you get stressed.
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The Gate posted:Yeah, but now it's required, and a lot of the pros had only 2 torp carriers plus an ace or support/bump ship or something. And the odds of 4 hits with plasma torps with focus are less than 50%. The jumps have to get lucky to drop 2 agility ships with two torpedoes now, rather than just roll average. Might be enough to prevent them from simply strangling every Rebel list they meet by default, which it turn could mean that Imp aces have to deal with rebels again. If you're only using 2JM you can just add Recon Spec to R4A.
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alg posted:If you're only using 2JM you can just add Recon Spec to R4A. Yeah I suspect there will still be plenty of this + a cheap bumpmaster.
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Jul 1, 2016 19:36
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Panzeh posted:On plasmas, ocr4 is exactly the same as R4 agro except you get stressed. This is not an insignificant thing. TL is also better because you can roll into crits. 
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Interesting interaction with Whisper + Gunner and ACD vs. Dengar. Dengar has initiative. Whisper attacks Dengar, inside Dengar's arc and whiffs the shot. Step 8 of attack sequence says that Whisper can activate the advanced cloaking device and cloak right away, thus skipping the gunner possibility. Otherwise, step 9 gives Dengar the ability to activate his ability before Whisper's gunner triggers (because Dengar has initiative) At that point, after Dengar has performed his attack against an uncloaked Whisper, Whisper cannot activate Gunner because we're now on Step 9 of Dengar's attack, and gunner's trigger is "after attacking" If Whisper has initiative, here's how it works. Whisper attacks Dengar, inside Dengar's arc and whiffs the shot. Whisper skips step 8 and goes to step 9, resolving Gunner with initiative over Dengar. After the second attack, Whisper can trigger ACD and cloak in step 8, before Dengar counter-attacks in step 9.
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Strobe posted:This is not an insignificant thing. TL is also better because you can roll into crits. It is a little bit better, yeah, but I think the idea is basically, the JM has a pretty good set of greens and it'll be okay. Also in late game situations the defensive capability of OCR4 is not something to be ignored. That being said, I think protons on jumpmasters is a thing of the past. Where before with R4 Agro they went from the 74% of plasmas to 91-92% due to the good stacking of the focus flip and re-rolls nowadays you just take plasmas because you're back to the 74% figure.
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alg posted:Gonk works exactly as we thought it should. And how! Ruthless Freelancer (23) "Gonk" (2) Electronic Baffle (1) Experimental Interface (3) Total: 29
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I am obviously biased a bit thanks to my list composition, but this means that torpedo scouts are actually vulnerable to stress generation, because the green is only in one direction and you can force a turn without actions entirely if they use Overclocked. That's not small.
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Strobe posted:I am obviously biased a bit thanks to my list composition, but this means that torpedo scouts are actually vulnerable to stress generation, because the green is only in one direction and you can force a turn without actions entirely if they use Overclocked. That's not small. Yeah, but they'll still at least get to shoot once if they use OCR4. They don't have to take their stress until they actually get to shoot or know they're going to shoot. It's not as good as R4 agro, but from my experience with the good jumpmaster players, they were leaning toward OCR4 for bid purposes and getting some of the crews anyway.
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Stress Jansen rides again. 
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